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According to ESPN , the Cavaliers have received as many as 20 offers from teams interested in trading for the All-Star, but what the Cavs are asking for in return is far more than what teams are willing to give up.
"The Cavaliers want a package that resembles the 2011 Denver Nuggets-New York Knicks deal for Carmelo Anthony -- young players, win-now veterans and draft picks, league sources said. For new general manager Koby Altman, this is a textbook way to open trade discussions. But for now, most Irving suitors are using the Minnesota Timberwolves-Chicago Bulls trade model for Jimmy Butler, a scaled-down model of Melo's rich return of assets."
I want to see Kyrie Irving playing for Minnesota Timberwolves, I'm seeing that he will good at their management or any with other teams. As long as the confidence from him before will be back and he's the one to announce it. Yes. Kyrie Irving will be a good addition to the Timberwolves. But what Minnesota can offer in return? I think its logical for GM Altman to really get a good players out of a trade involving Kyrie, regardless of team. That's why I agree with the article. If Altman can get quality players that will fit the Cavs roster, he will easily deal with it. But so far my theory is that as many teams wants to court Kyrie right now, but the offer is not worth to bite for now. Agree, the Wolves to me are the most likely destination for Irving because of Butler and how much they want to play together. However I also fail to see what the Wolves can offer to the Cavs. Unless they package someone like Wiggins to another team and make a three way deal I don't see any other way. With that said, the Suns with Bledsoe and others could be added into this. I can see the Cavs getting Bledsoe and another role player this way. This is quite a dilemma. Kyrie's a top tier player but i don't think the wolves would be able to send wiggins or kat and jimmy would probably not be good enough for the cavs unless there's another with him that would be an upper tier as well. Obviously it won't be good if next season kyrie's still going to play with the cavs so cleveland may have to settle for an unbalanced trade
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According to ESPN , the Cavaliers have received as many as 20 offers from teams interested in trading for the All-Star, but what the Cavs are asking for in return is far more than what teams are willing to give up.
"The Cavaliers want a package that resembles the 2011 Denver Nuggets-New York Knicks deal for Carmelo Anthony -- young players, win-now veterans and draft picks, league sources said. For new general manager Koby Altman, this is a textbook way to open trade discussions. But for now, most Irving suitors are using the Minnesota Timberwolves-Chicago Bulls trade model for Jimmy Butler, a scaled-down model of Melo's rich return of assets."
I want to see Kyrie Irving playing for Minnesota Timberwolves, I'm seeing that he will good at their management or any with other teams. As long as the confidence from him before will be back and he's the one to announce it. Yes. Kyrie Irving will be a good addition to the Timberwolves. But what Minnesota can offer in return? I think its logical for GM Altman to really get a good players out of a trade involving Kyrie, regardless of team. That's why I agree with the article. If Altman can get quality players that will fit the Cavs roster, he will easily deal with it. But so far my theory is that as many teams wants to court Kyrie right now, but the offer is not worth to bite for now. Agree, the Wolves to me are the most likely destination for Irving because of Butler and how much they want to play together. However I also fail to see what the Wolves can offer to the Cavs. Unless they package someone like Wiggins to another team and make a three way deal I don't see any other way. With that said, the Suns with Bledsoe and others could be added into this. I can see the Cavs getting Bledsoe and another role player this way. This is quite a dilemma. Kyrie's a top tier player but i don't think the wolves would be able to send wiggins or kat and jimmy would probably not be good enough for the cavs unless there's another with him that would be an upper tier as well. Obviously it won't be good if next season kyrie's still going to play with the cavs so cleveland may have to settle for an unbalanced trade I think the Cavs getting Bledsoe and someone on that level (Wiggins, KAT, etc) would sign that trade in a second of course but I doubt that will happen. Most likely the Suns will get Wiggins, the Wolves Irving and the Cavs Bledsoe + someone from either Suns or Wolves and maybe a pick. I don't know I'm just speculating with the TWolves being involved, maybe they are not but there's a reason Kyrie included them in his destination teams. As I said, to me there's already a deal in place with the Suns, not sure what involves but Bledsoe is coming to the Cavs along with another player or two.
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I have a hunch that lebron and carmelo will be not in a chemistry and they will not perform their best if they are in a tag team. I think what cleveland needs is a good point guard like kyrie.
