[ANN] [DRZ] [DROIDZ] [ANTI-INSTAMINE] - A FRESH NEW START - WALLET UPDATES!!!

[Frazazel]

I have seen a very successful coin swap in the past ....

i will ask the question though - and would like a direct answer from frazazel as to why the this method would be a better way to go - rather that to 'upgrade' the current code to add the features ... is it the work involved? ... the base of the code being outdated? ... both? ...

#crysx

As it stands at the moment this is why i Feel the swap is better.

1. We already have the wallet built and code Ready
2. We have the Funds Mined already for the Swap
3. The Swap coin has Masternodes/Darksend Implemented
4. We know that users of droidz want these features
5. We can add to the new code with ease due to no faffing with Masternodes/Darksend
6. We get new exposure and more coming in

So to me that is a very good point instead of.

1. We stick to old code and work on Masternodes/Darksend (Could Take Months)
2. We will be still stuck with no new exposure as nothing has changed.
3. The Market will probably drop down more due to our time being so focused on adding the said Features

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[GREEDYJOHN]

I have seen a very successful coin swap in the past ....

i will ask the question though - and would like a direct answer from frazazel as to why the this method would be a better way to go - rather that to 'upgrade' the current code to add the features ... is it the work involved? ... the base of the code being outdated? ... both? ...

#crysx

As it stands at the moment this is why i Feel the swap is better.

1. We already have the wallet built and code Ready
2. We have the Funds Mined already for the Swap
3. The Swap coin has Masternodes/Darksend Implemented
4. We know that users of droidz want these features
5. We can add to the new code with ease due to no faffing with Masternodes/Darksend
6. We get new exposure and more coming in

So to me that is a very good point instead of.

1. We stick to old code and work on Masternodes/Darksend (Could Take Months)
2. We will be still stuck with no new exposure as nothing has changed.
3. The Market will probably drop down more due to our time being so focused on adding the said Features

[chrysophylax]

I have seen a very successful coin swap in the past ....

i will ask the question though - and would like a direct answer from frazazel as to why the this method would be a better way to go - rather that to 'upgrade' the current code to add the features ... is it the work involved? ... the base of the code being outdated? ... both? ...

#crysx

As it stands at the moment this is why i Feel the swap is better.

1. We already have the wallet built and code Ready
2. We have the Funds Mined already for the Swap
3. The Swap coin has Masternodes/Darksend Implemented
4. We know that users of droidz want these features
5. We can add to the new code with ease due to no faffing with Masternodes/Darksend
6. We get new exposure and more coming in

So to me that is a very good point instead of.

1. We stick to old code and work on Masternodes/Darksend (Could Take Months)
2. We will be still stuck with no new exposure as nothing has changed.
3. The Market will probably drop down more due to our time being so focused on adding the said Features

simply put - its easier to scrap the old code - and implement a new coin with all the new code ( rebased on the dash code im guessing - due to the darksend / masternode features - though im only guessing as i have yet to see the code ) and start over ...

the new features of the new coin will be a massive bonus - but the dropping of exchanges wont be so good ...

admittedly - some very good points mate ... when will we know whether the exchanges will accept / reject the proposal? ... any indication? ...

#crysx

[GREEDYJOHN]

Exchanges will not be dropped, we have a good argument to present to exchanges, especially BITTREX.

[chrysophylax]

Exchanges will not be dropped, we have a good argument to present to exchanges, especially BITTREX.

i know there is a good argument ...

but they treat it as a separate coin - especially bittrex ... so any outcome yet mate? ...

#crysx

[GREEDYJOHN]

Exchanges will not be dropped, we have a good argument to present to exchanges, especially BITTREX.

i know there is a good argument ...

but they treat it as a separate coin - especially bittrex ... so any outcome yet mate? ...

#crysx

That will be a separate issue once voting is concluded. Fraz should sort this out.

[chrysophylax]

Exchanges will not be dropped, we have a good argument to present to exchanges, especially BITTREX.

i know there is a good argument ...

but they treat it as a separate coin - especially bittrex ... so any outcome yet mate? ...

#crysx

That will be a separate issue once voting is concluded. Fraz should sort this out.

voting? ... o ok ...

tanx greedyjohn ...

#crysx

[drays]

Exchanges will not be dropped, we have a good argument to present to exchanges, especially BITTREX.

i know there is a good argument ...

but they treat it as a separate coin - especially bittrex ... so any outcome yet mate? ...

#crysx

That will be a separate issue once voting is concluded. Fraz should sort this out.

Nope, this is not a separate issue. I personally didn't vote yet, as without the answer from Bittrex the voting has no sense: without that answer voters have no idea on viability and implications on the chosen vote. So I am sure we need answer from exchange first. Maybe there is no problem, but we have to check first.
Also please lets not talk about negativity or positivity, thats too complex discussion. Too much negativity may stop the things from moving, too much positivity may bring awful results. Both approaches have their merits, and both should be balanced. Things should be moved forward, but in a right way, and this is what we are discussing now.

