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January 05, 2025, 08:08:41 AM
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The real question will be; could Miami get something decent in return of Butler after all of this? I mean I do not think that Butlers value is that high anymore, his "talents" aren't even as good as it used to be, but even if you consider him talented, when he goes to a new team, he will do great for a short while, put his best foot forward, just to show that he is still great but after a month or two he will go back to being a mediocre player to be fair.

So I do not see any team offering much for him, plus Miami wants him gone, and Butler wants to leave, so in that situation no team would give the farm, they know Miami won't get too many great offers so everyone will offer something small. I think it is going to be tough to get a good deal for Miami.
They should be getting good value in return; otherwise, the trade wouldn’t happen. Butler still has strong market value, and the teams likely interested in him are playoff contenders looking to boost their chances of reaching the championship.

Yes, Miami Heat could get a good value here, maybe 1 or 2 players and then future picks for the Heat or maybe involved another team and make this a blockbuster trade. Jimmy is still marketable and many teams might want to take a risk on him.

Butler has proven he can lead teams deep into the playoffs, as he’s done twice in his career (though he fell short of winning it all, IIRC).
This trade could be a big opportunity for both sides if done right.

Playoff Jimmy was really different, in the bubble they almost made a upset against the Lakers with Jimmy leading and the players around him is very different. So if he goes to a team that has a lot of role players and they know their spot, maybe Jimmy can bring that team to the playoff and be as competitive as they can be.

 
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January 05, 2025, 08:09:32 AM
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To be fair, this is what Butler does anytime he gets a chance, so I do not think that we are going to end up with anything new here. He plays for a team for a while, gets mad when they don't win, and stops caring, plays terrible, talks to media about wanting to leave, and forces the team to trade him.

This isn't the firs time, I can think of three other times, Chicago, Minnesota, and Sixers, he did these same things there before and I am pretty sure that he is doing now too, but at one point he is not going to be a good enough player to pull this off, so he will be eventually waived, and no team will want to get him. That's not really a shocker, it has happened before to other players like Melo for example, so we can see it happen to Butler as well.

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January 05, 2025, 08:34:28 AM
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To be fair, this is what Butler does anytime he gets a chance, so I do not think that we are going to end up with anything new here. He plays for a team for a while, gets mad when they don't win, and stops caring, plays terrible, talks to media about wanting to leave, and forces the team to trade him.

This isn't the firs time, I can think of three other times, Chicago, Minnesota, and Sixers, he did these same things there before and I am pretty sure that he is doing now too, but at one point he is not going to be a good enough player to pull this off, so he will be eventually waived, and no team will want to get him. That's not really a shocker, it has happened before to other players like Melo for example, so we can see it happen to Butler as well.

Melo though was no longer in his prime and been a liable to the team that he played in the last remaining year of his career. But Jimmy can still definitely ball and can lead the team just like what he did in Miami.

Maybe he has history with those teams that you mentioned that he played before, but as far as I can remember during his stay with Sixers, it was mostly his teammates or he didn't want to play with the likes of Joel and Ben Simmons that time.

So I think there will still be some teams that are interested and I do not think that he will be eventually waived, unless his game deteriorate.

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January 05, 2025, 11:05:24 AM
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Let's talk about the Warriors winning today against Memphis without Steph Curry Brandin Podziemski and Gary Payton II. Although Memphis also didn't have Ja Morant, but it's very interesting to see how the bench has help the Warriors win this one, six players have scored double digits for them, lead by Andrew Wiggins to have a sensational 3rd quarter explosion. And everyone who was inserted by Steve Kerr at least scored two points, so that is a good indication that the Warriors are still very much looking for a playoff spot and Dennis has settled down as the team's point guard as he dished out 9 assists.

However, for sure they could have been distractions as there are reports that the Warriors are interested on acquiring Jimmy Butler from the Heat and it might take several players from them who contributed in this win.

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January 05, 2025, 12:00:01 PM
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Butler has proven he can lead teams deep into the playoffs, as he’s done twice in his career (though he fell short of winning it all, IIRC).
This trade could be a big opportunity for both sides if done right.

Playoff Jimmy was really different, in the bubble they almost made a upset against the Lakers with Jimmy leading and the players around him is very different. So if he goes to a team that has a lot of role players and they know their spot, maybe Jimmy can bring that team to the playoff and be as competitive as they can be.
That’s classic Jimmy, helping the team stay competitive even with undrafted players.
However, I don’t think all the credit should go to him.. Let’s not forget, Jimmy was with other teams before being traded to the Heat, and he wasn’t as effective there.

I think the Heat’s success has a lot to do with their coaching staff, because their system is so solid that whoever they get in exchange for Jimmy will likely still fit and contribute to the team’s success. It’s their culture and system than just one player, that's what I'm seeing.

