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August 03, 2023, 08:46:37 PM
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Friendlies are friendlies, no need to put too much meaning into them, it is not going to mean anything until the season starts, even then the first few weeks do not really matter all that much and should be considered differently. I know that it will take some time for teams to adjust and be a lot better.

Tuchel has managed to do something that will benefit them as long as possible and as well as possible, which means that we are talking about a situation that will be a bit different in the end. This will result with them not being any different on the long run, but it will certainly be an important choice for sure. Just focus on what you can do, and you could bet a lot more carefully if you realize it is friendly games and not important.
Well the pre-season friendly is just a friendly to most the various club fans but to some top coaches it means a lot because it helps them take note of the weak areas of the team and places they might need to work on or sign new players for before the transfer window ends, some coaches use that period  to change and improve new tactics and also take not of the performances of their players and how they'll suit the new tactics in various areas of the squad.
 It is also very important for newly introduced players as well as newly introduced junior team players and those who didn't have much playing time in the previous season, because they'll try to impress the coach with good performances and also fight for the first team spot, well as for Thomas Tuchel he's a good coach and would try his best to improve the team to be better than they were last season, if you notice they almost lost the trophy to Dortmund but were very lucky due to Dortmunds 2-2 draw in the last game of the season, but the new season is by the corner and I believe they'll have a better performance than the previous.
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August 03, 2023, 08:55:39 PM
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Bayern Munich can do well without Mane as well just as they were before him. Mane couldn't even find exactly the chances he would like so far and he did the right thing by leaving. He shouldn't have left Liverpool in the first place as he was doing pretty well there. He just wanted a new adventure which didn't have a good result for him.

After adding Kane to the squad Bayern Munich will be even much more productive to score. I'm saying that considering Kane won't have big issues with adaptation. He has played at Tottenham for years maybe but he is a top level striker. He should be able to maintain his solid performance for bigger teams.

Yes, I agree Bayern Munich can have a good performance without Sadio Mane in the squad and they scored four goals in that game which can be a reason to say they can still score scores with or without Mane, and having a player like Mane can't change anything for this team. In fact, this game showed us Sadio Mane was not an important and effective player in Bayern Munich and that's why they are trying to hire Kane for the next season.

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August 03, 2023, 09:30:05 PM
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Friendlies are friendlies, no need to put too much meaning into them, it is not going to mean anything until the season starts, even then the first few weeks do not really matter all that much and should be considered differently. I know that it will take some time for teams to adjust and be a lot better.

Tuchel has managed to do something that will benefit them as long as possible and as well as possible, which means that we are talking about a situation that will be a bit different in the end. This will result with them not being any different on the long run, but it will certainly be an important choice for sure. Just focus on what you can do, and you could bet a lot more carefully if you realize it is friendly games and not important.

I don't agree and think even in the friendly match between teams we see, still, any teams will try to show better performance and players will try to prove themselves that's why I think even in the friendly games we can understand which team can performance better in the next season and this can make the friendly games important for us. Also since the friendly matches are open to the fans to watch they usually try to show the best performance they can have.

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August 03, 2023, 09:47:18 PM
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Friendlies are friendlies, no need to put too much meaning into them, it is not going to mean anything until the season starts, even then the first few weeks do not really matter all that much and should be considered differently. I know that it will take some time for teams to adjust and be a lot better.

Tuchel has managed to do something that will benefit them as long as possible and as well as possible, which means that we are talking about a situation that will be a bit different in the end. This will result with them not being any different on the long run, but it will certainly be an important choice for sure. Just focus on what you can do, and you could bet a lot more carefully if you realize it is friendly games and not important.

I don't agree and think even in the friendly match between teams we see, still, any teams will try to show better performance and players will try to prove themselves that's why I think even in the friendly games we can understand which team can performance better in the next season and this can make the friendly games important for us. Also since the friendly matches are open to the fans to watch they usually try to show the best performance they can have.


Really no, these friendly matches can't be relied upon. Since this has been a lively discussion now in many threads, it would be nice to have an aggregate overview of the top teams, their friendly matches and whether these matches were of any significance in predicting a team' success at the beginning of the season. I believe it doesn't matter at all. When the coaches substitute 10 players, how is the result of such a game still a good indicator or predictor for the results in the games under real competitive conditions?

