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December 12, 2017, 06:15:47 PM
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Prrrrft is just salty he got banned from the slack for concern trolling. This is literally all he has ever done in the expanse slack. Atleast a few times a week he would do this. Ask anyone from the EXP chat.

Check it.  I specifically remember when Chris was talking about doing a charity event for Borderless Charity to give back to the homeless  center, or maybe it was a woman's center.  Anyhow, Prfft went on for about 3 hours saying that what we were doing was wrong.

Who the hell bashes on a charity???

Now you're just making stuff up, post a screenshot. For the record i always thought the charity was a nice thing and if i did anything to attack it i apologize.

Why are you even trying to discredit me anyway. I haven't said anything that isn't either true or my honest opinion and now i'm being accused of 'concern trolling' and attacking a charity?

That's low man, really low. If anything is toxic in the community it's this right here.


I'm not making stuff up.  Maybe you forgot the scenario, but the definition of being toxic is exactly why you were banned.

We get suggestions and open ideas all the time.  They are very much welcome.  

As i said, show me exactly how this happened. I'm not a person to bash a charity and again if i said anything to undermine the charity i apologize. Whatever way my comments came across i can assure you i didn't mean to badmouth the charity.

You think you're open to ideas but in reality you're not, i saw it on the slack all the time. Someone says something and team member will say 'great feedback, we're going to do that!'. And then nothing happens with it. Then if people start to ask further questions you get more and more annoyed.
Or in that case, maybe you are open to ideas, but you don't process them, and then get annoyed when people are still asking for it.

Another thing that often happens is someone asks you a question, you give a partial answer which doesn't really answer the question, they keep asking and the team gets annoyed. As a result the conversation gets more bitter with each response. The person asking the question doesn't feel understood and the team members feel attacked (somehow).

Now i'm the kind of person who will not let something like that go and i'll keep bringing it up until something actually happens or until i get an actual answer, and that's how i frustrated you. I never meant to do or say anything bad or particularly critical but the team's constant avoiding reaction steered the conversation that way.

I'm part of many communities and nowhere do i have a problem like this, most are very friendly and positive. There's something wrong with the way you handle certain community members - if you handle it well a situation like this can at all times be avoided. You can say it's my responsibility to keep the peace but it really isn't, its yours because it's mainly in your interest.

I mean, it isn't just me. I've seen team members be horrible to other members on the slack too. It's always the people who ask sensitive questions though. You have to find a way to deal with that. As a dev team you can't allow yourself to feel attacked that easily.

Maybe you should take a look at how other dev teams deal with community feedback/questions/concerns.

Obey chat rules, and all will go well.  Otherwise, ya get banned.  Thanks for the apology, but that still has a long way to come from all the other toxicity.  It's not about asking sensitive question.  The problem was that we would answer your question several times, but you would keep going on like we would ignore you.  Maybe it wasn't the answer you wanted to hear or was looking for, but the fact remains we answered it accordingly.

A lot of communities face similar problems, from shilling of other token projects to fud.  No crypto project is the perfect utopia when it comes to the overall community.  Even bitcoin has its problems.

An example is that I was banned from the ETH discord for posting information in thread where moderators specifically instructed me to do so.  One guy, who wasn't even supposed to have admin access, banned me because he didn't agree with the news of the article.  This was just news, no shill or fud.   

I'm not trying to patch things up with you or get back into the slack, i could make a new account but i have no interest in following the project any further. I apologized for that specific instance because if anything of the sort happened i take responsibility for it, and i'm not going to let my account get slandered like that.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, if i kept asking it's because you didn't answer my question sufficiently. The team has a long-standing pattern of answering questions without actually saying anything, or just trying to discredit whatever the source was.

I've seen it happen to other people as well, for example the guy who was asking about the Tokenlab price bonuses for larger investments. He didn't mean anything bad, just wanted your point of view and the conversation turned incredibly toxic.
In like 3 sentences the conversation turned to slandering Vitalik Buterin, because he said something like ICO's with bonuses don't understand how it works, instead of answering the question. What in the actual hell. It wasn't the guy asking the question who made that toxic, it was the team's reaction.

