[ANN] Expanse (EXP) - 1st Stable fork of Ethereum (New Algo + PirlGuard)

[Daveeoff]

This miner is driving the price down - dumping about 3k on Polo every day or two.

http://www.expanse.tech/explorer/account/0x55dde0ec55419eafff7e02180ec473207d8252bc

On average this one miner mines 200 blocks/day (of the 1440 total blocks per day)

This one miner mines about 14% of supply

You can track the movements through to Polo

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1173722.msg14492987#msg14492987

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1173722.msg14483010#msg14483010

What development is that then cuz all i see is them selling on you, a million already that much hasnt even been mined by people since release lol.

 

That's what i was thinking the cause was that's  driving the price down on a daily bias

Let's all mine with our shitty GPU's so he mines less.

I was mining it with 6 390's and 2 7990's it wasn't bad at the start. But i switched over to mining Shift   

[ljm81new_again]

If you really think mining is the problen then POS is your answer

[usukan]

If you really think mining is the problen then POS is your answer

Reason being that POS encourages HOLDING and accumulation.

It simply rewards for holding.

I hope EXP goes to POS in the future like ETH

But a balanced mix of both POS and POW is more secure in the early stages of a coins evolution.

[CryptoClub]

If you really think mining is the problen then POS is your answer

Reason being that POS encourages HOLDING and accumulation.

It simply rewards for holding.

I hope EXP goes to POS in the future like ETH

But a balanced mix of both POS and POW is more secure in the early stages of a coins evolution.

At this point that is the plan. There will be variations from Ethereum, but we will be staying current and will update when they do. Although hybrid is also an interesting option, POS should happen either way.

[CryptoClub]

If you really think mining is the problen then POS is your answer

POS only would certainly cut down on new EXP coming in. This is just a good time to mine though, or accumulate, as even if we went hybrid we would cut it down some then. (less daily new EXP)

[usukan]

very good news indeed - thanks for this info Cryptoclub

If you really think mining is the problen then POS is your answer

Reason being that POS encourages HOLDING and accumulation.

It simply rewards for holding.

I hope EXP goes to POS in the future like ETH

But a balanced mix of both POS and POW is more secure in the early stages of a coins evolution.

At this point that is the plan. There will be variations from Ethereum, but we will be staying current and will update when they do. Although hybrid is also an interesting option, POS should happen either way.

[usukan]

when the price comes down these Reserve Funds get close scrutiny.

ETH is no exception either
They just sold 1.8m ETH and are taking flack

https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/723573508010348545

Point is that at least Devs go on with funding security - and increase mid/long term value (assuming their priorities are sound....)

Coins without funding just have a history of AWOL devs and no future

Without continuity of Devs its very difficult to restart a coin where they switched the lights off and went home.




 

you can check and follow Reserve Fund sales from these addresses

10m is preserved of the Reserve fund
http://www.expanse.tech/explorer/account/0xbb94f0ceb32257275b2a7a9c094c13e469b4563e


the Dev fund sells from here (started at 1m tot - 641k now)

http://www.expanse.tech/explorer/account/0x15656715068ab0dbdf0ab00748a8a19e40f28192


I have been tracking - all seems legit IMO. They need funds to develop EXP.

Draw your own conclusions

Think price will ever get back to .003 I'm down over five bitcoin so far with where the price is now and seem to be a new low every day lately

Most investors have an entry point above 100k on EXP. I don't see the price going much lower, but just hang on and things will be good.

It is never a good idea to panic sell.

For those that have the funds patience (usually) pays off, but all that is guaranteed is continued development and progress. Expanse is here to stay however, so there is very little risk of the worst case scenarios that are in some other projects.

I would also mention Bitcoin rallying will create some temporary lower prices for Alts in general. Those that have been around awhile know this. When Bitcoin is stable, Alts do better. The great thing of course is that if Bitcoin does end up a bit higher, so does Expanse.

Bitcoin was at $443.00 when i sold off 3500 EXP at 0.031 so i don't think i has anything to do with the price of bitcoin .How much has been payed out of the  of the  11 Million Reserve so far just asking I'm not sure how to check on it

[CryptoClub]

when the price comes down these Reserve Funds get close scrutiny.

ETH is no exception either
They just sold 1.8m ETH and are taking flack

https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/723573508010348545

Point is that at least Devs go on with funding security - and increase mid/long term value (assuming their priorities are sound....)

Coins without funding just have a history of AWOL devs and no future

Without continuity of Devs its very difficult to restart a coin where they switched the lights off and went home.