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January 05, 2025, 12:24:15 PM
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Playoff Jimmy was really different, in the bubble they almost made a upset against the Lakers with Jimmy leading and the players around him is very different. So if he goes to a team that has a lot of role players and they know their spot, maybe Jimmy can bring that team to the playoff and be as competitive as they can be.
That’s classic Jimmy, helping the team stay competitive even with undrafted players.
However, I don’t think all the credit should go to him.. Let’s not forget, Jimmy was with other teams before being traded to the Heat, and he wasn’t as effective there.

I think the Heat’s success has a lot to do with their coaching staff, because their system is so solid that whoever they get in exchange for Jimmy will likely still fit and contribute to the team’s success. It’s their culture and system than just one player, that's what I'm seeing.
Jimmy cannot do it all without the support of his good teammates. We saw that everyone step up and connect together that's why their Playoffs run became more exciting. But now I guess this will not happen on Heat anymore since both parties is ready to part ways so hopefully they could have a good deal so that both of teams will win on possible trades they made.

This is the teams possible landing spot of Butler,

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Golden State Warriors.
Memphis Grizzlies.
Dallas Mavericks.
Denver Nuggets.
New York Knicks.

Read from this source about this https://sports.yahoo.com/jimmy-butler-landing-spots-5-015614757.html

Would love to see Butler wearing Nuggets Jersey since he's perfectly fit there.


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January 05, 2025, 12:50:24 PM
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Let's talk about the Warriors winning today against Memphis without Steph Curry Brandin Podziemski and Gary Payton II. Although Memphis also didn't have Ja Morant, but it's very interesting to see how the bench has help the Warriors win this one, six players have scored double digits for them, lead by Andrew Wiggins to have a sensational 3rd quarter explosion. And everyone who was inserted by Steve Kerr at least scored two points, so that is a good indication that the Warriors are still very much looking for a playoff spot and Dennis has settled down as the team's point guard as he dished out 9 assists.

However, for sure they could have been distractions as there are reports that the Warriors are interested on acquiring Jimmy Butler from the Heat and it might take several players from them who contributed in this win.
The chemistry is too high with the Warriors. They played that same level against the 76ers and they are shooting very well in the 3-point lane in the last few games. I can say they are enjoying the company of each other and ever since Schroder came, they have become a very different team. They need Steph Curry without any doubt but with Schroder and Hield right there, he is covered. Then, Wiggins is playing like a two-way player again and then there's the bench who contributes every time they will be given minutes. That's now their 2nd winning streak, I do wish they could continue.

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January 05, 2025, 04:11:40 PM
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The real question will be; could Miami get something decent in return of Butler after all of this? I mean I do not think that Butlers value is that high anymore, his "talents" aren't even as good as it used to be, but even if you consider him talented, when he goes to a new team, he will do great for a short while, put his best foot forward, just to show that he is still great but after a month or two he will go back to being a mediocre player to be fair.

So I do not see any team offering much for him, plus Miami wants him gone, and Butler wants to leave, so in that situation no team would give the farm, they know Miami won't get too many great offers so everyone will offer something small. I think it is going to be tough to get a good deal for Miami.
If Pat Riley and the Heat decide to let Butler go and trade him, I'm pretty sure there will be a team willing to pay a decent load for him. I think a team like Portland or maybe the Jazz would take a chance on getting a veteran presence for all their young talent to look up to. Butler isn't exactly trash, probably just acting up to force Miami to give him the trade.
Pat Riley??? Well, this move is surer than ever and I like to say that I share some of your views, but certainly not all. As you see it as off, many others see it as a good move and I don't think both parties see it otherwise with their current relationship. Jimmy Butler can't be in the Heat forever even without issues, he has done his bit, it's now left to what's best for the two parties going forward.

We can't deny the obvious sagas, so we shouldn't be one-sided with this. It's a business for Heat too, the best and well-cooperating team is needed, Butler's good replacements are also many.

As for Butler, I wish him well but don't forget that as being seasoned and experienced matters, character matters too. We should not undermine arrogance, it may devalue the person if care is not taken.

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Derrick Rose's jersey is being retired. Chicago Bulls legend Rose wore jersey number 1. Starting next season, no one will be able to wear the No. 1 jersey in Bulls.
Rose, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2008 draft, became the youngest MVP in NBA history in 2011. Had he not suffered serious injuries, he could have had an incredible career full of championships. Rose retired at the end of last season and although he has played for other teams, his jersey is being retired as a Chicago legend.
The Chicago Bulls have previously retired the jerseys of Jerry Sloan (4), Bob Love (10), Michael Jordan (23) and Scottie Pippen (33). Rose's No. 1 jersey will be the fifth jersey to be retired.
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January 05, 2025, 08:21:11 PM
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The real question will be; could Miami get something decent in return of Butler after all of this? I mean I do not think that Butlers value is that high anymore, his "talents" aren't even as good as it used to be, but even if you consider him talented, when he goes to a new team, he will do great for a short while, put his best foot forward, just to show that he is still great but after a month or two he will go back to being a mediocre player to be fair.