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August 03, 2023, 09:51:49 PM
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Kane is a top striker Bayern needs a top striker. Makes a lot of sense to me, it's a great move if that's the case. If I had Tottenham I would sell Kane, £80-£100 for a 30 year old player with one year left on his contract! And I think Bayern makes more sense. After I will immediately choose Ivan Toney or try to tempt Julian Alvarez away from Man City.
Yes, there is no doubt that his performance last season attracted a special charm for Bayern. Moreover, they are sure that it will suit their squad very well. However, Bayern still remains logical by considering several things not to bid beyond what they expected.

Yes indeed, Julian Alvarez is an alternative target for Bayern if they fail to get Harry Kane. This Man City striker actually played quite brilliantly last season, with quite a lot of flying hours too. But I think I've read rumors that he is not interested in joining the Bundesliga. So this is all still on the radar...


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August 03, 2023, 09:54:25 PM
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Bayern Munich can do well without Mane as well just as they were before him. Mane couldn't even find exactly the chances he would like so far and he did the right thing by leaving. He shouldn't have left Liverpool in the first place as he was doing pretty well there. He just wanted a new adventure which didn't have a good result for him.

After adding Kane to the squad Bayern Munich will be even much more productive to score. I'm saying that considering Kane won't have big issues with adaptation. He has played at Tottenham for years maybe but he is a top level striker. He should be able to maintain his solid performance for bigger teams.

Yes, I agree Bayern Munich can have a good performance without Sadio Mane in the squad and they scored four goals in that game which can be a reason to say they can still score scores with or without Mane, and having a player like Mane can't change anything for this team. In fact, this game showed us Sadio Mane was not an important and effective player in Bayern Munich and that's why they are trying to hire Kane for the next season.

With the quality of players at Bayern Munich, I think it very possible for the team to put out a great performance even without the their recently departed Senegalese star Sadio Mane.
However losing Mane isn't the problem of Bayern rather their main problem is finding a world class no. 9 striker that can perfectly play the striking like Robert Lewandowski was doing for the club. Bayern Munich is likely not to win the an European title without a well established striker

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August 03, 2023, 09:58:35 PM
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Bayern Munich can do well without Mane as well just as they were before him. Mane couldn't even find exactly the chances he would like so far and he did the right thing by leaving. He shouldn't have left Liverpool in the first place as he was doing pretty well there. He just wanted a new adventure which didn't have a good result for him.

I don't think Bayern Munich will even miss Mane because even with the little time he has spent there, he doesn't have playing time to display his talent due to the serious injury he underwent last season, and by the way, Bayern Munich is full of talented players even currently. So even if Mane tries to stay, I don't think it will have much chance of playing full matches. So his departure from Bayern is even better. Mane left Liverpool. I don't think it was with his wish, but it happened when he asked the club to increase his wages, but the club was not willing to offer him that.

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After adding Kane to the squad Bayern Munich will be even much more productive to score. I'm saying that considering Kane won't have big issues with adaptation. He has played at Tottenham for years maybe but he is a top level striker. He should be able to maintain his solid performance for bigger teams.

Kane is a fantastic striker, and if Bayern Munich has the chance to sign him, it will undoubtedly increase the worth of their team. I hope Kane joins Bayern Munich very soon so he can accomplish some fantastic things, like winning some prestigious titles. Kane should have been ranked higher all these years if he had played for a team with brilliant players, particularly teams like Manchester City, Real Madrid, and other top teams, because he should have called more goals in his career than what he has scored.

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August 04, 2023, 02:38:45 AM
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Kane is a top striker Bayern needs a top striker. Makes a lot of sense to me, it's a great move if that's the case. If I had Tottenham I would sell Kane, £80-£100 for a 30 year old player with one year left on his contract! And I think Bayern makes more sense. After I will immediately choose Ivan Toney or try to tempt Julian Alvarez away from Man City.
Robert Lewandowski's position will be brimmed by Harry Kane, who is a sufficient replacement. The Polish international leaves a large void that Bayern Munich has yet to fill. The Bavarians are going through some difficult times, but they also have their sights set on prospective targets coming season. Thomas Tuchel is already working on A backup plan because the Harry Kane transfer scenario is causing them a great deal difficulty. They have no choice but to look for a backup plan. Julian Alvarez from Manchester would have been a fantastic substitute because he is both young and experienced, combining striking characteristics with the former attacker. However, the current World Cup, EPL, and UEFA Champions League winner will not sanction any bids from the Bundesliga at this point in time, as he is focused on securing a regular game time spot under Pep Guardiola.