That is what i'm thinking too. Knowing that Lebron isn't the man who would give up the no.1 spot to his team mate, or the main start I should say. Not unless Melo would be fine as a secondary role and everything will be fine. Melo knows that Lebron is much better than him so definitely he will give way and will play as a backup role with of course still having a isolation plays with him. He is the one who will landed to Cavaliers and not Lebron who will land to his currenet team(if ever) that's why there is no pride involved here and it will not be hard for that chemistry to build. Remember Dwayne Wade? He is at his peak when Lebron came but look what happened even prior to that season of Miami Heat's Big 3, there is some question about how chemistry will be build on that team.
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August 02, 2017, 07:12:29 PM |
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I have a hunch that lebron and carmelo will be not in a chemistry and they will not perform their best if they are in a tag team. I think what cleveland needs is a good point guard like kyrie.
That is what i'm thinking too. Knowing that Lebron isn't the man who would give up the no.1 spot to his team mate, or the main start I should say. Not unless Melo would be fine as a secondary role and everything will be fine. Melo knows that Lebron is much better than him so definitely he will give way and will play as a backup role with of course still having a isolation plays with him. He is the one who will landed to Cavaliers and not Lebron who will land to his currenet team(if ever) that's why there is no pride involved here and it will not be hard for that chemistry to build. Remember Dwayne Wade? He is at his peak when Lebron came but look what happened even prior to that season of Miami Heat's Big 3, there is some question about how chemistry will be build on that team. That's what Im seeing too. It's impossible that Melo will not changed his behaviour as lead player if ever he will be traded to Cavaliers. He already knows what to do and I don' think chemistry will be a problem. Same with their rookie classmate, Dwayne Wade, Lebron and Carmelo knows their style already. They became teammates several times already in All-Star games, FIBA events and Olympic that's why I don't see any problem to that chemistry.
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I have a hunch that lebron and carmelo will be not in a chemistry and they will not perform their best if they are in a tag team. I think what cleveland needs is a good point guard like kyrie.
That is what i'm thinking too. Knowing that Lebron isn't the man who would give up the no.1 spot to his team mate, or the main start I should say. Not unless Melo would be fine as a secondary role and everything will be fine. Melo knows that Lebron is much better than him so definitely he will give way and will play as a backup role with of course still having a isolation plays with him. He is the one who will landed to Cavaliers and not Lebron who will land to his currenet team(if ever) that's why there is no pride involved here and it will not be hard for that chemistry to build. Remember Dwayne Wade? He is at his peak when Lebron came but look what happened even prior to that season of Miami Heat's Big 3, there is some question about how chemistry will be build on that team. That's what Im seeing too. It's impossible that Melo will not changed his behaviour as lead player if ever he will be traded to Cavaliers. He already knows what to do and I don' think chemistry will be a problem. Same with their rookie classmate, Dwayne Wade, Lebron and Carmelo knows their style already. They became teammates several times already in All-Star games, FIBA events and Olympic that's why I don't see any problem to that chemistry. from what i concluded is that Lebron didn't like playing for the cavs when they couldn't sogn either Butler or Paul George, so his camp put out the trade request to try and then put the blame on Kyrie when it is actually Lebron's instability in making clear decisions that is making team goes apart. His refusal to commit to the team has made Kyrie ask for a trade and also has even Melo not wanting to go there now the knicks may still not found the best deal yet but they will if a team pushes harder to get him so Cleaveland need to work faster to stay at the top and get to the finals one more time before their time ends
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August 03, 2017, 10:56:43 AM |
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I have a hunch that lebron and carmelo will be not in a chemistry and they will not perform their best if they are in a tag team. I think what cleveland needs is a good point guard like kyrie.
