Avalon 6 Vs Antminer S7, which one you will choose?

[64dimensions]

More tradeoff considerations:

1) For the home miner with say, less than 4 units, reliability has to be a major consideration. A dead unit or bad card and there goes any hope of ROI.

2) As mentioned in the main S7 thread, BITMAIN is now charging 3.1 BTC for a batch 8 S7. Very curious language used in the description: "4.73th/s is the final version of S7 which is more stable."

[RichBC]

2) As mentioned in the main S7 thread, BITMAIN is now charging 3.1 BTC for a batch 8 S7. Very curious language used in the description: "4.73th/s is the final version of S7 which is more stable."

I think it means what it says, which I interpret as. After much messing about they have finally settled on the 135 Chip System, 15 Node string and I am still assuming a Buck Converter such that they are not dependant on such a tight spec for the PSU? Whether they have been selecting BM1385 or not and if that is in any way a factor going forward I do not know?


Rich

[VirosaGITS]

2) As mentioned in the main S7 thread, BITMAIN is now charging 3.1 BTC for a batch 8 S7. Very curious language used in the description: "4.73th/s is the final version of S7 which is more stable."

I think it means what it says, which I interpret as. After much messing about they have finally settled on the 135 Chip System, 15 Node string and I am still assuming a Buck Converter such that they are not dependant on such a tight spec for the PSU? Whether they have been selecting BM1385 or not and if that is in any way a factor going forward I do not know?


Rich

That price sound more reasonable, still would not be a sufficient enough decrease, if the difficulty keep climbing like this.

Also i don't suppose having a buck converter would mean working software side volt control?

[wlefever]

2) As mentioned in the main S7 thread, BITMAIN is now charging 3.1 BTC for a batch 8 S7. Very curious language used in the description: "4.73th/s is the final version of S7 which is more stable."

I think it means what it says, which I interpret as. After much messing about they have finally settled on the 135 Chip System, 15 Node string and I am still assuming a Buck Converter such that they are not dependant on such a tight spec for the PSU? Whether they have been selecting BM1385 or not and if that is in any way a factor going forward I do not know?


Rich

That price sound more reasonable, still would not be a sufficient enough decrease, if the difficulty keep climbing like this.

Also i don't suppose having a buck converter would mean working software side volt control?

I'm looking into lee's latest group buy of $1150 for the last batch S7 (4.73 Th/s), but it launching Jan 27th, 2016 has me a little worried what the difficulty will do by then.

[HarryKPeters]

Both look very good. But getting used to bitmain makes me go to choose the antminer s7. But i would like to try the avalon too. Both asics are priced ok, in perception of the current bitcoin price. So yes it is a nice invemestment.

The downfall offcourse is the difficulty which is sky rocketing.. Best to wait for the next gen. miners.

[MaritiJames3]

Both look very good. But getting used to bitmain makes me go to choose the antminer s7. But i would like to try the avalon too. Both asics are priced ok, in perception of the current bitcoin price. So yes it is a nice invemestment.

The downfall offcourse is the difficulty which is sky rocketing.. Best to wait for the next gen. miners.

Touche, the current miners won't earn enough to get a decent ROI. The difficulty is just increasing too much which makes the current batch of miners not profitable.
I think bitmain will launch a new miner around feb/march. Till then keep your bitcoins as bitcoins, as in don't spend them on these asics.

[VirosaGITS]

Both look very good. But getting used to bitmain makes me go to choose the antminer s7. But i would like to try the avalon too. Both asics are priced ok, in perception of the current bitcoin price. So yes it is a nice invemestment.

The downfall offcourse is the difficulty which is sky rocketing.. Best to wait for the next gen. miners.

Touche, the current miners won't earn enough to get a decent ROI. The difficulty is just increasing too much which makes the current batch of miners not profitable.
I think bitmain will launch a new miner around feb/march. Till then keep your bitcoins as bitcoins, as in don't spend them on these asics.

2) As mentioned in the main S7 thread, BITMAIN is now charging 3.1 BTC for a batch 8 S7. Very curious language used in the description: "4.73th/s is the final version of S7 which is more stable."

I think it means what it says, which I interpret as. After much messing about they have finally settled on the 135 Chip System, 15 Node string and I am still assuming a Buck Converter such that they are not dependant on such a tight spec for the PSU? Whether they have been selecting BM1385 or not and if that is in any way a factor going forward I do not know?


Rich

That price sound more reasonable, still would not be a sufficient enough decrease, if the difficulty keep climbing like this.

Also i don't suppose having a buck converter would mean working software side volt control?