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It can be said that this match was not that serious but what is clear is that both teams wanted to try new things before the competition started and Dortmund was actually quite good even though it had to end in a draw. Dortmund will still try to adapt a new strategy after next season without Bellingham being strengthened in midfield and they will definitely try to apply the new midfielder they brought in this summer to be able to produce comparable results. Besides that, I don't think Dortmund has any other problems because they always get good results in a number of games this pre-season and their last game will be against Ajax to close the pre-season.
Dortmund are a good side who specialize on scouting young talents, the problem I have with them is that they are very business oriented and sell these players more often than not. I doubt losing Jude Bellingham will be much of a problem for them because I thought the same when they sold Haaland and it turned out that they challenged Bayern Munich for the title last season. The transfer window is still open and with still time to try and find a good replacement in that position. They are already doing well in the preseason games which is a good sign.

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August 04, 2023, 04:51:14 AM
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Kane is a top striker Bayern needs a top striker. Makes a lot of sense to me, it's a great move if that's the case. If I had Tottenham I would sell Kane, £80-£100 for a 30 year old player with one year left on his contract! And I think Bayern makes more sense. After I will immediately choose Ivan Toney or try to tempt Julian Alvarez away from Man City. Offer Man City £60 to £70 and offer Alvarez a guaranteed starting place in the lineup. I think any player would do it, because eventually all players get tired of sitting on the bench especially when they are young. As long as Haaland is around, Alvarez will never be an all-out starter.
A few days ago it was reported that Bayern Munich officials went to London to discuss the transfer of Harry Kane and were ready to offer a higher price than the previous offer, but until today there has been no news regarding the certainty that Harry Kane will become a striker at Bayern Munich.
It will be a wasted wait if there is no agreement on a price and Bayern Munich will suffer quite a bit from Tottenham's attitude because they have already wasted enough time and actually finding a replacement for Harry Kane is easy for Bayern Munich because they have the funds for it but of course, they must be very careful with alternatives to Harry Kane if the player does not go to Bayern Munich.
Julian Alvares could be a good alternative to Kane especially since he is not often the first choice at Manchester City but the rumor that he is not interested in the Bundesliga is quite strange because the Bundesliga especially if playing for Bayern Munich will give him the opportunity to play more and also still be able to get a title.
It looks like Bayern Munich should be able to find other alternatives that are just as good, Osimhen might be interested, especially since he was also linked with Bayern Munich a few months ago.

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It can be said that this match was not that serious but what is clear is that both teams wanted to try new things before the competition started and Dortmund was actually quite good even though it had to end in a draw. Dortmund will still try to adapt a new strategy after next season without Bellingham being strengthened in midfield and they will definitely try to apply the new midfielder they brought in this summer to be able to produce comparable results. Besides that, I don't think Dortmund has any other problems because they always get good results in a number of games this pre-season and their last game will be against Ajax to close the pre-season.
Dortmund are a good side who specialize on scouting young talents, the problem I have with them is that they are very business oriented and sell these players more often than not. I doubt losing Jude Bellingham will be much of a problem for them because I thought the same when they sold Haaland and it turned out that they challenged Bayern Munich for the title last season. The transfer window is still open and with still time to try and find a good replacement in that position. They are already doing well in the preseason games which is a good sign.

Dortmund always wants to earn money by selling their best players, look they are not interested to win titles anymore. If they want to win title their best opportunity was came last season because you know last season Bayern totally underperformed, their performance was totally erratic. No way I want to say Dortmund is the strongest team and their performance is higher level, but their performance is decent enough. You can see last season they managed to score around 71 points, where earlier 21-22 season they managed to score 69 points.

Dortmund's main goal is to sell the best player in their squad to get big money. He previously sold Haaland. This season they sold to Bellingham. And next season they will try to cash in by selling Haller. And this is why it is unlikely that this team will compete in the Bundesliga.