This is absolutely true. Devs don't work for free, and anything we contract out we have to pay for, out of pocket entirely early on. Rest assured everyone on the team ALWAYS owns EXP, so getting some EXP slowly over time makes about zero difference whatsoever to price, as we are always holding some. We would only sell with increasing volume and prices, and even then only to cover what is needed, as we know the project is going to last and grow. Some stuff we have paid with BTC of our own, like the new website, but we negotiate the best prices for work as possible while still being fair. We HATE selling pressure more than anyone, we made it "rare" on purpose, and we designed the community funding, still untouched, to last forever very intentionally. (Check the Whitepaper for how this will work)

This is something we are going to be working on for many years, at least if everyone in the DAO wants that down the road. I can assure you that we will be building up the project in a manner that benefits holders and makes them as happy as possible, at least as much as can. We certainly want everyone satisfied as if they were a partner with us. Keep in mind Franko worked on his previous project for years with no funding just because he is honorable and he still supports it now. So now we have funding and a very stable core team with great contributors. Yes, it sucks when the price goes down now and then, but you can't have one without the other, and I am sure there will be glorious increases in the future as well.

[CryptoClub]

We are working on a DApp developer recruitment program.

If you have an idea that you would like to work on let us know and we can provide you with some resources to help you with.

Now that's more like it! 

I would also mention we have a lot of reach in social media. The DES project was built on Expanse so we mentioned it, but we didn't promote it much as the dev is anon, so we can't be sure about it. If we were sure a dev was reliable and they built something on Expanse, we would promote it heavily for free to many thousands of people as it would be mutually beneficial. Yes, we can even work out a way to pay them some as well on top of that if it is good enough, as we want to get a lot bigger than we are and this could help.

[ljm81new_again]

Even at this low price a million exp will catch ya 850btc which = £265411.79  or $381905.... wheres the equivalent development the website lolol

Lol by the time this team stops dumping for funds the price will be zero.. so what devepoment cost is there considering its eths code and nones been done... seriously??

Im sorry but this is soo scamy the people have 1 million between um and the team has 10 million and 1 million of them has already gone.. and people are blaming miners when max mined at a guess is like 2000 exp a day haha

Dont walk from this one run, exp has been made for the team to cash in on off the back of eth and its your money their going to do it with.

[ShiftTeam]

when the price comes down these Reserve Funds get close scrutiny.

ETH is no exception either
They just sold 1.8m ETH and are taking flack

https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/723573508010348545

Point is that at least Devs go on with funding security - and increase mid/long term value (assuming their priorities are sound....)

Coins without funding just have a history of AWOL devs and no future

Without continuity of Devs its very difficult to restart a coin where they switched the lights off and went home.

This is absolutely true. Devs don't work for free, and anything we contract out we have to pay for, out of pocket entirely early on. Rest assured everyone on the team ALWAYS owns EXP, so getting some EXP slowly over time makes about zero difference whatsoever to price, as we are always holding some. We would only sell with increasing volume and prices, and even then only to cover what is needed, as we know the project is going to last and grow. Some stuff we have paid with BTC of our own, like the new website, but we negotiate the best prices for work as possible while still being fair. We HATE selling pressure more than anyone, we made it "rare" on purpose, and we designed the community funding, still untouched, to last forever very intentionally. (Check the Whitepaper for how this will work)

This is something we are going to be working on for many years, at least if everyone in the DAO wants that down the road. I can assure you that we will be building up the project in a manner that benefits holders and makes them as happy as possible, at least as much as can. We certainly want everyone satisfied as if they were a partner with us. Keep in mind Franko worked on his previous project for years with no funding just because he is honorable and he still supports it now. So now we have funding and a very stable core team with great contributors. Yes, it sucks when the price goes down now and then, but you can't have one without the other, and I am sure there will be glorious increases in the future as well.

Sorry, but when i read this it gets me (i do not speak for the rest of the team, the other 5. They do not even know im writing this.) really upset. You know for your self that you can not justify your zero "development" with several hundreds of BTC (300 BTC +). This gets me upset since it will make a very few people rich, and those who just started crypto, very poor. You really have no shame.

[wildduck]

Mate if you don`t like just go to your shift coin and make it even better.

[Daveeoff]

New low 0.00071536 and droping fast Think its time to sell what i have left and move on

[CryptoClub]

when the price comes down these Reserve Funds get close scrutiny.

