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June 07, 2023, 04:06:36 AM
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Honestly if Murray never blew out his knee they would have been top contenders for the last couple of years.  The heat have been the most underrated team the last couple of years.  They look terrible during the season then turn it on in the playoffs.  They have no superstars (yeah I'm not buying Jimmy is a superstar) but are the epitome of a full team.  Denver is set to win unless Miami can stay hot from beyond 3.  If they aren't a 3 point threat it will be tough for them to spread the floor.

I understand they're quite very underrated a lot especially in the regular season despite their impressive record, that's 3rd best record in the regular season, but it was just the same thing that happened to Golden State Warriors when Klay Thompson was also out injured for that long spell and the Warriors struggled a whole lot, but it took them less than 2 years after Thompson became very fit to claim another championship, I really do respect this Denver Nuggets team, because Jokic makes them a every dynamic team, he's actually the main reason they look terrific, If you double/triple team him he makes top quality passes with relative ease, having good shooters wide open and when you don't close in on him quick enough he's also able to shoot table in a terrific whether mid range or from behind the arc, he's also a monster in the paint. So, stopping Jokic would be the only way to first limit the Denver Nuggets, and that's almost an impossible task to handle.

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June 07, 2023, 08:22:19 AM
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Just because Miami won one doesn't mean that they will be great, just because Nuggets won one that doesn't mean they will be great neither. There is no "figured out" situation right now, it's a tie and not even 3-3, it's 1-1 yet and we yet to see a lot of games left. I do not think that any team will win 4-1, which means that we are going to see plenty more games.

Let's see how it will look by the end and I think it's quite important to remember that both of these teams reached to finals beating teams that beat all other teams so these are the best of this season and it would be very impossible to judge them based on 2 games or just their seeds. Betting is incredibly difficult when we are talking about just finals, it's always a big unknown what's going to happen.

Lets also not forget that these two teams are both Conference Finals contenders in the bubble. None of them got lucky, both did it the hard way and they might as well end it on that kind of tenacity.
Both teams will not give up, I am sure about that. Miami Heat might be the underdog in the eyes of a lot of people but they showed how they should not be underestimated anymore.
I think this will defend on whose fan will we be.
I am a big fan of the Joker so I will stick with Denver Nuggets. When it comes to gambling, it will be different, if the spreads went up again in favor of the Miami Heat then I might be for them.
I am not expecting a blowout game anymore with how the Heat played. They also showed their weapons and it was damn amazing.

Honestly if Murray never blew out his knee they would have been top contenders for the last couple of years.  The heat have been the most underrated team the last couple of years.  They look terrible during the season then turn it on in the playoffs.  They have no superstars (yeah I'm not buying Jimmy is a superstar) but are the epitome of a full team.  Denver is set to win unless Miami can stay hot from beyond 3.  If they aren't a 3 point threat it will be tough for them to spread the floor.
Might be, there's a lot of what if if Murray would have remain healthy it might be a different Nuggets team. Nevertheless, Jokic has carried them while Murray was out and to some extend, Michael Porter Jr as well with his back spasm. So it pushes Jokic to be great even winning back to back MVPs.

But Murray is healthy and it's good that the Nuggets never traded him as coach Malone said that Murray once said to him that it's over for him when he blew his knees and that he will be traded, but he was assured that he was not now, they are in the finals. Great story but indeed they need to win this one for their franchise.

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June 07, 2023, 08:55:01 AM
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yeah, Jokic can't do it alone, and it is boiling down to who, if anyone, will be there to help and score points
Miami has a good team spirit, probably better (if not best in the league) coach, but they are tired as well, so it will not be easy, especially if series goes to games 6 or 7, and I doubt Miami can have a winning strike

on the other side, Denver could have a winning strike, even in away matches, IMO

Obviously, the Denver Nuggets have the upper hand in this series and the Heat is the underdog which will cost them to double their performance and effort to get a single win every game. In game 3 tomorrow, we will see a huge adjustment from the Nuggets because they can't afford to lose game 3 because they might be in trouble if they cannot steal the show on the Heat's home court because the Miami Heat has been known to play smart that's what exactly they've done when they defeated their opponents in the playoff this year. they keep attacking no matter how many points their opponent leads they have a never-say-die mindset in every game which is why their games are always the best especially in the 4th quarter when the score is close.