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Dortmund wants to make money by selling players. They are not interested in winning the title. Dortmund had a chance to win the title last season because of Bayern Munich's underperformance. Bayern Munich's performance was erratic. But I would not say that Dortmund's performance was very good. Last season they scored 71 points. Earlier in the 2021-22 season, Dortmund managed to score 69 points.
Two points sound like a big difference but it came only by one-shot of Musiala few minutes before a final whistle of the last match in the past season for Bayern Munich. Dortmund had chance to control their leading position and take the trophy but they failed to win their last match and Musiala had an excellent distant shot to nail three points for Bayern Munich.

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Dortmund's main goal is to sell the best player in their squad to get big money. He previously sold Haaland. This season they sold to Bellingham. And next season they will try to cash in by selling Haller. And this is why it is unlikely that this team will compete in the Bundesliga.
They are good with their business deals on transfer market in selling players and buying youth players. However, their success in finance by buying youth players and selling them a few seasons later with expensive prices are contributed by many people behind the scene. They would have not discovered those youth talented players if they had not have talented, clever and productive scout team.

They are very important contributors for Dortmund success in the last twenty years and the future of Dortmund belongs to those people in scout team. Without them, Dortmund will not have enough information to do their head hunting on youth players. Haller is not a player like Sancho, Haaland or Bellingham, he is at lower level than those players who all were sold by Dortmund in the last three seasons.

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August 04, 2023, 05:20:25 AM
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Bayern Munich can do well without Mane as well just as they were before him. Mane couldn't even find exactly the chances he would like so far and he did the right thing by leaving. He shouldn't have left Liverpool in the first place as he was doing pretty well there. He just wanted a new adventure which didn't have a good result for him.

After adding Kane to the squad Bayern Munich will be even much more productive to score. I'm saying that considering Kane won't have big issues with adaptation. He has played at Tottenham for years maybe but he is a top level striker. He should be able to maintain his solid performance for bigger teams.

Yes, I agree Bayern Munich can have a good performance without Sadio Mane in the squad and they scored four goals in that game which can be a reason to say they can still score scores with or without Mane, and having a player like Mane can't change anything for this team. In fact, this game showed us Sadio Mane was not an important and effective player in Bayern Munich and that's why they are trying to hire Kane for the next season.

Sadio Mané would have been a key player for Bayern Munich if Bayern Munich could have used Sadio Mané properly last season and if he could have played the full season for the team. Sadio Mané has been sidelined for a long time due to injury problems since the beginning of last season. His career at Bayan Munich was short-lived as Bayan Munich did not give him a chance after recovering from injury, which meant that he did not get a chance to play at his best for Bayan Munich. Bayern Munich should have kept Sadio Mané for one more season. If the star could have been kept for one more season, he would certainly have done well for Bayern Munich.

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August 04, 2023, 05:40:39 AM
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Dortmund are a team that are very good at scouting big talents and helping them improve their skills by bringing them for a cheap price. Some time later we mostly see those players being signed by top teams and Dortmund make a lot of profit in those deals. Maybe Dortmund are even the best in the Bundesliga about this topic.

I don't believe they are prioritizing to become the champions in this league. Of course like everyone else they would also like to win the title. However it would be like their second biggest target. The first one is the thing I have already talked about which is the main vision of the team at the same time.

Would this vision change and they start to become more competitive? Maybe in the future but there is a need for a big change to do that starting with having a new owner.
I am not sure whether you closely followed the league last season, but do you know what was going on when they failed to win the title? I have barely seen a team and a club suffer more than that. Do you think they would have suffered so much if they didn't care about the title or if it was only second priority to them?

What is the vision of a team like Dortmund when it is not to win the Bundesliga title? This is their first target every single season. Otherwise why play the league in the first place? Last season it was tough because the chance was so big and they themselves were to blame to not win it. There is no change needed in their vision. They want to win all competitions they play. What would a new owner do differently? They are publicly listed by the way.
I am following Bundesliga for decades and I have feeling that Borussia Dortmund never been had any serious try for the title as their role model is just buying newly players and after having some good skills and experience sell them on high price because with these things are going good in finances, and they are having enough funds which are covering this all for them here in Bundesliga.
 