So I do not see any team offering much for him, plus Miami wants him gone, and Butler wants to leave, so in that situation no team would give the farm, they know Miami won't get too many great offers so everyone will offer something small. I think it is going to be tough to get a good deal for Miami.
If Pat Riley and the Heat decide to let Butler go and trade him, I'm pretty sure there will be a team willing to pay a decent load for him. I think a team like Portland or maybe the Jazz would take a chance on getting a veteran presence for all their young talent to look up to. Butler isn't exactly trash, probably just acting up to force Miami to give him the trade.
The problem though is that the other team might end up losing the whole trade because Butler's contract is ending after this regular season as well. This might end up them giving players and picks to the Heat only to end up losing Butler because he wants to be a free agent.

This is the reason why even the Warriors who many think was his destination last few weeks ago chose to not pursue him in exchange for Wiggins and/or Kuminga. He's veteran presence would be a big help for the young players, but some are hesitant I believe because of his contract, and they would rather wait for him to be a free agent before getting him. Like you, I don't see him as trash as well and we just saw how he carried the Heat during the 2020 playoffs.

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January 05, 2025, 09:02:34 PM
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How much do you think Anthony Edwards is missing Karl Anthony Towns right now? KAT wasn’t valued during his stay in Minnesota. Letting him go to keep Gobert was one of the dumbest management decisions of all time.

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January 05, 2025, 09:41:23 PM
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As for Butler, I wish him well but don't forget that as being seasoned and experienced matters, character matters too. We should not undermine arrogance, it may devalue the person if care is not taken.
So many Divas in sports, especially in the NBA where players have basically been shown that they can control the narrative vs the coaches actually coaching a team. Arrogance runs high in the NBA and a lack of character all over the league.

We need to get back to sports being about sports and not about a record, legacy, being right. Wherever Butler ends up, I'm think his attitude changes as he might just be acting up to force the trade issue.

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January 05, 2025, 09:45:48 PM
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Yeah right.

They need to get the most from this trade. If they'll get significant good players from trading Jimmy, they're on the win still for this trade.

But if they just want to get rid of him and they're all done due to reason that they've seen, they'd just accept whoever they want to trade him for.

It only makes sense for a team who are contenders this year.  Jimmy is 35, teams like Utah wont want to give up valuable assets for jimmy since by the time they are good again jimmy will be well past his good years.  It is crazy how this all went down.  Sounds like there is more to this than whats being reported.  Be interested to see where he lands.
We have to wait and it's only a matter of time and for sure offers are already on the table and they have to nitpick what suits the Heat's roster and for the best interest of theirs.

Jimmy is also determined of going out so, it's exciting on how he'll perform once he's out of the Heat.

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January 05, 2025, 10:36:47 PM
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I guess the best candidate for Jimmy Butler trade is the phoenix suns. If possible If I'm GM of PHX Suns I'll trade 1st round pick and Bradley Beal for Jimmy Butler. But the question is will Pat Riley accept it? What do you think?

Also it looks like instead of Philadelphia Sixers that has no chance to make playoffs this year it looks like the Miami Heat will be the one that might not going to playoffs this season. lol

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January 05, 2025, 10:51:22 PM
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I guess the best candidate for Jimmy Butler trade is the phoenix suns. If possible If I'm GM of PHX Suns I'll trade 1st round pick and Bradley Beal for Jimmy Butler. But the question is will Pat Riley accept it? What do you think?
That seems a good trade for Phoenix to get read of Beal and 1st round pick. But I'd rather choose any other than of the 1st round pick, I think that there are a better prospect on the next draft season.

Also it looks like instead of Philadelphia Sixers that has no chance to make playoffs this year it looks like the Miami Heat will be the one that might not going to playoffs this season. lol
They are still on the good standing and with most times that Jimmy is injured. I'd say that they're still on a better position than most of the teams that are struggling right now even having their star players.


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January 05, 2025, 10:58:22 PM
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How much do you think Anthony Edwards is missing Karl Anthony Towns right now? KAT wasn’t valued during his stay in Minnesota. Letting him go to keep Gobert was one of the dumbest management decisions of all time.

For sure a lot. They are supposed to be a well composed team but to dumb they select the one of strongest player on the floor that's why right now they are badly struggling to get win on each games they played.

If they just ditch Gobert provably that they would have more greater campaign since KAT can contribute on both ends while Gobert is just a solid defender.