It's such a cop-out answer to say "there can be no utopia". It's a way of saying everything you do is as possible and whatever bad stuff happens is not your fault, it's again very fitting for the attitude of the team. There's always something to improve.

first of all, we answer all the questions.  this isnt some shady scam project.  sure, EXP faced a lot of heat after ETH messed up their DAO and many considered EXP would soon follow, but it did not.  The DAO is finished and moving towards beta testing next year.

Next, VB made comments on his twitter account about ICOs being wrong about offering tiered bonuses.  You asked why, and we provided an answer.  This answer, word-for-word, because we decided to.  That was the answer.  However, because you did not agree with that answer, you, and only you, kept going on and on about why should not be doing that.  My comments about anything VB says should not be credible since this is a guy that supports CP.

There were many back and forth situations going like this each every time we did an update, posted a video, distributed the newsletters.

It's situations like this, no I should say, exactly like this, is how you were trying to turn the community against us.  A few others in that conversation understood what was happened, but as soon as the question was answered, that was the end of it.  Only you kept pressuring us, kinda like you are now.

Take it however you will.  I've been in crypto since 2013.  Have seen everything from straight up legit projects to 100% scams.  There is no perfect community.  Why?  Because different folks have different strokes.  I like something you may now, and visa versa.

So let me ask you, what are your motives now?  Doesn't seem like much has changed.
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December 12, 2017, 06:28:41 PM
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i do not normally step into these debates, but was there when the conversation occurred, this prrrrft guy would not stop taunting the expanse team. 




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December 12, 2017, 07:04:26 PM
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there will always be people which are going to undermine the other, EXPanse Community is strong and isnt going anywhere, we are at the
Pinnacle of Change and we will see EXPanse rising and moving ahead.
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Prrrrft is just salty he got banned from the slack for concern trolling. This is literally all he has ever done in the expanse slack. Atleast a few times a week he would do this. Ask anyone from the EXP chat.

Check it.  I specifically remember when Chris was talking about doing a charity event for Borderless Charity to give back to the homeless  center, or maybe it was a woman's center.  Anyhow, Prfft went on for about 3 hours saying that what we were doing was wrong.

Who the hell bashes on a charity???

Now you're just making stuff up, post a screenshot. For the record i always thought the charity was a nice thing and if i did anything to attack it i apologize.

Why are you even trying to discredit me anyway. I haven't said anything that isn't either true or my honest opinion and now i'm being accused of 'concern trolling' and attacking a charity?

That's low man, really low. If anything is toxic in the community it's this right here.


I'm not making stuff up.  Maybe you forgot the scenario, but the definition of being toxic is exactly why you were banned.

We get suggestions and open ideas all the time.  They are very much welcome.  

As i said, show me exactly how this happened. I'm not a person to bash a charity and again if i said anything to undermine the charity i apologize. Whatever way my comments came across i can assure you i didn't mean to badmouth the charity.

You think you're open to ideas but in reality you're not, i saw it on the slack all the time. Someone says something and team member will say 'great feedback, we're going to do that!'. And then nothing happens with it. Then if people start to ask further questions you get more and more annoyed.
Or in that case, maybe you are open to ideas, but you don't process them, and then get annoyed when people are still asking for it.

Another thing that often happens is someone asks you a question, you give a partial answer which doesn't really answer the question, they keep asking and the team gets annoyed. As a result the conversation gets more bitter with each response. The person asking the question doesn't feel understood and the team members feel attacked (somehow).

Now i'm the kind of person who will not let something like that go and i'll keep bringing it up until something actually happens or until i get an actual answer, and that's how i frustrated you. I never meant to do or say anything bad or particularly critical but the team's constant avoiding reaction steered the conversation that way.