ETH is no exception either
They just sold 1.8m ETH and are taking flack

https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/723573508010348545

Point is that at least Devs go on with funding security - and increase mid/long term value (assuming their priorities are sound....)

Coins without funding just have a history of AWOL devs and no future

Without continuity of Devs its very difficult to restart a coin where they switched the lights off and went home.

This is absolutely true. Devs don't work for free, and anything we contract out we have to pay for, out of pocket entirely early on. Rest assured everyone on the team ALWAYS owns EXP, so getting some EXP slowly over time makes about zero difference whatsoever to price, as we are always holding some. We would only sell with increasing volume and prices, and even then only to cover what is needed, as we know the project is going to last and grow. Some stuff we have paid with BTC of our own, like the new website, but we negotiate the best prices for work as possible while still being fair. We HATE selling pressure more than anyone, we made it "rare" on purpose, and we designed the community funding, still untouched, to last forever very intentionally. (Check the Whitepaper for how this will work)

This is something we are going to be working on for many years, at least if everyone in the DAO wants that down the road. I can assure you that we will be building up the project in a manner that benefits holders and makes them as happy as possible, at least as much as can. We certainly want everyone satisfied as if they were a partner with us. Keep in mind Franko worked on his previous project for years with no funding just because he is honorable and he still supports it now. So now we have funding and a very stable core team with great contributors. Yes, it sucks when the price goes down now and then, but you can't have one without the other, and I am sure there will be glorious increases in the future as well.

Sorry, but when i read this it gets me (i do not speak for the rest of the team, the other 5. They do not even know im writing this.) really upset. You know for your self that you can not justify your zero "development" with several hundreds of BTC (300 BTC +). This gets me upset since it will make a very few people rich, and those who just started crypto, very poor. You really have no shame.

Traders have made a lot more money in Expanse than Shift, and traders have made infinitely more than the devs of Expanse. Although you are just making up numbers clearly, and discounting that EXP prices have varied over time. You are jealous, but why not be jealous of Lisk that raised 12k BTC for nothing? Why are you obsessed with us? Part of your problem is that you are a scam dev and you have to remain anonymous, that is why nobody puts much value in your project. They know they can't trust you. Development is also more than trying to come up with some different code, which we have done plenty. It is related to a variety of aspects in a project and we have tons of development considering all aspects. We actually are capable of making a custom block explorer and custom wallet as well, so I am not sure why you think you are so amazing, when you are not.

Besides, you used up your premine as you had no clue how to plan funding. You vanished after your dumped your premine, and you had the audacity to came back to Shift once Expanse was successful and made a new premine! (Hey, at least that is original, never heard of anyone getting away with that before) Still, I could care less and had no ill will toward your project initially, we could have even helped you, but you have been FUDing our project the entire time. Coming here without your team's approval shows your level of professionalism by the way, about zero. Anyway, you will avoid the truth as that is what you do by nature, but please share your real identity if you are not a scam dev. Seriously, why hide "Joe?" You also mentioned Horizon details at launch and claim no connection to Horizon, a lie, and later a Horizon team member was announced on your team. Fact is, you lie a lot, and people will lose money if they trust you.

[CryptoClub]

There was an interview we did a bit ago for a Russian online site that is coming out now, the English version should be out tomorrow.

"Hi! Here is an article in Russian. http://forklog.com/drugoj-vzglyad-na-ethereum-intervyu-s-komandoj-blokchejn-sistemy-expanse/
Дpyгoй взгляд нa Ethereum — интepвью c кoмaндoй блoкчeйн-cиcтeмы Expanse | ForkLog
Удивитeльнaя кoнцeпция, лeжaщaя в ocнoвe Ethereum, пoвышeннoe внимaниe мeдиa к плaтфopмe и, кoнeчнo жe, pocт цeны ocнoвнoгo тoкeнa ETH нe мoгли пpoйти

[6:39]
Tomorrow in English"

[ShiftTeam]

when the price comes down these Reserve Funds get close scrutiny.

ETH is no exception either
They just sold 1.8m ETH and are taking flack

https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/723573508010348545

Point is that at least Devs go on with funding security - and increase mid/long term value (assuming their priorities are sound....)

Coins without funding just have a history of AWOL devs and no future

Without continuity of Devs its very difficult to restart a coin where they switched the lights off and went home.