Wolves supposed to be a well composed team but they messed up when they trade KAT to other team and many people really got surprised on the action done by Wolves management since he is loyal on their franchise.

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January 05, 2025, 11:07:11 PM
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I guess the best candidate for Jimmy Butler trade is the phoenix suns. If possible If I'm GM of PHX Suns I'll trade 1st round pick and Bradley Beal for Jimmy Butler. But the question is will Pat Riley accept it? What do you think?
That seems a good trade for Phoenix to get read of Beal and 1st round pick. But I'd rather choose any other than of the 1st round pick, I think that there are a better prospect on the next draft season.

That's the condition or offer that Phoenix can provide that might let Pat to agree, though if they really intend to be competitive they need to work with Jimmy's attitude, knowing both KD and Booker they need to make sure that Butler is willing to embrace his possible assignment to help the team.

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Also it looks like instead of Philadelphia Sixers that has no chance to make playoffs this year it looks like the Miami Heat will be the one that might not going to playoffs this season. lol
They are still on the good standing and with most times that Jimmy is injured. I'd say that they're still on a better position than most of the teams that are struggling right now even having their star players.

Yeah, Herro and Bam with those supporting role players they are still competing and they still have that winning mentality even without Butler.

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January 05, 2025, 11:53:53 PM
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I guess the best candidate for Jimmy Butler trade is the phoenix suns. If possible If I'm GM of PHX Suns I'll trade 1st round pick and Bradley Beal for Jimmy Butler. But the question is will Pat Riley accept it? What do you think?
That seems a good trade for Phoenix to get read of Beal and 1st round pick. But I'd rather choose any other than of the 1st round pick, I think that there are a better prospect on the next draft season.

That's the condition or offer that Phoenix can provide that might let Pat to agree, though if they really intend to be competitive they need to work with Jimmy's attitude, knowing both KD and Booker they need to make sure that Butler is willing to embrace his possible assignment to help the team.
And I doubt that with that kind of roster, they'll end up with the title. We've seen it several in the past that most teams with a lot of superstars don't end successfully.

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Also it looks like instead of Philadelphia Sixers that has no chance to make playoffs this year it looks like the Miami Heat will be the one that might not going to playoffs this season. lol
They are still on the good standing and with most times that Jimmy is injured. I'd say that they're still on a better position than most of the teams that are struggling right now even having their star players.

Yeah, Herro and Bam with those supporting role players they are still competing and they still have that winning mentality even without Butler.
That's why they're totally fine pushing Jimmy out and requesting for a trade because they still have Bam and Herro. They also have a lot of good prospects like JJJr.


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January 06, 2025, 01:10:14 AM
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How much do you think Anthony Edwards is missing Karl Anthony Towns right now? KAT wasn’t valued during his stay in Minnesota. Letting him go to keep Gobert was one of the dumbest management decisions of all time.

For sure him or the Wolves management wish that they didn't let go of Karl Anthony Towns because him and Gobert and Anthony Edwards has built a good chemistry that's why it was surprising to see Towns being traded and now he is blooming with the Knicks while the Wolves regress specially Edwards and now there are no more trash talking or swagger on him on being the next Michael Jordan.

I guess the best candidate for Jimmy Butler trade is the phoenix suns. If possible If I'm GM of PHX Suns I'll trade 1st round pick and Bradley Beal for Jimmy Butler. But the question is will Pat Riley accept it? What do you think?

I do not think that Jimmy though might be a perfect fight in the West. I still wanted him to go and compete in the East division and somewhat dominate it like what the Heat was during in their last couple of years. And Pat Riley might not approved of it as they might see Bradley Beal as a potential franchise player for them. But still very interesting what kind of offers they are going to get from other teams. Probably not just one 1st or 2nd round pick.

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January 06, 2025, 01:54:32 AM
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How much do you think Anthony Edwards is missing Karl Anthony Towns right now? KAT wasn’t valued during his stay in Minnesota. Letting him go to keep Gobert was one of the dumbest management decisions of all time.
Often times, people see on KAT is his weakness in defending the perimeter, and it out-shadows his ability to stretch the floor through his 3-pt shots.

I guess with what's happening with both New York and Minnesota right now, we are seeing who's the clear winner on this trade already. Right after the trade happens, many said here that it was an equal trade since both teams got an all-star in exchange, but NYK right now is performing better than Minnesota if we will compare their performance last season and this season. The management doesn't want to let go of KAT, but it's because of his contract that forced them to do so. As for choosing Gobert to stay is a gamble for them, and seeing KAT being weak on defending the perimeter, it's pretty obvious that they will choose Gobert. I mean he's a 4x Defensive of the year.

Was it the dumbest management decisions? It is one, but the dumbest for me is not keeping Gobert, but getting Gobert in general. Cheesy

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