I'm part of many communities and nowhere do i have a problem like this, most are very friendly and positive. There's something wrong with the way you handle certain community members - if you handle it well a situation like this can at all times be avoided. You can say it's my responsibility to keep the peace but it really isn't, its yours because it's mainly in your interest.

I mean, it isn't just me. I've seen team members be horrible to other members on the slack too. It's always the people who ask sensitive questions though. You have to find a way to deal with that. As a dev team you can't allow yourself to feel attacked that easily.

Maybe you should take a look at how other dev teams deal with community feedback/questions/concerns.

Obey chat rules, and all will go well.  Otherwise, ya get banned.  Thanks for the apology, but that still has a long way to come from all the other toxicity.  It's not about asking sensitive question.  The problem was that we would answer your question several times, but you would keep going on like we would ignore you.  Maybe it wasn't the answer you wanted to hear or was looking for, but the fact remains we answered it accordingly.

A lot of communities face similar problems, from shilling of other token projects to fud.  No crypto project is the perfect utopia when it comes to the overall community.  Even bitcoin has its problems.

An example is that I was banned from the ETH discord for posting information in thread where moderators specifically instructed me to do so.  One guy, who wasn't even supposed to have admin access, banned me because he didn't agree with the news of the article.  This was just news, no shill or fud.   

I'm not trying to patch things up with you or get back into the slack, i could make a new account but i have no interest in following the project any further. I apologized for that specific instance because if anything of the sort happened i take responsibility for it, and i'm not going to let my account get slandered like that.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, if i kept asking it's because you didn't answer my question sufficiently. The team has a long-standing pattern of answering questions without actually saying anything, or just trying to discredit whatever the source was.

I've seen it happen to other people as well, for example the guy who was asking about the Tokenlab price bonuses for larger investments. He didn't mean anything bad, just wanted your point of view and the conversation turned incredibly toxic.
In like 3 sentences the conversation turned to slandering Vitalik Buterin, because he said something like ICO's with bonuses don't understand how it works, instead of answering the question. What in the actual hell. It wasn't the guy asking the question who made that toxic, it was the team's reaction.

It's such a cop-out answer to say "there can be no utopia". It's a way of saying everything you do is as possible and whatever bad stuff happens is not your fault, it's again very fitting for the attitude of the team. There's always something to improve.

first of all, we answer all the questions.  this isnt some shady scam project.  sure, EXP faced a lot of heat after ETH messed up their DAO and many considered EXP would soon follow, but it did not.  The DAO is finished and moving towards beta testing next year.

Next, VB made comments on his twitter account about ICOs being wrong about offering tiered bonuses.  You asked why, and we provided an answer.  This answer, word-for-word, because we decided to.  That was the answer.  However, because you did not agree with that answer, you, and only you, kept going on and on about why should not be doing that.  My comments about anything VB says should not be credible since this is a guy that supports CP.

There were many back and forth situations going like this each every time we did an update, posted a video, distributed the newsletters.

It's situations like this, no I should say, exactly like this, is how you were trying to turn the community against us.  A few others in that conversation understood what was happened, but as soon as the question was answered, that was the end of it.  Only you kept pressuring us, kinda like you are now.

Take it however you will.  I've been in crypto since 2013.  Have seen everything from straight up legit projects to 100% scams.  There is no perfect community.  Why?  Because different folks have different strokes.  I like something you may now, and visa versa.

So let me ask you, what are your motives now?  Doesn't seem like much has changed.


I didn't ask anything regarding the tiered ICO, and i didn't participate in the conversation at all. I just read it the other day and reminded it.

Show me a screenshot of me saying even a single word on that topic, it doesn't exist. Probably a lot of other things you think i did also didn't happen.

I've been in crypto since early 2014 and i've also seen everything, and this project disappointed me.

As for my motives, i explained them already. I came here to vent my frustration because it was the only place left to do so, and because you responded with personal attacks (and still are), i keep coming back do defend myself.