It's quite risky for the Nuggets as they don't play well on the road compared to their home court. If they lose on their home court, there's a chance that the Heat could defeat the Nuggets again on their home court. That's the reason why the Heat are only slight underdogs, and I believe the pressure is now on the Denver Nuggets. You are right, they need to win game 3 to regain their confidence as they cannot afford to be down 3-1 back on their home court.

Denver might be better at home but Miami is also not unbeatable on their home court.

Against Boston they lost 2 games at home , one of them was a blowout. So you never knew what's coming next. I think it's gonna be a close game where Denver at the end will take back home court advantage.

They had the game under control before the 4th quarter in game 2, that's the only thing they did badly.
In Miami they will have to prove that they can win the 4th as well, closing out a game is the most crucial part of a game so some adjustments have to and will be made by coach Malone, I am sure.


Yeah, they are not good at home, but I think this is a different game for them, they have a good chance to take the lead in this series and with a win or two, they will take a good lead going back into the Denver's homecourt.

So they know the importance of game 3 and game 4, if game 2 is crucial, the next 2 games might be as important as we might see who will be the likely team that is going to win the NBA championship for this year. And we have seen that the Heat has adjusted beautifully in game 2, so we might see a new surprises in game 3 at their home court.

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June 07, 2023, 09:30:18 AM
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I know the Miami Heat won the last game, but I just don't see them winning any more than one more throughout this series.  I guess I would be foolish to count them out, like I and many others have throughout the entire playoffs, but I just think Denver is that much better.

Game is at -2.5 Denver right now, I'm liking those odds, even if they are in Miami.

That was their thought after what happened in game 1 but to spice things up look at what the Heat have done. they are not gonna give up easily until the last minute f the game and they ended up winning the second game. if they improve their game tomorrow and do not let Denver make a huge lead throughout the game, then they will do the same scenario where they gonna hassle in the fourth quarter and steal the show as they had in the second game.

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June 07, 2023, 10:24:20 AM
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And I think that's good for the Nuggets to remain favorite, I mean the Heat said that it doesn't manner, as long as they got the job done, just like what they did in game 2, they are ok being the underdog (and that's what has been happening since their game 1 playoff game against the Bucks).

So let's see what is going to happen in game 3, the Heat wanted to get the upper hand now and the momentum and take a 2-1 lead. They have now the home court advantage and just imagine winning 2 at their home, they will be up 3-1 and will have total control of the series, just like against the Celtics wherein they storm the gate and go 3-0.
Yeah, but they failed to keep the gate closed after storming it. This is going to be an unpredictable series after the Miami Heat won in the Denver Nuggets homecourt. Somehow, there are now NBA fans that believe in them and one of them is my friend who doesn't even want to get a handicap even though I offered one. He said the Miami Heat will win but I am a Jokic fan so I am betting for the Nuggets. I like his certainty about the Heat winning Game 3 but it's not like the Nuggets will just let them take the lead after they stole one from their home.
I bet the Nuggets will try to get some revenge by taking one from the Heat too and then Game 4 will be another unpredictable game. That's more fun than being a one-sided match and I love it.

Miami's game 1 lose makes fans doubt if they can win against nuggets, but they prove on game two that even though they are been called as underdog still they have capabilities to defeat Nuggets on this series. And since Game 3 will be in their home court for sure there will be a lot of confidence for Miami's roster and provably they are well prepared to perform the same and defeat Nuggets again. But also for sure Nuggets will adjust the phase and for sure game 3 will be a good head to head battle between them.
For me it all comes to Denver can there be someone who can assist Jokic and they will win it. They need 1 or 2 more guys to have their night so they can secure a win. It's Denvers series to lose.