This is absolutely true. Devs don't work for free, and anything we contract out we have to pay for, out of pocket entirely early on. Rest assured everyone on the team ALWAYS owns EXP, so getting some EXP slowly over time makes about zero difference whatsoever to price, as we are always holding some. We would only sell with increasing volume and prices, and even then only to cover what is needed, as we know the project is going to last and grow. Some stuff we have paid with BTC of our own, like the new website, but we negotiate the best prices for work as possible while still being fair. We HATE selling pressure more than anyone, we made it "rare" on purpose, and we designed the community funding, still untouched, to last forever very intentionally. (Check the Whitepaper for how this will work)

This is something we are going to be working on for many years, at least if everyone in the DAO wants that down the road. I can assure you that we will be building up the project in a manner that benefits holders and makes them as happy as possible, at least as much as can. We certainly want everyone satisfied as if they were a partner with us. Keep in mind Franko worked on his previous project for years with no funding just because he is honorable and he still supports it now. So now we have funding and a very stable core team with great contributors. Yes, it sucks when the price goes down now and then, but you can't have one without the other, and I am sure there will be glorious increases in the future as well.

Sorry, but when i read this it gets me (i do not speak for the rest of the team, the other 5. They do not even know im writing this.) really upset. You know for your self that you can not justify your zero "development" with several hundreds of BTC (300 BTC +). This gets me upset since it will make a very few people rich, and those who just started crypto, very poor. You really have no shame.

Traders have made a lot more money in Expanse than Shift, and traders have made infinitely more than the devs of Expanse. Although you are just making up numbers clearly, and discounting that EXP prices have varied over time. You are jealous, but why not be jealous of Lisk that raised 12k BTC for nothing? Why are you obsessed with us? Part of your problem is that you are a scam dev and you have to remain anonymous, that is why nobody puts much value in your project. They know they can't trust you. Development is also more than trying to come up with some different code, which we have done plenty. It is related to a variety of aspects in a project and we have tons of development considering all aspects. We actually are capable of making a custom block explorer and custom wallet as well, so I am not sure why you think you are so amazing, when you are not.

Besides, you used up your premine as you had no clue how to plan funding. You vanished after your dumped your premine, and you had the audacity to came back to Shift once Expanse was successful and made a new premine! (Hey, at least that is original, never heard of anyone getting away with that before) Still, I could care less and had no ill will toward your project initially, we could have even helped you, but you have been FUDing our project the entire time. Coming here without your team's approval shows your level of professionalism by the way, about zero. Anyway, you will avoid the truth as that is what you do by nature, but please share your real identity if you are not a scam dev. Seriously, why hide "Joe?" You also mentioned Horizon details at launch and claim no connection to Horizon, a lie, and later a Horizon team member was announced on your team. Fact is, you lie a lot, and people will lose money if they trust you.

You have not developed anything besides a block explorer. The reason for that is simple, Your so called developed cant code. If you want i can show his attempts..

So what you do is that you copy.. mergeing code from eth. Thats what you are doing. And for this you consider your selfs worth 300 btc.

Now, we should not go into the numerus currencys you and your team have been involved in. The people who have worked with you know too well how you work. Lets not go there.. we all know about your pump groups. Now you are slowly screwing the community over and expect Them to pay you 300 btc for copying.

This isnt FUD. You tell lies and are dishonest. Second, everyone knows that franco cant code. The word is already out there. So stop spreading lies and dumping on the small people in crypto and i will leave you alone.

[8-bit]

New low 0.00071536 and droping fast Think its time to sell what i have left and move on

Not much on sell books below 90k satoshi. I've been holding and will continue to hold even with these low prices. Expanse just launched last september, so I'm giving this one some time.

[CryptoClub]

when the price comes down these Reserve Funds get close scrutiny.

ETH is no exception either
They just sold 1.8m ETH and are taking flack

https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/723573508010348545

Point is that at least Devs go on with funding security - and increase mid/long term value (assuming their priorities are sound....)

Coins without funding just have a history of AWOL devs and no future

Without continuity of Devs its very difficult to restart a coin where they switched the lights off and went home.