I was already done with this 3 posts ago so do us both a favor and stop saying i did stuff i didn't do so we can end this.
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December 12, 2017, 08:52:27 PM
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Prrrrft is just salty he got banned from the slack for concern trolling. This is literally all he has ever done in the expanse slack. Atleast a few times a week he would do this. Ask anyone from the EXP chat.

Check it.  I specifically remember when Chris was talking about doing a charity event for Borderless Charity to give back to the homeless  center, or maybe it was a woman's center.  Anyhow, Prfft went on for about 3 hours saying that what we were doing was wrong.

Who the hell bashes on a charity???

Now you're just making stuff up, post a screenshot. For the record i always thought the charity was a nice thing and if i did anything to attack it i apologize.

Why are you even trying to discredit me anyway. I haven't said anything that isn't either true or my honest opinion and now i'm being accused of 'concern trolling' and attacking a charity?

That's low man, really low. If anything is toxic in the community it's this right here.


I'm not making stuff up.  Maybe you forgot the scenario, but the definition of being toxic is exactly why you were banned.

We get suggestions and open ideas all the time.  They are very much welcome.  

As i said, show me exactly how this happened. I'm not a person to bash a charity and again if i said anything to undermine the charity i apologize. Whatever way my comments came across i can assure you i didn't mean to badmouth the charity.

You think you're open to ideas but in reality you're not, i saw it on the slack all the time. Someone says something and team member will say 'great feedback, we're going to do that!'. And then nothing happens with it. Then if people start to ask further questions you get more and more annoyed.
Or in that case, maybe you are open to ideas, but you don't process them, and then get annoyed when people are still asking for it.

Another thing that often happens is someone asks you a question, you give a partial answer which doesn't really answer the question, they keep asking and the team gets annoyed. As a result the conversation gets more bitter with each response. The person asking the question doesn't feel understood and the team members feel attacked (somehow).

Now i'm the kind of person who will not let something like that go and i'll keep bringing it up until something actually happens or until i get an actual answer, and that's how i frustrated you. I never meant to do or say anything bad or particularly critical but the team's constant avoiding reaction steered the conversation that way.

I'm part of many communities and nowhere do i have a problem like this, most are very friendly and positive. There's something wrong with the way you handle certain community members - if you handle it well a situation like this can at all times be avoided. You can say it's my responsibility to keep the peace but it really isn't, its yours because it's mainly in your interest.

I mean, it isn't just me. I've seen team members be horrible to other members on the slack too. It's always the people who ask sensitive questions though. You have to find a way to deal with that. As a dev team you can't allow yourself to feel attacked that easily.

Maybe you should take a look at how other dev teams deal with community feedback/questions/concerns.

Obey chat rules, and all will go well.  Otherwise, ya get banned.  Thanks for the apology, but that still has a long way to come from all the other toxicity.  It's not about asking sensitive question.  The problem was that we would answer your question several times, but you would keep going on like we would ignore you.  Maybe it wasn't the answer you wanted to hear or was looking for, but the fact remains we answered it accordingly.

A lot of communities face similar problems, from shilling of other token projects to fud.  No crypto project is the perfect utopia when it comes to the overall community.  Even bitcoin has its problems.

An example is that I was banned from the ETH discord for posting information in thread where moderators specifically instructed me to do so.  One guy, who wasn't even supposed to have admin access, banned me because he didn't agree with the news of the article.  This was just news, no shill or fud.   

I'm not trying to patch things up with you or get back into the slack, i could make a new account but i have no interest in following the project any further. I apologized for that specific instance because if anything of the sort happened i take responsibility for it, and i'm not going to let my account get slandered like that.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, if i kept asking it's because you didn't answer my question sufficiently. The team has a long-standing pattern of answering questions without actually saying anything, or just trying to discredit whatever the source was.

