Avalon 6 Vs Antminer S7, which one you will choose?

[Amph]

300w per tera vs 250w per tera, draw your own conclusions

antminer s7 is better, but i would prefer to have a mini version of it

[notlist3d]

300w per tera vs 250w per tera, draw your own conclusions

antminer s7 is better, but i would prefer to have a mini version of it

That is the nice thing if something goes wrong you lose 1t not 4t for a period of time.    Although having 4T+ in small form factor is nice.

We really need to know price to decide anything assuming it's real.   Without price hard to decide much.

[QuintLeo]

2200 yuan listed on that preorder site, but dunno if that's supposed to be the FULL price or if it's just a down payment.

 If it's 2200 yuan TOTAL price, that IS a "ignite price war" very good price - and my SCAMSENSE explodes.

[philipma1957]

2200 yuan listed on that preorder site, but dunno if that's supposed to be the FULL price or if it's just a down payment.

 If it's 2200 yuan TOTAL price, that IS a "ignite price war" very good price - and my SCAMSENSE explodes.

yeah 2200 is under 400 usd even if we pay a lot to ship and end up at 500 usd.  the price is good.

my thoughts are 2 good to be true.


say 3.5 th using 1050 watts costing 500 - shipped

vs 4.8th using 1200 watts costing 1650 - shipped

based on the prices Avalon has charged this price is too low.

[notlist3d]

2200 yuan listed on that preorder site, but dunno if that's supposed to be the FULL price or if it's just a down payment.

 If it's 2200 yuan TOTAL price, that IS a "ignite price war" very good price - and my SCAMSENSE explodes.

yeah 2200 is under 400 usd even if we pay a lot to ship and end up at 500 usd.  the price is good.

my thoughts are 2 good to be true.


say 3.5 th using 1050 watts costing 500 - shipped

vs 4.8th using 1200 watts costing 1650 - shipped

based on the prices Avalon has charged this price is too low.

Sadly I would agree on the price being to low.  They charged a nice premium on their gear.

If this is true then their business model would have changed a lot.  The 4.1 was at 1.92 BTC not including shipping when they sold it out ( https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/ )

[QuintLeo]

OP DID say $315/TH in the original post - which would make it a competative unit but not insanely good at around $1050ish.

 No clue where that data came from though, nothing about it on the site they posted.

[Xircom]

Thats indeed good news.
We need Bitmain competition. I just hope that Spoondolies would release a 3-4 th miner at a decent price..

[chalkboard17]

Really hope this and more company can free us from bitmain's monopoly.

[VirosaGITS]

Really hope this and more company can free us from bitmain's monopoly.

The real question is when? There's no point if they don't release it soon. But if they do it will lower the price of S7's too, which would be good for the consumer regardless.
The 4.1 was nice and quiet however, so there might be interest in ditching the S7 and going with Avalon until Bitmain raise the quality of their hardware for the home oriented user...

[notlist3d]

Really hope this and more company can free us from bitmain's monopoly.

The real question is when? There's no point if they don't release it soon. But if they do it will lower the price of S7's too, which would be good for the consumer regardless.
The 4.1 was nice and quiet however, so there might be interest in ditching the S7 and going with Avalon until Bitmain raise the quality of their hardware for the home oriented user...

I don't know that they have a quality problem really.   They had one where S7 some did not get full spec but they seem to have found how to fix it as they now have a batch of faster, and a batch of slower.   

But overall they ship a TON of home miners and yes there are complaints.   But people who are happy post less then someone with an issue.  So I think what  your seeing on the board is a tad twords the "bad" side of their production.

[VirosaGITS]

Really hope this and more company can free us from bitmain's monopoly.

The real question is when? There's no point if they don't release it soon. But if they do it will lower the price of S7's too, which would be good for the consumer regardless.
The 4.1 was nice and quiet however, so there might be interest in ditching the S7 and going with Avalon until Bitmain raise the quality of their hardware for the home oriented user...

I don't know that they have a quality problem really.   They had one where S7 some did not get full spec but they seem to have found how to fix it as they now have a batch of faster, and a batch of slower.   

But overall they ship a TON of home miners and yes there are complaints.   But people who are happy post less then someone with an issue.  So I think what  your seeing on the board is a tad twords the "bad" side of their production.

Well when i say that, i'm thinking about the cheap thermal dissipation design. Albeit better in the new S7 form factor.
The software being rickety at best and important feature are left out on purpose. For example, they removed Volt control on S4 in later firmware while its possible to hack it back in and it work just fine.
The software is ultimately low end, not very good. Compare it to the SP20.
The noise is bad, compare to Avalon 4.1, although with the fan control and low ambient temp, its not that bad, just not excellent.
The plugs are on top of the miner, so its harder to stack, if all the inputs were behind, they would be more manageable. Again this is worse with the S5 and i'm not sure with the S7, but still. Compare it to the other mentioned miners.