In last season, first time I was feeling they can go through for the title, and we will have Bayern Munich without any trophy but in last game they have done poor performance and settled again at the second spot which is surely heartbreaking for the fans and followers as well but this time things looking not good as well because they have tough competition for the top four spots, and they have been giving their best if they want to stay here again.
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August 04, 2023, 05:48:18 AM
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When Tuchel joined Bayern Munich he never had enough time to build the team and show his true performance, also many people stated to blame Tuchel because he lost the champions league in the next season they hired Tuchel mostly because of the champions league while we can't complain because Tuchel didn't have enough time.
But in the next season, Bayern Munich can buy the players he needs and he also got the time to rebuild the team for the next season, I think if everything goes well we can see Bayern Munich winning the Bundesliga title easier compared to the previous season.
Thomas Tuchel doing good work in short time and right now Bayern Munich is surely having good performance with just missing aggressive striker which is taking time with most chances we will have good news about this before start of the next season and if this all happens as requirement then surely things could be into their favor and most chances they could be team to watch in Champions League as well.
 
Currently, there all players are doing good job, and they are surely feeling better than last season which was surely miserable now in coming season their main target is Champions League with Bundesliga is still easy title game for them because in this league we have no good side which can give them good fight for the title race.

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August 04, 2023, 06:00:43 AM
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Bayern Munich can do well without Mane as well just as they were before him. Mane couldn't even find exactly the chances he would like so far and he did the right thing by leaving. He shouldn't have left Liverpool in the first place as he was doing pretty well there. He just wanted a new adventure which didn't have a good result for him.
After adding Kane to the squad Bayern Munich will be even much more productive to score. I'm saying that considering Kane won't have big issues with adaptation. He has played at Tottenham for years maybe but he is a top level striker. He should be able to maintain his solid performance for bigger teams.
Yes, I agree Bayern Munich can have a good performance without Sadio Mane in the squad and they scored four goals in that game which can be a reason to say they can still score scores with or without Mane, and having a player like Mane can't change anything for this team. In fact, this game showed us Sadio Mane was not an important and effective player in Bayern Munich and that's why they are trying to hire Kane for the next season.
Sadio Mané would have been a key player for Bayern Munich if Bayern Munich could have used Sadio Mané properly last season and if he could have played the full season for the team. Sadio Mané has been sidelined for a long time due to injury problems since the beginning of last season. His career at Bayan Munich was short-lived as Bayan Munich did not give him a chance after recovering from injury, which meant that he did not get a chance to play at his best for Bayan Munich. Bayern Munich should have kept Sadio Mané for one more season. If the star could have been kept for one more season, he would certainly have done well for Bayern Munich.

You are right. Bayern Munich could not use Sadio Mane properly. Sadio Mane was added to the Bayern Munich squad as a replacement for Lewandowski. Lewandowski was a regular scorer for Bayern Munich. But Sadio Mane was never a scorer. Bayern Munich management made mistakes in player selection. At the same time, they cannot use Sadio mane properly. This is why we saw Bayern Munich's erratic performance last season. However, I am happy to see Sadio Mane leave Bayern Munich. Because it involved losses for both Sadio Mane and Bayern Munich. But I would have been happy if Mane stayed with a La Liga club instead of going to a Saudi club. Because Sadio Mane is only 31 years old.

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August 04, 2023, 06:33:31 AM
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Bayern Munich's performance last season in the Bundesliga was fairly good, but I even considered it a very ordinary performance even though Bayern Munich competed fiercely with Dortmund until the end of the season. Now Bayern Munich's task is only to recruit the best players so that Bayern Munich can be better in other leagues such as the UCL because in the Bundesliga it will still be easier for Bayern Munich to maintain its dominance as usual.
So far only three players have been bring to the Allianz Arena, two of whom were buy from clubs in the Bundeliga, namely Konrad Laimer and Raphael Guerreiro, while the rest Min-jae Kim is bring from Napoli for a fee of € 50. million. The three players play for the midfield and defender positions, Tuchel has not succeeded in bringing in a new striker after Sadio Mane officially left the Club, there have been several strikers linked with Bayern but so far nothing has realize
Arrival of these three players are good, but their main target is still missing with Harry Kane is going to take more time than expectations and Vlahović is now also linked with Chelsea which is also not good development but good thing happening as their search is still going on for the suitable player which can give them good aggressive approach for the big games specially in Champions League because they have issue in last season, and now it's time to fix this and have better results as well.