I've seen it happen to other people as well, for example the guy who was asking about the Tokenlab price bonuses for larger investments. He didn't mean anything bad, just wanted your point of view and the conversation turned incredibly toxic.
In like 3 sentences the conversation turned to slandering Vitalik Buterin, because he said something like ICO's with bonuses don't understand how it works, instead of answering the question. What in the actual hell. It wasn't the guy asking the question who made that toxic, it was the team's reaction.

It's such a cop-out answer to say "there can be no utopia". It's a way of saying everything you do is as possible and whatever bad stuff happens is not your fault, it's again very fitting for the attitude of the team. There's always something to improve.

first of all, we answer all the questions.  this isnt some shady scam project.  sure, EXP faced a lot of heat after ETH messed up their DAO and many considered EXP would soon follow, but it did not.  The DAO is finished and moving towards beta testing next year.

Next, VB made comments on his twitter account about ICOs being wrong about offering tiered bonuses.  You asked why, and we provided an answer.  This answer, word-for-word, because we decided to.  That was the answer.  However, because you did not agree with that answer, you, and only you, kept going on and on about why should not be doing that.  My comments about anything VB says should not be credible since this is a guy that supports CP.

There were many back and forth situations going like this each every time we did an update, posted a video, distributed the newsletters.

It's situations like this, no I should say, exactly like this, is how you were trying to turn the community against us.  A few others in that conversation understood what was happened, but as soon as the question was answered, that was the end of it.  Only you kept pressuring us, kinda like you are now.

Take it however you will.  I've been in crypto since 2013.  Have seen everything from straight up legit projects to 100% scams.  There is no perfect community.  Why?  Because different folks have different strokes.  I like something you may now, and visa versa.

So let me ask you, what are your motives now?  Doesn't seem like much has changed.


I didn't ask anything regarding the tiered ICO, and i didn't participate in the conversation at all. I just read it the other day and reminded it.

Show me a screenshot of me saying even a single word on that topic, it doesn't exist. Probably a lot of other things you think i did also didn't happen.

I've been in crypto since early 2014 and i've also seen everything, and this project disappointed me.

As for my motives, i explained them already. I came here to vent my frustration because it was the only place left to do so, and because you responded with personal attacks (and still are), i keep coming back do defend myself.

I was already done with this 3 posts ago so do us both a favor and stop saying i did stuff i didn't do so we can end this.

We stopped paying for slack a long time ago, because they cannot increase security to prevent spam.  After reaching out to their support, ironically, they told us to go to Discord.

Since Slack is not being purchased anymore, old messages are not saved.
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December 12, 2017, 08:54:45 PM
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there will always be people which are going to undermine the other, EXPanse Community is strong and isnt going anywhere, we are at the
Pinnacle of Change and we will see EXPanse rising and moving ahead.

ya you right.  it used to get to me awhile back, but after awhile it's just another day.  idk why so much energy gets put into it, when the same could go towards something more productive.

#wisdom
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December 13, 2017, 02:05:09 AM
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I will forever have pure hate in my heart for EXP. While about 99% of the crypto coins went x5-x20 in USD value in the past 4 months, EXP went from 3 USD to 2 USD. It hurt me every day and the pain doesnt go away, with no light at the end of the tunnel.

I dont even wanna calculate how much ive lost .... and missed out on, trusting this project.

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December 13, 2017, 02:46:34 AM
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Maybe you should take some lessons in risk management.  Wink

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December 13, 2017, 06:25:30 AM
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EXP is very underrated at the moment, I predict it will shoot back up to 10x it's current value soon.
The amount of things happening with Borderless, the DAO and Token Lab is exciting.
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I will forever have pure hate in my heart for EXP. While about 99% of the crypto coins went x5-x20 in USD value in the past 4 months, EXP went from 3 USD to 2 USD. It hurt me every day and the pain doesnt go away, with no light at the end of the tunnel.

I dont even wanna calculate how much ive lost .... and missed out on, trusting this project.