There's a lot of guy can do that but maybe its just a bad night for Denver since we don't see big actions with them last game 2. Also the lead us not huge so most provably that we can see a more physical game because they want to take the momentum of the game to stretch out or even win this final series. There's so many things to speculate on game 3 and excited to know which team gonna take this win. But I'm going to bet on Denver this time.

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June 07, 2023, 11:55:48 AM
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I know the Miami Heat won the last game, but I just don't see them winning any more than one more throughout this series.  I guess I would be foolish to count them out, like I and many others have throughout the entire playoffs, but I just think Denver is that much better.

Game is at -2.5 Denver right now, I'm liking those odds, even if they are in Miami.

That was their thought after what happened in game 1 but to spice things up look at what the Heat have done. they are not gonna give up easily until the last minute f the game and they ended up winning the second game. if they improve their game tomorrow and do not let Denver make a huge lead throughout the game, then they will do the same scenario where they gonna hassle in the fourth quarter and steal the show as they had in the second game.

We cannot predict the outcome of the game with certainty. In my opinion, it's not just about which team is better, but also a battle between the coaches. I believe Coach Spo is a strong coach who excels at making in-game adjustments. While I may be wrong, I don't guarantee that Miami will win. However, judging by their performance in Game 2, even with Butler not scoring well, I anticipate that they will pose a significant challenge to the Nuggets.

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June 07, 2023, 12:30:35 PM
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Also, they should let Tyler Herro play in game 3. I mean, he has been a good piece of the Heat franchise, I don't think he'll mess up with the Heat's momentum. If Herro is playing, the Nuggets will also have to adjust their game as he is an offensive threat.


Sure, a healthy Herro has good offensive skills, and the Heat clearly needs him, although we shouldn't expect him to be able to score 20-30 points in his first game back from injury. Moreover, it's worth noting that there's still no exact date for his return. As far as I know, Herro will definitely miss Game 3 as he still hasn't been cleared by the Heat's medical staff.

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June 07, 2023, 12:42:22 PM
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Also, they should let Tyler Herro play in game 3. I mean, he has been a good piece of the Heat franchise, I don't think he'll mess up with the Heat's momentum. If Herro is playing, the Nuggets will also have to adjust their game as he is an offensive threat.


Sure, a healthy Herro has good offensive skills, and the Heat clearly needs him, although we shouldn't expect him to be able to score 20-30 points in his first game back from injury. Moreover, it's worth noting that there's still no exact date for his return. As far as I know, Herro will definitely miss Game 3 as he still hasn't been cleared by the Heat's medical staff.

Herro does not want to disrupt the chemistry that the Heat have already built, so he himself is also doubtful about whether he will play despite being capable of doing so. It still depends on the outcome of tomorrow's game. If the Heat were to win, it would prove that they don't need Herro to secure a victory. Besides, the Heat already have a lot of shooters, and Robinson has been exceptional thus far.

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June 07, 2023, 02:46:21 PM
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Tyler Herro is still not ready to go so why take a risk. This is only game 3 of a best of 7 series. If he plays in game 3 and makes the injury worse he might miss the rest of the finals -> not smart.

The rest of the NBA is slowly moving towards the next season as well.

Kyrie supposedly asked Lebron to maybe consider a trade to Dalles to reunite there, that's some funny thought.
But having 3 ball dominant guys with Lebron, Kyrie and Luka on 1 team, doesn't make sense.

Dallas also doesn't have their next year's draft pick to maybe draft Bronny.

Dwight Howard is also bringing himself in the conversation to return to the NBA. Now that he is a 3 point shooter ( don't know if you guys saw him play in Taiwan ), maybe some team might consider to put him on the roster. He wants to join the Kings for some reason and help them winning a chip.  Grin

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Well, it's according to Herro himself that it might disrupt the rhythm of his team if he rushes there, maybe he should sit until everything is fine. He can play with a very limited minutes though but I don't think he's cleared to play as well, he might have joined the practice but I think that's all there is to it.