That is what i'm thinking too. Knowing that Lebron isn't the man who would give up the no.1 spot to his team mate, or the main start I should say. Not unless Melo would be fine as a secondary role and everything will be fine. Melo knows that Lebron is much better than him so definitely he will give way and will play as a backup role with of course still having a isolation plays with him. He is the one who will landed to Cavaliers and not Lebron who will land to his currenet team(if ever) that's why there is no pride involved here and it will not be hard for that chemistry to build. Remember Dwayne Wade? He is at his peak when Lebron came but look what happened even prior to that season of Miami Heat's Big 3, there is some question about how chemistry will be build on that team. That's what Im seeing too. It's impossible that Melo will not changed his behaviour as lead player if ever he will be traded to Cavaliers. He already knows what to do and I don' think chemistry will be a problem. Same with their rookie classmate, Dwayne Wade, Lebron and Carmelo knows their style already. They became teammates several times already in All-Star games, FIBA events and Olympic that's why I don't see any problem to that chemistry. from what i concluded is that Lebron didn't like playing for the cavs when they couldn't sogn either Butler or Paul George, so his camp put out the trade request to try and then put the blame on Kyrie when it is actually Lebron's instability in making clear decisions that is making team goes apart. His refusal to commit to the team has made Kyrie ask for a trade and also has even Melo not wanting to go there now the knicks may still not found the best deal yet but they will if a team pushes harder to get him so Cleaveland need to work faster to stay at the top and get to the finals one more time before their time ends I think Kyrie's decision to ask for a trade didn't hinge on whatever decision Lebron will make. Kyrie just doesn't want to play with Lebron and the Cavs anymore. Plain and simple. He wants to be the man on his own team, and that is impossible to happen as long as he is alongside Lebron. On the Carmelo issue, I think I read somewhere that he is willing to be traded but definitely not to the Cavs, because he knows that he might get stuck in a bad situation once the superstars become free agents in 2018.
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@DIA7 You have a nice thoughts there. But may I know where sources it came from? Or just an own analyzation of yours? He wants to be the man on his own team, and that is impossible to happen as long as he is alongside Lebron. 2018.
Kyrie is forgetting something if his goal is to lead a team. He must remember that Kyrie owned Cleveland didnt make it to the playoffs even at 8th spot for years before Lebron James arrival. They suffer worst record for many season and you can't blame his teammate here because they are not the only one who have the worst roster on the East back then. Ok let's see then. If he think he can lead a team now after those years then he must prove it to avoid critisicm.
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@DIA7 You have a nice thoughts there. But may I know where sources it came from? Or just an own analyzation of yours? He wants to be the man on his own team, and that is impossible to happen as long as he is alongside Lebron. 2018.
Kyrie is forgetting something if his goal is to lead a team. He must remember that Kyrie owned Cleveland didnt make it to the playoffs even at 8th spot for years before Lebron James arrival. They suffer worst record for many season and you can't blame his teammate here because they are not the only one who have the worst roster on the East back then. Ok let's see then. If he think he can lead a team now after those years then he must prove it to avoid critisicm. We are talking about a Kyrie Irving led Cleveland Cavaliers during his 2nd years and 3rd year as a pro in the NBA and you are expecting him to lead the team and make it to the playoffs without the help another player? From what I know Kyrie Irving is only one player and you are expecting him to make you go into playoffs even if he is the number 1 overall pick it does not mean he can be carrying the team without any help.
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@DIA7 You have a nice thoughts there. But may I know where sources it came from? Or just an own analyzation of yours? He wants to be the man on his own team, and that is impossible to happen as long as he is alongside Lebron. 2018.
Kyrie is forgetting something if his goal is to lead a team.He must remember that Kyrie owned Cleveland didnt make it to the playoffs even at 8th spot for years before Lebron James arrival. They suffer worst record for many season and you can't blame his teammate here because they are not the only one who have the worst roster on the East back then. Ok let's see then. If he think he can lead a team now after those years then he must prove it to avoid critisicm. We are talking about a Kyrie Irving led Cleveland Cavaliers during his 2nd years and 3rd year as a pro in the NBA and you are expecting him to lead the team and make it to the playoffs without the help another player? From what I know Kyrie Irving is only one player and you are expecting him to make you go into playoffs even if he is the number 1 overall pick it does not mean he can be carrying the team without any help. You clearly not getting the picture of what Im trying to point out. We are talking about East teams mate where going to 8th spot here is kinda more reachable than on the teams on the West if we based on those season I will mentioned below. Disregard him being the No. 1 overall pick as Im pointing about leading the team. 2011-2012 Season - Cavaliers finished at 13th spot on the East 2012-2013 Season - Cavaliers finished at 13th spot on the East 2014-2015 Season - Cavaliers finished at 10th spot on the East Now do some reviews about their lineup back then and tell me if you can considered that as a weak team and can't compete with the East teams. That's why like I said to avoid criticism, after getting much more improvement he must show to everyone that he can now lead a team. (THIS WILL ONLY APPLIED IF THAT IS REALLY HIS GOAL FOR TRADE REQUEST)
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@DIA7 You have a nice thoughts there. But may I know where sources it came from? Or just an own analyzation of yours? He wants to be the man on his own team, and that is impossible to happen as long as he is alongside Lebron. 2018.