I'm looking into lee's latest group buy of $1150 for the last batch S7 (4.73 Th/s), but it launching Jan 27th, 2016 has me a little worried what the difficulty will do by then.

So basically, a Smart strategy;

Step one is "Wait 1-2 Months for difficulty to stabilize". Step two is "Buy the S7's Americans and CIE when they panic sell because they can no longer ROI before halving. At half price, of course."

[adaseb]

Both look very good. But getting used to bitmain makes me go to choose the antminer s7. But i would like to try the avalon too. Both asics are priced ok, in perception of the current bitcoin price. So yes it is a nice invemestment.

The downfall offcourse is the difficulty which is sky rocketing.. Best to wait for the next gen. miners.

Touche, the current miners won't earn enough to get a decent ROI. The difficulty is just increasing too much which makes the current batch of miners not profitable.
I think bitmain will launch a new miner around feb/march. Till then keep your bitcoins as bitcoins, as in don't spend them on these asics.

2) As mentioned in the main S7 thread, BITMAIN is now charging 3.1 BTC for a batch 8 S7. Very curious language used in the description: "4.73th/s is the final version of S7 which is more stable."

I think it means what it says, which I interpret as. After much messing about they have finally settled on the 135 Chip System, 15 Node string and I am still assuming a Buck Converter such that they are not dependant on such a tight spec for the PSU? Whether they have been selecting BM1385 or not and if that is in any way a factor going forward I do not know?


Rich

That price sound more reasonable, still would not be a sufficient enough decrease, if the difficulty keep climbing like this.

Also i don't suppose having a buck converter would mean working software side volt control?

I'm looking into lee's latest group buy of $1150 for the last batch S7 (4.73 Th/s), but it launching Jan 27th, 2016 has me a little worried what the difficulty will do by then.

So basically, a Smart strategy;

Step one is "Wait 1-2 Months for difficulty to stabilize". Step two is "Buy the S7's Americans and CIE when they panic sell because they can no longer ROI before halving. At half price, of course."

He's right. Right now is the best time to sell miners since the price is increasing, Bitcoin is making the news, everybody wants to print money.

The best time to buy is when difficulty is taking 25% jumps every 2 weeks and price is crashing and everybody is panicking. I got some good deals on miners this way.

[QuintLeo]

So basically, a Smart strategy;

Step one is "Wait 1-2 Months for difficulty to stabilize". Step two is "Buy the S7's Americans and CIE when they panic sell because they can no longer ROI before halving. At half price, of course."

 At this point I'm not betting on diffuculty stabilizing in 2 months. Or 3. Perhaps in 4.

 I don't see any chance of the current generation (S7. Avalon 6, SP50) achieving a positive RoI unless you have VERY VERY cheap electric - and I'm starting to wonder if you'll be able to RoI those machines on 3cent/KWH electric.


 The rumblings are underfoot, A3 is comming and it looks like it's going to be the REAL game-changer for folks not running sub-20NM BitFury or KnC farms....

[RichBC]

The rumblings are underfoot, A3 is comming and it looks like it's going to be the REAL game-changer for folks not running sub-20NM BitFury or KnC farms....

Not at all my specialist subject but I think it will need Full Custom 14nm to be a Game Changer. I do not think Standard Cell or Semi Custom is not going to get there? What have you heard on A3, seems to have been very quiet?

Would be interesting to know exactly what BW, KNC, BitFury and Innosilicon are using? 

Rich

[wlefever]

So basically, a Smart strategy;

Step one is "Wait 1-2 Months for difficulty to stabilize". Step two is "Buy the S7's Americans and CIE when they panic sell because they can no longer ROI before halving. At half price, of course."

 At this point I'm not betting on diffuculty stabilizing in 2 months. Or 3. Perhaps in 4.

 I don't see any chance of the current generation (S7. Avalon 6, SP50) achieving a positive RoI unless you have VERY VERY cheap electric - and I'm starting to wonder if you'll be able to RoI those machines on 3cent/KWH electric.


 The rumblings are underfoot, A3 is comming and it looks like it's going to be the REAL game-changer for folks not running sub-20NM BitFury or KnC farms....

It is definitely looking tough for the foreseable future for the S7, and Avalon 6 but a lot can happen as we know with bitcoin.  Even if the difficulty keeps jumping 7-8% a period the price could keep us up with that long enough for this equipment to ROI by climing to $600+.  It is a big if, but it isn't any different than it has always been when mining. 

[QuintLeo]

Innosilicon has ANNOUNCED full custom 14nm for their A4 Scrypt chip.
They haven't said one way or the other on the A3 - but I don't see ANY reason for it to be anything BUT full-custom as SHA256 is a simpler algorythm easier to design for.