Exactly how I feel right now. I mined over 600 EXP (instead of ETH, even though higher profitability) during the summer and I held it for many months. However, I sold it a few days ago, moved on to other coins and I finally started seeing some profit from here and there. EXP used to be 3-4 USD at some point, but I didn't sell it because I saw a lot of potential in this project. I truly believed that it was an undervalued project and coin so I waited, thinking that the value would go up really soon, but nope... I'm really naive sometimes.

I bought back some EXP from the profit I've made with other coins, and I'm going to HODL, but I've lost a lot of hope.

Sorry.
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December 13, 2017, 07:13:53 AM
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EXP is very underrated at the moment, I predict it will shoot back up to 10x it's current value soon.
The amount of things happening with Borderless, the DAO and Token Lab is exciting.
Soon, EXPANSE will be back to its real value. It won't be underrated anymore.
Lets wait for it. ☺
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December 13, 2017, 09:56:22 AM
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EXP is very underrated at the moment, I predict it will shoot back up to 10x it's current value soon.
The amount of things happening with Borderless, the DAO and Token Lab is exciting.
Soon, EXPANSE will be back to its real value. It won't be underrated anymore.
Lets wait for it. ☺
Someday, Expanse will be one of the most valued coin in this crypto world.
Many people will also learn to believe in the potential of Expanse.
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December 13, 2017, 01:30:18 PM
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People had the same fear when Ethereum wasn't going up the whole last year, sometimes you need to wait, so wait and you will see the true value Cool
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December 13, 2017, 03:03:19 PM
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I will forever have pure hate in my heart for EXP. While about 99% of the crypto coins went x5-x20 in USD value in the past 4 months, EXP went from 3 USD to 2 USD. It hurt me every day and the pain doesnt go away, with no light at the end of the tunnel.

I dont even wanna calculate how much ive lost .... and missed out on, trusting this project.



how is that relevant though?  First things first, EXP is being compared to other tokens with 10-100x the market cap, yet EXP has held a stable price close to 4 months straight.
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I will forever have pure hate in my heart for EXP. While about 99% of the crypto coins went x5-x20 in USD value in the past 4 months, EXP went from 3 USD to 2 USD. It hurt me every day and the pain doesnt go away, with no light at the end of the tunnel.

I dont even wanna calculate how much ive lost .... and missed out on, trusting this project.



Exactly how I feel right now. I mined over 600 EXP (instead of ETH, even though higher profitability) during the summer and I held it for many months. However, I sold it a few days ago, moved on to other coins and I finally started seeing some profit from here and there. EXP used to be 3-4 USD at some point, but I didn't sell it because I saw a lot of potential in this project. I truly believed that it was an undervalued project and coin so I waited, thinking that the value would go up really soon, but nope... I'm really naive sometimes.

I bought back some EXP from the profit I've made with other coins, and I'm going to HODL, but I've lost a lot of hope.

Sorry.

join the discord.  we've announced quite a bit of updates over the past few weeks.

Discord.me/expanse
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What was that quote Charlie Li said a few weeks ago? 
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Maybe you should take some lessons in risk management.  Wink

RISK MANAGEMENT 101: Don't expect short term gains in very risky assets, but keep a long term point of view and assume the funds are already lost. Smiley

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December 13, 2017, 03:52:31 PM
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What do you think can save this project?

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December 13, 2017, 11:22:58 PM
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I will forever have pure hate in my heart for EXP. While about 99% of the crypto coins went x5-x20 in USD value in the past 4 months, EXP went from 3 USD to 2 USD. It hurt me every day and the pain doesnt go away, with no light at the end of the tunnel.

I dont even wanna calculate how much ive lost .... and missed out on, trusting this project.



 we all went there, we've lost some we've gained some welcome to the world of crypto.
I've been following and holding expanse for years, and i will still trust and keep on saving my expanse, i have faith on the expanse team!
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December 14, 2017, 04:16:08 AM
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I think it's safe to say that if you haven't already picked up a few EXP a little lower, now would be an optimal time for entry.

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