Kyrie is forgetting something if his goal is to lead a team. He must remember that Kyrie owned Cleveland didnt make it to the playoffs even at 8th spot for years before Lebron James arrival. They suffer worst record for many season and you can't blame his teammate here because they are not the only one who have the worst roster on the East back then. Ok let's see then. If he think he can lead a team now after those years then he must prove it to avoid critisicm. I love Kyrie as a Cavs fan but I remember those days and you are absolutely right. Granted the team was lacking a lot of talent with Waiters and Thompson (who were terrible back then) and roster full of unknowns. You forgot to mention something more recent and verifiable, Irving couldn't even led the Cavs when Lebron was out during these last years. The Cavs record when Lebron missed games is atrocious to the point that it's even on par or worse than those older campaigns. Kyrie is not a leader that's for sure but he's trying to carve his own path, he's very young and I'm sure he can do it but he hasn't proven that yet.
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@DIA7 You have a nice thoughts there. But may I know where sources it came from? Or just an own analyzation of yours? He wants to be the man on his own team, and that is impossible to happen as long as he is alongside Lebron. 2018.
Kyrie is forgetting something if his goal is to lead a team. He must remember that Kyrie owned Cleveland didnt make it to the playoffs even at 8th spot for years before Lebron James arrival. They suffer worst record for many season and you can't blame his teammate here because they are not the only one who have the worst roster on the East back then. Ok let's see then. If he think he can lead a team now after those years then he must prove it to avoid critisicm. I love Kyrie as a Cavs fan but I remember those days and you are absolutely right. Granted the team was lacking a lot of talent with Waiters and Thompson (who were terrible back then) and roster full of unknowns. You forgot to mention something more recent and verifiable, Irving couldn't even led the Cavs when Lebron was out during these last years. The Cavs record when Lebron missed games is atrocious to the point that it's even on par or worse than those older campaigns. Kyrie is not a leader that's for sure but he's trying to carve his own path, he's very young and I'm sure he can do it but he hasn't proven that yet. Well it may be beyond simply having his own team. I don't think kyrie's that dumb to think that he can carry a team to the status of the current cavs. Yeah he's matured more than that kid trying to carry his team but i think he's just feeling he needs to move or or he wants change. Who knows, at this stage he may be able to carry his own team on ti the off season. He's not the same as before so i think he is capable of carrying a team
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You forgot to mention something more recent and verifiable, Irving couldn't even led the Cavs when Lebron was out during these last years. The Cavs record when Lebron missed games is atrocious to the point that it's even on par or worse than those older campaigns. Kyrie is not a leader that's for sure but he's trying to carve his own path, he's very young and I'm sure he can do it but he hasn't proven that yet.
Oh that's right why I missed it lol. One of the good example here is the Cavaliers worst record when Lebron James is out of the court. It was also being discussed this recent season because it was really noticeable that Cavaliers aren't playing well without (only) Lebron James. But then things must changed now because Kyrie will surely left. And like I said, Kyrie must prove it's leadership next season to avoid taking criticism too much.
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You forgot to mention something more recent and verifiable, Irving couldn't even led the Cavs when Lebron was out during these last years. The Cavs record when Lebron missed games is atrocious to the point that it's even on par or worse than those older campaigns. Kyrie is not a leader that's for sure but he's trying to carve his own path, he's very young and I'm sure he can do it but he hasn't proven that yet.
Oh that's right why I missed it lol. One of the good example here is the Cavaliers worst record when Lebron James is out of the court. It was also being discussed this recent season because it was really noticeable that Cavaliers aren't playing well without (only) Lebron James. But then things must changed now because Kyrie will surely left. And like I said, Kyrie must prove it's leadership next season to avoid taking criticism too much. Something must happened internally with Lebron or who knows because I think he should have stay at least one more year. There's a strong case saying that Lebron will leave next year so that way the Cavs would be in full rebuilding mode (maybe forever if Lebron leaves again). Now it's all up in the air and the Cavs have to find a good trade for him without a lot of time or assets. But well, we can't blame him, his heart is already elsewhere, he wants to start something on his own and he already won a championship. To me that's pretty respectable compared to Durant decision for example...