Sadio Mané is already known in Saudi League which is good sing for the both parties but here now their concern is going more deep because currently in market we have no suitable candidate which can give them required performance, hopefully things could be much better before start of the next season.

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August 04, 2023, 06:37:23 AM
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Dortmund are a good side who specialize on scouting young talents, the problem I have with them is that they are very business oriented and sell these players more often than not. I doubt losing Jude Bellingham will be much of a problem for them because I thought the same when they sold Haaland and it turned out that they challenged Bayern Munich for the title last season. The transfer window is still open and with still time to try and find a good replacement in that position. They are already doing well in the preseason games which is a good sign.

Bellingham and Haaland were on the Dortmund team, but they still couldn't win the Bundesliga, proving that having good players isn't always the solution. The fundamental problem was in the consistency of the club.
Dortmund always lacks of consistent once it comes to the end of season. Many people realized that if dortmund shall solve this problem as soon as possible before it's too late.
It's hard to accept the truth but i was saying based on what i have seen before. Inconsistency in the last game prevented Dortmund from winning the bundesliga last season, despite their strong performance throughout the season.

Dortmund has been slowly rebuild its squad again. It has proven dortmund was able winning the match against manchester united and draw against chelsea. Dortmund just need to build a chemistry right now.

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August 04, 2023, 07:06:10 AM
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It can be said that this match was not that serious but what is clear is that both teams wanted to try new things before the competition started and Dortmund was actually quite good even though it had to end in a draw. Dortmund will still try to adapt a new strategy after next season without Bellingham being strengthened in midfield and they will definitely try to apply the new midfielder they brought in this summer to be able to produce comparable results. Besides that, I don't think Dortmund has any other problems because they always get good results in a number of games this pre-season and their last game will be against Ajax to close the pre-season.
Dortmund are a good side who specialize on scouting young talents, the problem I have with them is that they are very business oriented and sell these players more often than not. I doubt losing Jude Bellingham will be much of a problem for them because I thought the same when they sold Haaland and it turned out that they challenged Bayern Munich for the title last season. The transfer window is still open and with still time to try and find a good replacement in that position. They are already doing well in the preseason games which is a good sign.
indeed it is Dortmund goal to find young talent to build new talent with more quality and then sell at a higher price to make a profit and for me when Dortmund let Bellingham go they will not feel it will be something bad because this is their business. I dont doubt anything about Dortmund but in reality they do not really own this business and last seasons game lost Haaland everything was fine to be able to compete until the end of the season even though they failed and this failure is not something bad for him because the initial goal is to develop young talent and the title would only be secondary in his dreams.
but I dont know whether I said this is true or not but Im just saying what really happened. if Dortmund really have a goal of getting a title in the bundesliga or other competitions I dont think they will sell their best players like Haaland and Bellingham.

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August 04, 2023, 07:14:10 AM
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It can be said that this match was not that serious but what is clear is that both teams wanted to try new things before the competition started and Dortmund was actually quite good even though it had to end in a draw. Dortmund will still try to adapt a new strategy after next season without Bellingham being strengthened in midfield and they will definitely try to apply the new midfielder they brought in this summer to be able to produce comparable results. Besides that, I don't think Dortmund has any other problems because they always get good results in a number of games this pre-season and their last game will be against Ajax to close the pre-season.
Dortmund are a good side who specialize on scouting young talents, the problem I have with them is that they are very business oriented and sell these players more often than not. I doubt losing Jude Bellingham will be much of a problem for them because I thought the same when they sold Haaland and it turned out that they challenged Bayern Munich for the title last season. The transfer window is still open and with still time to try and find a good replacement in that position. They are already doing well in the preseason games which is a good sign.
I think Dortmund will continue to do this business and that is indeed their main goal in developing every young talent they have. I thought, is it possible that players like Haaland and Bellingham will stay if there is an offer from their dream team? most likely they will leave without coercion because it is also their goal to be able to win more titles with certainty.

But if they stay in Dortmund, of course what they want may not be achieved because Bayern Munich always dominates the Bundesliga. I think Dortmund have done a good job of always developing the talent of young players and future star players. Now their main problem is not being able to win any titles and maybe as long as the club is not in bad finances that is enough for them to prove very great without any problems that will cost them one day.
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