This is absolutely true. Devs don't work for free, and anything we contract out we have to pay for, out of pocket entirely early on. Rest assured everyone on the team ALWAYS owns EXP, so getting some EXP slowly over time makes about zero difference whatsoever to price, as we are always holding some. We would only sell with increasing volume and prices, and even then only to cover what is needed, as we know the project is going to last and grow. Some stuff we have paid with BTC of our own, like the new website, but we negotiate the best prices for work as possible while still being fair. We HATE selling pressure more than anyone, we made it "rare" on purpose, and we designed the community funding, still untouched, to last forever very intentionally. (Check the Whitepaper for how this will work)

This is something we are going to be working on for many years, at least if everyone in the DAO wants that down the road. I can assure you that we will be building up the project in a manner that benefits holders and makes them as happy as possible, at least as much as can. We certainly want everyone satisfied as if they were a partner with us. Keep in mind Franko worked on his previous project for years with no funding just because he is honorable and he still supports it now. So now we have funding and a very stable core team with great contributors. Yes, it sucks when the price goes down now and then, but you can't have one without the other, and I am sure there will be glorious increases in the future as well.

Sorry, but when i read this it gets me (i do not speak for the rest of the team, the other 5. They do not even know im writing this.) really upset. You know for your self that you can not justify your zero "development" with several hundreds of BTC (300 BTC +). This gets me upset since it will make a very few people rich, and those who just started crypto, very poor. You really have no shame.

Traders have made a lot more money in Expanse than Shift, and traders have made infinitely more than the devs of Expanse. Although you are just making up numbers clearly, and discounting that EXP prices have varied over time. You are jealous, but why not be jealous of Lisk that raised 12k BTC for nothing? Why are you obsessed with us? Part of your problem is that you are a scam dev and you have to remain anonymous, that is why nobody puts much value in your project. They know they can't trust you. Development is also more than trying to come up with some different code, which we have done plenty. It is related to a variety of aspects in a project and we have tons of development considering all aspects. We actually are capable of making a custom block explorer and custom wallet as well, so I am not sure why you think you are so amazing, when you are not.

Besides, you used up your premine as you had no clue how to plan funding. You vanished after your dumped your premine, and you had the audacity to came back to Shift once Expanse was successful and made a new premine! (Hey, at least that is original, never heard of anyone getting away with that before) Still, I could care less and had no ill will toward your project initially, we could have even helped you, but you have been FUDing our project the entire time. Coming here without your team's approval shows your level of professionalism by the way, about zero. Anyway, you will avoid the truth as that is what you do by nature, but please share your real identity if you are not a scam dev. Seriously, why hide "Joe?" You also mentioned Horizon details at launch and claim no connection to Horizon, a lie, and later a Horizon team member was announced on your team. Fact is, you lie a lot, and people will lose money if they trust you.

You have not developed anything besides a block explorer. The reason for that is simple, Your so called developed cant code. If you want i can show his attempts..

So what you do is that you copy.. mergeing code from eth. Thats what you are doing. And for this you consider your selfs worth 300 btc.

Now, we should not go into the numerus currencys you and your team have been involved in. The people who have worked with you know too well how you work. Lets not go there.. we all know about your pump groups. Now you are slowly screwing the community over and expect Them to pay you 300 btc for copying.

This isnt FUD. You tell lies and are dishonest. Second, everyone knows that franco cant code. The word is already out there. So stop spreading lies and dumping on the small people in crypto and i will leave you alone.

Share your identity "JOEY." Everyone knows you are just here FUDing hoping that people will see value in your shtcoin, but you offer no value as a representative. Your own community tried to throw you out, you attacked them, there was a failed takeover attempt, a double premine even! That is totally garbage. Honestly, as an anon dev you are better off shutting up and starting over somewhere else. As for pump groups, no, I just buy early as cryptos are not that hard to figure out value for people with a brain. How to do well? Easy, avoid anon scam devs like you and stick with people willing to put their names on the project. You couldn't get ANYONE on your team to use their real name, that is pretty bad. If you want SHT to have value and you are not scamming, use your real name. Of course we both know it would go to basically zero if people knew who you were, but if I am wrong you could easily prove it, but you won't because we both know I am right.

[CryptoClub]

New low 0.00071536 and droping fast Think its time to sell what i have left and move on

Not much on sell books below 90k satoshi. I've been holding and will continue to hold even with these low prices. Expanse just launched last september, so I'm giving this one some time.

The simple truth is Bitcoin is nearing halving so some people are selling alts a bit more, including Ethereum and most others. That makes some alt devs desperate so they are out trying to FUD big time, hoping to lure people in and keep their price up. Super shady stuff, but just what we have to deal with in the early days of cryptos with no regulations.

Thanks for your support by the way, we do appreciate it and it means quite a bit. We also promise we will do our best to reward people like you in the future. Anyway, in a few more days I will have the first Newsletter out and there will be some news in it.

[bitbite111]

Can you post a picture without the sunglesses in case this ever ends in a scam?