 Note that they have indicated that they intend to bring the A3 and the A4 to market at the same time.

 Also note that their "search for investors" for the A4 seems to be more about risk management than anything - they're NOT cash-short after all the A1/A2 sales they've made, and they brought both of THOSE chips to market with no "pre-orders" or outside investors.


 Given the next diff increase is looking likely to just miss 20%, and that price has NOT been keeping pace since the initial surge (we're still not back up to that first peak despite the recent second surge, though might get there a lot sooner than I think)....



 Up side - price keeps going up even close to diff increases, I might actually achieve RoI on my S5s and SP20 after all. 8-)

[notlist3d]

Innosilicon has ANNOUNCED full custom 14nm for their A4 Scrypt chip.
They haven't said one way or the other on the A3 - but I don't see ANY reason for it to be anything BUT full-custom as SHA256 is a simpler algorythm easier to design for.

 Note that they have indicated that they intend to bring the A3 and the A4 to market at the same time.

 Also note that their "search for investors" for the A4 seems to be more about risk management than anything - they're NOT cash-short after all the A1/A2 sales they've made, and they brought both of THOSE chips to market with no "pre-orders" or outside investors.


 Given the next diff increase is looking likely to just miss 20%, and that price has NOT been keeping pace since the initial surge (we're still not back up to that first peak despite the recent second surge, though might get there a lot sooner than I think)....



 Up side - price keeps going up even close to diff increases, I might actually achieve RoI on my S5s and SP20 after all. 8-)

I have not been able to keep up with Innosilicone.  Have they shown a prototype or done a tapeout or anything?  Or are chips still being in R/D not working up to spec.

I think they announced way to early about it.  It just seems like a long time since they did, and they have produced  0 of them.

[dalistar]

What is avalon 6 nww price now in usd

[Amph]

What is avalon 6 nww price now in usd

seems around 4 btc, so $1700, but i guess you cna find at lower price if you buy it used on the market or on ebay

[dalistar]

What is avalon 6 nww price now in usd

seems around 4 btc, so $1700, but i guess you cna find at lower price if you buy it used on the market or on ebay

Before three months I can buy in local market for almost 300 usd here in china
Now I can find it 1500 usd


I will think about other miners ...similar miners lab or yesminer

[notlist3d]

What is avalon 6 nww price now in usd

seems around 4 btc, so $1700, but i guess you cna find at lower price if you buy it used on the market or on ebay

Before three months I can buy in local market for almost 300 usd here in china
Now I can find it 1500 usd


I will think about other miners ...similar miners lab or yesminer

When price of BTC value goes up gear goes up to.  Difficulty can effect it to... which this one will hurt.

But expect miners to cost now more then 230 days.  BTC just is worth almost double of what it was for a decent amount of time.

[Amph]

What is avalon 6 nww price now in usd

seems around 4 btc, so $1700, but i guess you cna find at lower price if you buy it used on the market or on ebay

Before three months I can buy in local market for almost 300 usd here in china
Now I can find it 1500 usd


I will think about other miners ...similar miners lab or yesminer

When price of BTC value goes up gear goes up to.  Difficulty can effect it to... which this one will hurt.

But expect miners to cost now more then 230 days.  BTC just is worth almost double of what it was for a decent amount of time.

no this is wrong, if btc value goes up the value of the gear goes down in btc, because it goes down in usd

in fact now the s7 on hashnest cost less than 5 btc, when before it was 7 btc

[dmwardjr]

no this is wrong, if btc value goes up the value of the gear goes down in btc, because it goes down in usd

in fact now the s7 on hashnest cost less than 5 btc, when before it was 7 btc

I wish them luck selling them at that price.  They probably still have earlier batches.

[notlist3d]

What is avalon 6 nww price now in usd

seems around 4 btc, so $1700, but i guess you cna find at lower price if you buy it used on the market or on ebay

Before three months I can buy in local market for almost 300 usd here in china
Now I can find it 1500 usd


I will think about other miners ...similar miners lab or yesminer

When price of BTC value goes up gear goes up to.  Difficulty can effect it to... which this one will hurt.

But expect miners to cost now more then 230 days.  BTC just is worth almost double of what it was for a decent amount of time.

no this is wrong, if btc value goes up the value of the gear goes down in btc, because it goes down in usd

in fact now the s7 on hashnest cost less than 5 btc, when before it was 7 btc

I might not have done a good job on being clear.  I mean value goes up (IE USD value).  If BTC goes up old gear tends to go up in value.  Yes less btc in value, but more usd.

But if difficulty does that..... it could negate the fact of value of btc.  So we might not see big jump on old gear.