[notlist3d]

Well when i say that, i'm thinking about the cheap thermal dissipation design. Albeit better in the new S7 form factor.
The software being rickety at best and important feature are left out on purpose. For example, they removed Volt control on S4 in later firmware while its possible to hack it back in and it work just fine.
The software is ultimately low end, not very good. Compare it to the SP20.
The noise is bad, compare to Avalon 4.1, although with the fan control and low ambient temp, its not that bad, just not excellent.
The plugs are on top of the miner, so its harder to stack, if all the inputs were behind, they would be more manageable. Again this is worse with the S5 and i'm not sure with the S7, but still. Compare it to the other mentioned miners.

Going into it though you know what your getting.   Bitmain has kept pretty much same software for all of miners, they are very similar.   So it's not a surprise on software side.

Also you don't want inputs on back as this is where hot exhust is.  So putting say power cables in the hot exhust is just not good planning.  I agree avalon 4.1 and sp20 did a better job with inputs on front.  But the S5 was built to be low priced.  It was not encased in a nice case like other two and used plastic sides.

If your wanting change I do not think it will come from bitmain as far as far as software design anytime soon.  As far as hardware going from 2 blades to 3 with S5+ and S7 I consider hardware a decent change.  Also a metal case compared to plastic sides.... so there is some improvement on hardware side.   

[valkir]

Hope Avalon 6 will exist but right now no answer from the Avalon team. 

[notlist3d]

Hope Avalon 6 will exist but right now no answer from the Avalon team. 

There is also a hope of Innosilicon coming up with a chip.  They have been huge in past with A1/A2 chips.    They had a partnership with LKETC which brought the dragons to market.   

At some point they should have a partnership with a miner.  They announced it a while back and got quiet.   But there are a few hopes out there to make it not a monopoly. 

Other is SP doing a SP40 series.... I really hope they do a hobby miner.  But not sure if we will get interest or they only pump out SP50's once they do start shipping (whenever that is)

[valkir]

SP40 will not exist. SP said in the pass they will not do any more home miner.

[YuginKadoya]

If the price is right then I will prefer avalon 6 if you're saying that the avalon 6 has less power consumption, then this will be great
300 watts VS 1,210 Watts isn't bad either but let's just wait for more details on the avalon 6

[QuintLeo]

300 watts / TH per that web site original poster listed - so a little but not a LOT worse than the S7.

 I crunched the numbers though, and not looking like this Avalon 6 (IF it actually exists and IF the specs and price are correct, between original poster and that Chinese website) will RoI ever even at 3 cent/KWH electric, unless Bitcoin price sees a substantial jump or diff increases flatline REAL soon.

[VirosaGITS]

300 watts / TH per that web site original poster listed - so a little but not a LOT worse than the S7.

 I crunched the numbers though, and not looking like this Avalon 6 (IF it actually exists and IF the specs and price are correct, between original poster and that Chinese website) will RoI ever even at 3 cent/KWH electric, unless Bitcoin price sees a substantial jump or diff increases flatline REAL soon.

I'm guessing it will really depend on the price tag on the unit. By the time they release it, since they are taking too long to do so, i don't think they will be able to price it at much more than 1BTC/TH/s.

Well when i say that, i'm thinking about the cheap thermal dissipation design. Albeit better in the new S7 form factor.
The software being rickety at best and important feature are left out on purpose. For example, they removed Volt control on S4 in later firmware while its possible to hack it back in and it work just fine.
The software is ultimately low end, not very good. Compare it to the SP20.
The noise is bad, compare to Avalon 4.1, although with the fan control and low ambient temp, its not that bad, just not excellent.
The plugs are on top of the miner, so its harder to stack, if all the inputs were behind, they would be more manageable. Again this is worse with the S5 and i'm not sure with the S7, but still. Compare it to the other mentioned miners.

Going into it though you know what your getting.   Bitmain has kept pretty much same software for all of miners, they are very similar.   So it's not a surprise on software side.

Also you don't want inputs on back as this is where hot exhust is.  So putting say power cables in the hot exhust is just not good planning.  I agree avalon 4.1 and sp20 did a better job with inputs on front.  But the S5 was built to be low priced.  It was not encased in a nice case like other two and used plastic sides.

If your wanting change I do not think it will come from bitmain as far as far as software design anytime soon.  As far as hardware going from 2 blades to 3 with S5+ and S7 I consider hardware a decent change.  Also a metal case compared to plastic sides.... so there is some improvement on hardware side.  

The hot hair should come out to the other side, not the side where you plug your things. You could use good solid plastic, it would be lighter than metal and still very solid. Tho not much less expensive. And my biggest grief is with the software-hardware part of the software. The volt control is bad, the fan control is finally here but still very bad. Etc.

[ngzhang]

sorry guys, on avalon6S, my major design goal is to lower the cost and keep it stable & reliable at the same time.

look, most of your attention is price, price, price. how can i waste any more cents on user expreiences? 

ng

[philipma1957]

sorry guys, on avalon6S, my major design goal is to lower the cost and keep it stable & reliable at the same time.

look, most of your attention is price, price, price. how can i waste any more cents on user expreiences? 

ng

Your 4.1 was a great piece of gear.

When the 6 comes out I will get one and review it.

I like the idea that it will not be loud and will use less power then the s-7 from bitmaintech.

How long before I can order one?