Except that point, there is few others I want to make:
1. Many thanks to Frazazel for explaining his point (and manu thanks to crysx for asking and voicing his concerns! ). I believe good explanation is a key to common agreement.

2. A simple vote may be a wrong way to get the public opinion. Unfortunately DRZ have some enemies (like the old DEV), who could just want to sabotage things by voting with all his shill accounts (and I believe he did so already). So it could make sense to make the vote open (post votes in thread), and accept votes only from proven members of this community (people with Member status at least + who has some posts in ANY DRZ thread before). Just a suggestion though, I believe Dev has to make the decision. Too much democracy is not always a good thing... IMHO

3. As to me, swap is acceptable and probably is the better option for the coin now (taking into account explanations from Frazazel). But please - answer from exchanges (aka Bittrex) should come first!

[GREEDYJOHN]

I feel that Fraz wants to get the voting sorted first, before approaching exchanges. He needs our approval first.

It would be useless for Fraz to sort out the exchanges, only for it to be voted against by the community.

Things are in the right order 

[GREEDYJOHN]

BITTREX is an obstacle that can be sorted after the vote.

BITTREX is not an impossible obstacle 

[drays]

I feel that Fraz wants to get the voting sorted first, before approaching exchanges. He needs our approval first.

It would be useless for Fraz to sort out the exchanges, only for it to be voted against by the community.

Things are in the right order  

Well, our opinions are different on this topic.

But sure, one can vote assuming the exchanges are ok. If they refuse to accept the swapped coin, I guess, we can vote again  

I am voting for the swap. Lets do it, currently its practically the only real option to let development continue (it was not told that way, but its pretty much clear ). Lets get those new features and play with them a bit

[GREEDYJOHN]

I feel that Fraz wants to get the voting sorted first, before approaching exchanges. He needs our approval first.

It would be useless for Fraz to sort out the exchanges, only for it to be voted against by the community.

Things are in the right order  

Well, our opinions are different on this topic.

But sure, one can vote assuming the exchanges are ok. If they refuse to accept the swapped coin, I guess, we can vote again  

It is just similar to a case of a child asking to travel

The child must get permission from parents before booking a TAXI not after.

I mean that the child must get the approval of parents to go on a trip, before he bothers to book for a taxi. He cannot book for a taxi if he has not received permission from his parents.

In the same way, it is useless to make arrangements with bittrex  if we have not received approval from community

INFACT, COMMUNITY APPROVAL IS NECESSARY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT OUR CASE TO THE EXCHANGES 

[Frazazel]

We have sent 1 message so far and are about to also message richie on here to see if we can get a reponse for you all a bit faster. There maybe some lenghty discussions involved 

[Capefear]

price is going really low, people is selling DRZ as hell, I put an order @290 while the price was 384 and got filled now, and it went even lower to 217!!!

[GREEDYJOHN]

price is going really low, people is selling DRZ as hell, I put an order @290 while the price was 384 and got filled now, and it went even lower to 217!!!

is it New Year panic? 

[BAGGYJOHN]

price is going really low, people is selling DRZ as hell, I put an order @290 while the price was 384 and got filled now, and it went even lower to 217!!!

is it New Year panic?  

No, it's just a greedy dump

[GREEDYJOHN]

price is going really low, people is selling DRZ as hell, I put an order @290 while the price was 384 and got filled now, and it went even lower to 217!!!

is it New Year panic?  

No, it's just a greedy dump

People are dumping this coin that had an ICO price of 3700 sats.

[GREEDYJOHN]

So far YOBIT supports coin swap 100%

We are still in talks with BITTREX.

I just contacted CCEX on behalf of DEV.

[GREEDYJOHN]

Except that point, there is few others I want to make:
1. Many thanks to Frazazel for explaining his point (and manu thanks to crysx for asking and voicing his concerns! ). I believe good explanation is a key to common agreement.

2. A simple vote may be a wrong way to get the public opinion. Unfortunately DRZ have some enemies (like the old DEV), who could just want to sabotage things by voting with all his shill accounts (and I believe he did so already). So it could make sense to make the vote open (post votes in thread), and accept votes only from proven members of this community (people with Member status at least + who has some posts in ANY DRZ thread before). Just a suggestion though, I believe Dev has to make the decision. Too much democracy is not always a good thing... IMHO
3. As to me, swap is acceptable and probably is the better option for the coin now (taking into account explanations from Frazazel). But please - answer from exchanges (aka Bittrex) should come first!

True, I believe that the old DRZ Dev is trying to ruin this coin with negative votes from shill accounts

[GREEDYJOHN]

Poll results show that we all voted in favour of a coin swap 

So far:

# YOBIT supports coin swap 100%

# CCEX supports coin swap 100%

# We are still in talks with BITTREX.