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You forgot to mention something more recent and verifiable, Irving couldn't even led the Cavs when Lebron was out during these last years. The Cavs record when Lebron missed games is atrocious to the point that it's even on par or worse than those older campaigns. Kyrie is not a leader that's for sure but he's trying to carve his own path, he's very young and I'm sure he can do it but he hasn't proven that yet.
Oh that's right why I missed it lol. One of the good example here is the Cavaliers worst record when Lebron James is out of the court. It was also being discussed this recent season because it was really noticeable that Cavaliers aren't playing well without (only) Lebron James. But then things must changed now because Kyrie will surely left. And like I said, Kyrie must prove it's leadership next season to avoid taking criticism too much. Exactly, he hasn't proved anything without in Cavaliers when there's no Lebron James yet. That's is why I think there is a really compelling reason for him leaving the Cavs when there chances are still strong to challenge for the title next year. Their big 3 is still comparable (He, James, Love) and strong as far as I'm concern. I'm also a fan but to be honest, I don't think he can be a one man team, he needs others as what Durant do, to be able to get another ring. Maybe went he finally went out of Cavs organization that we gonna really know what's the score between him and Lebron or him and Cavs management that drove him to go out and don't want to stay anymore.
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August 04, 2017, 09:56:42 PM |
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You forgot to mention something more recent and verifiable, Irving couldn't even led the Cavs when Lebron was out during these last years. The Cavs record when Lebron missed games is atrocious to the point that it's even on par or worse than those older campaigns. Kyrie is not a leader that's for sure but he's trying to carve his own path, he's very young and I'm sure he can do it but he hasn't proven that yet.
Oh that's right why I missed it lol. One of the good example here is the Cavaliers worst record when Lebron James is out of the court. It was also being discussed this recent season because it was really noticeable that Cavaliers aren't playing well without (only) Lebron James. But then things must changed now because Kyrie will surely left. And like I said, Kyrie must prove it's leadership next season to avoid taking criticism too much. Exactly, he hasn't proved anything without in Cavaliers when there's no Lebron James yet. That's is why I think there is a really compelling reason for him leaving the Cavs when there chances are still strong to challenge for the title next year. Their big 3 is still comparable (He, James, Love) and strong as far as I'm concern. I'm also a fan but to be honest, I don't think he can be a one man team, he needs others as what Durant do, to be able to get another ring. Maybe went he finally went out of Cavs organization that we gonna really know what's the score between him and Lebron or him and Cavs management that drove him to go out and don't want to stay anymore. The same with Lebron. Cavs won't be good without Kyrie. Did Lebron lift the Cavs to get a ring before? No, that's why he move to Miami. Lebron can't lift the team all the way to get a ring. He also need others. You can't get a ring without a good team mate along side with you or a good superstar I shoud say.
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August 04, 2017, 11:30:40 PM |
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You forgot to mention something more recent and verifiable, Irving couldn't even led the Cavs when Lebron was out during these last years. The Cavs record when Lebron missed games is atrocious to the point that it's even on par or worse than those older campaigns. Kyrie is not a leader that's for sure but he's trying to carve his own path, he's very young and I'm sure he can do it but he hasn't proven that yet.
Oh that's right why I missed it lol. One of the good example here is the Cavaliers worst record when Lebron James is out of the court. It was also being discussed this recent season because it was really noticeable that Cavaliers aren't playing well without (only) Lebron James. But then things must changed now because Kyrie will surely left. And like I said, Kyrie must prove it's leadership next season to avoid taking criticism too much. Exactly, he hasn't proved anything without in Cavaliers when there's no Lebron James yet. That's is why I think there is a really compelling reason for him leaving the Cavs when there chances are still strong to challenge for the title next year. Their big 3 is still comparable (He, James, Love) and strong as far as I'm concern. I'm also a fan but to be honest, I don't think he can be a one man team, he needs others as what Durant do, to be able to get another ring. Maybe went he finally went out of Cavs organization that we gonna really know what's the score between him and Lebron or him and Cavs management that drove him to go out and don't want to stay anymore. The same with Lebron. Cavs won't be good without Kyrie. Did Lebron lift the Cavs to get a ring before? No, that's why he move to Miami. Lebron can't lift the team all the way to get a ring. He also need others. You can't get a ring without a good team mate along side with you or a good superstar I shoud say. You cannot compare a lebron before and the current lebron, he is a much improve player now who can play any position in the floor, also he is more matured and can provide good leadership to his team. If Kyrie will leave the team, then so what, there are still a lot of good players that will surely will accept his rule just to have a chance to win a championship.