I think it will be a disaster if LeBron will join the Dallas, Luka can do it but sad that they lost a lot of good role players on that Kyrie trade. For Howard, I think that's ridiculous that he'll be back to NBA after that hilarious roll trying to recruit NBA players to Taiwan.
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June 07, 2023, 03:10:39 PM
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Honestly if Murray never blew out his knee they would have been top contenders for the last couple of years.  The heat have been the most underrated team the last couple of years.  They look terrible during the season then turn it on in the playoffs.  They have no superstars (yeah I'm not buying Jimmy is a superstar) but are the epitome of a full team.  Denver is set to win unless Miami can stay hot from beyond 3.  If they aren't a 3 point threat it will be tough for them to spread the floor.
That's correct and also MPJ had back issues that made him miss a lot of games. Jokic had not much help and he still took the Nuggets in the playoffs for the last couple of years.
About the Miami Heat, yeah, what if Max Struss won't have the same hot hands as he has in Game 2? That will be a big problem for the Miami Heat. They started strong because of them but I am imagining that the Nuggets will be the ones who will have a good start. I bet it will be big trouble for the home team this Game 3. The Miami Heat should not let that happen if they want one more win. Do not let Murray get hot, try to stop Jokic as much as possible and the roleplayers should keep an eye on KCP and MPJ. Those two fueling the outside shot are a big threat to them.
Thankfully, they played great defense in Game 2 and many turnovers for the Nuggets happened, I cannot even count it anymore but I doubt that will happen again after they watch the tape.

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Nice to see Zion posting pictures with his future baby's mother, but I have to wonder if he's serious about actually playing in the NBA.  While I am a huge fan of Zion and think if he could keep his weight in check he has the potential to be a hall of famer, it seems like he just doesn't care.  Maybe that's just the outside looking in, but he just doesn't seem like he has that "dog" in him.  I think he's perfectly happy complaining about injuries and collecting checks while partying and watching his team struggle without him.  It makes me wonder how he got this far, but it's clear his goal was to make a lot of money in the NBA, not win championships.

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June 07, 2023, 05:14:29 PM
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Also, they should let Tyler Herro play in game 3. I mean, he has been a good piece of the Heat franchise, I don't think he'll mess up with the Heat's momentum. If Herro is playing, the Nuggets will also have to adjust their game as he is an offensive threat.


Sure, a healthy Herro has good offensive skills, and the Heat clearly needs him, although we shouldn't expect him to be able to score 20-30 points in his first game back from injury. Moreover, it's worth noting that there's still no exact date for his return. As far as I know, Herro will definitely miss Game 3 as he still hasn't been cleared by the Heat's medical staff.

Herro does not want to disrupt the chemistry that the Heat have already built, so he himself is also doubtful about whether he will play despite being capable of doing so. It still depends on the outcome of tomorrow's game. If the Heat were to win, it would prove that they don't need Herro to secure a victory. Besides, the Heat already have a lot of shooters, and Robinson has been exceptional thus far.

Yes, I very much agree with you on that one. Tyler Herro may bring some help for his team but that is not really guaranteed especially in their situation right now that the Miami Heat is already on the last and final phase before grabbing the championship. I know that he wants to help and play but considering what's going on with the Heat now, he will be more helpful in the sideline cheering for his team rather than playing and risks destroying the chemistry that everybody has built.

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I know the Miami Heat won the last game, but I just don't see them winning any more than one more throughout this series.  I guess I would be foolish to count them out, like I and many others have throughout the entire playoffs, but I just think Denver is that much better.

Game is at -2.5 Denver right now, I'm liking those odds, even if they are in Miami.