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Detroit Pistons also interested in acquiring Kyrie Irving as well so the drama still goes on: A person with knowledge of the Pistons’ front office told the Free Press recently that the organization is interested in the four-time NBA All-Star, who nailed the winning shot to clinch the 2016 NBA title for the Cavs. Just last month, ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski reported that roughly 20 teams were interested in Irving, so this report just confirms Detroit is one of those. The Pistons took a step back last season after promise the year before. With Reggie Jackson battling injuries early on, he never truly hit his stride while Andre Drummond took a step back nearly all-around. It’s resulted in both of these previously thought of franchise cornerstones being involved in trade rumors. Drummond is certainly the most intriguing trade prospect the Pistons would have to peak the Cavs’ interest. Cleveland may even want Jackson as well in a hypothetical deal, or a young prospect like Stanley Johnson. It will be interesting to see if the Pistons can make any ground with the Cavs on a deal for Irving or if this is as far as the story goes. https://clutchpoints.com/pistons-rumors-detroit-interested-acquiring-kyrie-irving-cavs/
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August 05, 2017, 11:34:21 PM |
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Miami would be a perfect fit for Kyrie, they've got good bigs there. Kyrie would be complete their missing piece.
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August 06, 2017, 03:11:12 AM |
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You forgot to mention something more recent and verifiable, Irving couldn't even led the Cavs when Lebron was out during these last years. The Cavs record when Lebron missed games is atrocious to the point that it's even on par or worse than those older campaigns. Kyrie is not a leader that's for sure but he's trying to carve his own path, he's very young and I'm sure he can do it but he hasn't proven that yet.
Oh that's right why I missed it lol. One of the good example here is the Cavaliers worst record when Lebron James is out of the court. It was also being discussed this recent season because it was really noticeable that Cavaliers aren't playing well without (only) Lebron James. But then things must changed now because Kyrie will surely left. And like I said, Kyrie must prove it's leadership next season to avoid taking criticism too much. Exactly, he hasn't proved anything without in Cavaliers when there's no Lebron James yet. That's is why I think there is a really compelling reason for him leaving the Cavs when there chances are still strong to challenge for the title next year. Their big 3 is still comparable (He, James, Love) and strong as far as I'm concern. I'm also a fan but to be honest, I don't think he can be a one man team, he needs others as what Durant do, to be able to get another ring. Maybe went he finally went out of Cavs organization that we gonna really know what's the score between him and Lebron or him and Cavs management that drove him to go out and don't want to stay anymore. The same with Lebron. Cavs won't be good without Kyrie. Did Lebron lift the Cavs to get a ring before? No, that's why he move to Miami. Lebron can't lift the team all the way to get a ring. He also need others. You can't get a ring without a good team mate along side with you or a good superstar I shoud say. You cannot compare a lebron before and the current lebron, he is a much improve player now who can play any position in the floor, also he is more matured and can provide good leadership to his team. If Kyrie will leave the team, then so what, there are still a lot of good players that will surely will accept his rule just to have a chance to win a championship. Lebron indeed has the quality of a good leader, though the intensity the Kyrie gives in every game brings much more energy to the whole team. Yes, there are a lot of good players out there that can replace him though It's still a huge loss for the Cavs if they let Kyrie go. But the bright side of that is they can free up some slot to strengthen their bench. Adding to that as D. Rose arrival in Cavs could lessen the drama of Kyrie's possible departure. D.Rose is a quality player and also could contribute as much as Kyrie does. Though, I'm just hoping that he could at least finish the season without having a season ending injury. I think that Lebron and Rose chemistry would click, as Rose can basically lower down his intensity of playing to avoid injury and let Lebron and the rest to do the work.
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August 06, 2017, 05:43:48 AM |
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Miami would be a perfect fit for Kyrie, they've got good bigs there. Kyrie would be complete their missing piece.
yeah right if kyrie will go to miami he can be a big lift for them as kyrie wants to be star on its own and he needed some help out from promising young guns if ever this deal can be complete east would a much interested playoffs unlike with the previous season where we knew that cavs will still go and advance to the finals.
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