That was their thought after what happened in game 1 but to spice things up look at what the Heat have done. they are not gonna give up easily until the last minute f the game and they ended up winning the second game. if they improve their game tomorrow and do not let Denver make a huge lead throughout the game, then they will do the same scenario where they gonna hassle in the fourth quarter and steal the show as they had in the second game.

We cannot predict the outcome of the game with certainty. In my opinion, it's not just about which team is better, but also a battle between the coaches. I believe Coach Spo is a strong coach who excels at making in-game adjustments. While I may be wrong, I don't guarantee that Miami will win. However, judging by their performance in Game 2, even with Butler not scoring well, I anticipate that they will pose a significant challenge to the Nuggets.

And they successfully did because they have manage to defeat the Denver Nuggets and secured their first win in Game 2 at Denver which is very wild thing to do. While coach Spoelstra is good when it comes to adjustments, let's also expect that their will be a backlash from coach Malone as he will not just sit around doing nothing after what happened in Game 2 and let other teams dominated them after having a game advantage.
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June 07, 2023, 05:39:51 PM
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Herro does not want to disrupt the chemistry that the Heat have already built, so he himself is also doubtful about whether he will play despite being capable of doing so. It still depends on the outcome of tomorrow's game. If the Heat were to win, it would prove that they don't need Herro to secure a victory. Besides, the Heat already have a lot of shooters, and Robinson has been exceptional thus far.
Yes, I very much agree with you on that one. Tyler Herro may bring some help for his team but that is not really guaranteed especially in their situation right now that the Miami Heat is already on the last and final phase before grabbing the championship. I know that he wants to help and play but considering what's going on with the Heat now, he will be more helpful in the sideline cheering for his team rather than playing and risks destroying the chemistry that everybody has built.

I think what they have done so far has been working well. So there is actually no big need to make changes in the team. Just keep the meaning combinations as long as it is working. Changes may bring in some problems. Of course, there is a thing about the chemistry between the players. That should not be disrupted at any cost. I do not actually see the need as well. I would say only make a change if it is absolutely necessary otherwise don't. But at the same time if they do make some changes and Herro does play and also does very well it is going to change the perspective. But is it a risk worth taking?

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June 07, 2023, 05:55:12 PM
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Looks like Adam Silver will be announcing a 30-game suspension for Ja Morant as soon as the Finals are over.  Pretty crazy to me.  I understand that the NBA has been trying to distance itself from guns and gun violence for years now.  Remember before the Wizards were the Wizards?  Remember the Gilbert Arenas incident that destroyed his promising career?  Clearly, the NBA has taken a no-nonsense policy when it comes to guns.

However, Ja flashing a gun in the background of someone else's video, so long as it is legal, seems like a bit of an overreach.  Although it wasn't his first incident, so maybe the league made it clear this is what would happen with a second incident.

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June 07, 2023, 06:15:30 PM
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Just because Miami won one doesn't mean that they will be great, just because Nuggets won one that doesn't mean they will be great neither. There is no "figured out" situation right now, it's a tie and not even 3-3, it's 1-1 yet and we yet to see a lot of games left. I do not think that any team will win 4-1, which means that we are going to see plenty more games.

Let's see how it will look by the end and I think it's quite important to remember that both of these teams reached to finals beating teams that beat all other teams so these are the best of this season and it would be very impossible to judge them based on 2 games or just their seeds. Betting is incredibly difficult when we are talking about just finals, it's always a big unknown what's going to happen.

Lets also not forget that these two teams are both Conference Finals contenders in the bubble. None of them got lucky, both did it the hard way and they might as well end it on that kind of tenacity.
Both teams will not give up, I am sure about that. Miami Heat might be the underdog in the eyes of a lot of people but they showed how they should not be underestimated anymore.
I think this will defend on whose fan will we be.
I am a big fan of the Joker so I will stick with Denver Nuggets. When it comes to gambling, it will be different, if the spreads went up again in favor of the Miami Heat then I might be for them.
I am not expecting a blowout game anymore with how the Heat played. They also showed their weapons and it was damn amazing.
Unquestionably, the indefatigability exhibited by both contingents has been tangible, has it not? Their progressions have been far from facile, epitomizing a level of perseverance potent enough to shatter an adamantine wedge. We must take into account their commendable performances in the Conference Finals. Beyond dispute, neither of the teams ascended to this stage by the simple roll of the dice. They exerted, engaged in combat, and now, they find themselves in a face-to-face confrontation.

True, the Miami Heat may not be the favorite in the court of public opinion, yet they've substantiated that they're far from being mere pawns. They've indeed garnered some much-deserved reverence. On the subject of reverence, your staunch support for the Nuggets and your esteem for the Joker is commendable, irrespective of the prevailing betting probabilities.

The prevailing anticipation is for a series of neck-and-neck contests, not a unilateral trouncing by either team. Both factions have their ordnance at the ready. It is set to be an intriguing encounter, one that will indelibly etch itself in the chronicles of sporting history.

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June 07, 2023, 08:11:52 PM
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Looks like Adam Silver will be announcing a 30-game suspension for Ja Morant as soon as the Finals are over.  Pretty crazy to me.  I understand that the NBA has been trying to distance itself from guns and gun violence for years now.  Remember before the Wizards were the Wizards?  Remember the Gilbert Arenas incident that destroyed his promising career?  Clearly, the NBA has taken a no-nonsense policy when it comes to guns.

However, Ja flashing a gun in the background of someone else's video, so long as it is legal, seems like a bit of an overreach.  Although it wasn't his first incident, so maybe the league made it clear this is what would happen with a second incident.

Nevertheless, Ja Morant should know what should he do because he is not just playing for himself because he is now under the NBA management as a whole and playing professionally even if his contract was given by the Memphis Grizzlies. Still, he is expected to uphold the term professional as he's not within any amateur league anymore where he can be a child and play gangsta every time or everywhere he like.

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June 07, 2023, 08:21:35 PM
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Looking at the poll right now, we can see that the users here are somewhat divided and as of now, both teams are tied by receiving 9 votes each while some are still weighing on which team should they vote and does have a good advantage over the other.

Surely enough, the Finals this year has been pretty much unpredictable and interesting even though we can really say that the Nuggets got a little bit of an advantage because of Jokic and their height difference as a roster as well that literally gave the Heat a struggle in the first game as we can see. But it seems that the Heat already got a plan or two about that as I don't think they will just let the Nuggets and dominate the series.

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June 07, 2023, 08:24:22 PM
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Looks like Adam Silver will be announcing a 30-game suspension for Ja Morant as soon as the Finals are over.  Pretty crazy to me.  I understand that the NBA has been trying to distance itself from guns and gun violence for years now.  Remember before the Wizards were the Wizards?  Remember the Gilbert Arenas incident that destroyed his promising career?  Clearly, the NBA has taken a no-nonsense policy when it comes to guns.

However, Ja flashing a gun in the background of someone else's video, so long as it is legal, seems like a bit of an overreach.  Although it wasn't his first incident, so maybe the league made it clear this is what would happen with a second incident.

Nevertheless, Ja Morant should know what should he do because he is not just playing for himself because he is now under the NBA management as a whole and playing professionally even if his contract was given by the Memphis Grizzlies. Still, he is expected to uphold the term professional as he's not within any amateur league anymore where he can be a child and play gangsta every time or everywhere he like.

In a turn of events Ja Morant's people now claim the gun in the 2nd video was a toy gun.

They didn't say that weeks ago when the story first broke, but now they do.  Grin
Very reasonable to believe that number 1 wannabe thug Ja is flashing a toy on instagram live, hahaha.

30 games sounds a lot but some people such as NBA analysts and so on even thought it could be a whole season.

In my opinion, he is a grown man. If you want to play with fire, don't complain when you burn yourself. He will be fine money wise, hopefully he finally learns something out of the whole story.

If not, this can end badly.

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