What's wrong with Betcoin.ag? Here's a list.

[kotwica666]

So after a few months, explanation from serious casino is: "The losses were small and we still have a lot customers" + screenshot.  

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[TwitchySeal]

For the record, Xiaoxiao also responded in a deceptive way to the BBJP issue.  To my knowledge, he has chosen not to respond to any other issues mentioned in OP.

The new rake structure works very well for me with the rakeback I get and my referrals now sending me some actual bitcoin that warrants spending some money to advertise for.  Also overall still far better than any fiat website.  Do you know if there are plans for any 10 btc freerolls?  Haven't seen that in awhile.  

I'm pretty sure there will be more freerolls!  Take care!

When they accidentally took 14 Bitcoin for the BBJP when it didn't actually exist, they used it for a freeroll instead of returning it to the players.(You can read about that here.)

Theyve admitted to using the money they confiscated from cheaters for a freeroll promotion instead of returning it to the victims.(you can read about that here)

Perhaps they will use the money that should be paid back directly to the players from taking too much rake for over a month.  

Its probably well over 10 BTC.

Maybe youll get a 20 BTC freeroll or more!

Based on my understanding the BBJ is currently active and will be paid out if hit. I will get back to you about the other links mentioned.  Please understand that English is a 2nd language to certain support members and there may have been misunderstandings.  As far as I know most of my players and personal friends are beyond satisfied with the Poker Room and the WPN Shared Tournaments.  I understand your frustration, but Betcoin does have the right to make changes to promotions.  I would suggest that you resolve your issues via live chat.  Thanks!

It's true, the current BBJP is active.  I find his reply deceptive since in this context, his comment could easily be taken as "This issue has been solved" by trusting yet uninformed players.  

In fact, his comment is essentially irrelevant since he fails to address the 14 Bitcoins stolen from players who a) Were told by support that nothing extra was being taken and b) had no chance at winning the BBJP since it didn't exist at the time.

[DarkDays]

 The reason Betcoin is not refunding people is because there is basically nothing to refund.  A lot of people were getting 100%+ rakeback so the higher the rake the more they gained.   You have to consider the amount paid back in VIP RB, 100% bonuses, 100% RB prop player programs, affiliate RB, tablestarter RB etc, all of which Twitchy failed to consider in his calculations.  A small percentage of players were effected negatively but it's so minute that it's barely noticeable which is why those people aren't complaining or don't care.  It's like would you camp outside of your local gas station demanding a 9/10 of a penny refund because you thought the price was $1.50/gallon and not $1.509/gallon.  This is similar to what Twitchy is doing right now.

Show proof of this please.  From my experience playing cash games very VERY few players (far under 10%) take advantage of the 100% RB prop player programs.  So either you are lying or you have access to sensitive information (affiliates can't see if a player is on a deposit bonus or other bonus', like TSR).

So now I'm really curious.  Does Betcoin give you access to private information on it's customers, including those that aren't under your affiliate, or are you lying to try to protect Betcoin while they steal money from their customers?  Also, I'm curious how much of the stolen money found it's way into your pockets? 

[TwitchySeal]

Seems they just awarded the BBJP after a hand that only had two players delt in which means it wasn't eligible.
they didn't

[TwitchySeal]

TwitchySeal you need to either get back into Betcoin, I am not sure what you did, but you mention that you have been banned in another thread or you need to get some serious help man. I am not trying to be rude or anything but as a casual observer you look and write like an obsessed maniac.  I actually feel sorry for you man.  On another note, I really do enjoy playing at Betcoin, it truly is the best all around bitcoin gaming destination. 

Noobtc is the same person as "ftwbtc"  Both accounts are likely run by whoever runs the Betcoin.ag account.

I think its likely that the person behind "NooBtc" is the same Betcoin.ag manager that goes by Betcoin Jessica and also posts using the account "ftwbtc" ( you can see some of the reasons i think hes a shill here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281850.msg13658462#msg13658462 )

Very similar passive aggressive attitude, language etc

Noobtc posts this comment here on bitcointalk.org within 10 minutes of ftwbtc posting his comment on Betcoin...

In retrospect, don't slow play those Kings!  __ACTl0NNNN is lucky SillySausage didn't have more on the table!

Interacting with themself:

I just signed up at Betcoin and then saw this thread.  After reading through it and the attacks to the poster.  Are you an employee of Betcoin?  How do I get reassigned to you?  

I don't believe you can change your affiliate once you have one or get reassigned.  There is a lot of trolling going on in here so who knows when Xiaoxiao will be back.  

Post from a while ago pointing out all evidence that suggests ftwbtc is a shill.

There is some great value in the following games today and wanted to share.  I have been sharing a lock each day the last three days and will continue to do so.

ftwbtc, I noticed you posted the same thing on Betcoins forum, which is interesting because when I check your profile it says you registered just this month and still a Bronze 3.



However, on this forum you have

• Claimed to have played on Betcoin since 2013
• Said you were active within the Betcoin community
• Said you were Gold Status over 6 months ago
• Called Bullshit on another player for not wanting to share his own screen name
• Asked me directly what my screen name was
• Made over 100 posts that make you seem more like a shill than not - all for Betcoin
• Told several blatant lies to defend Betcoin then acted as if it never happened by ignoring any reference to it (Sound familiar "BetcoinJessica" ?

So whats up with posting on Betcoin from a brand new account?

Here's some evidence, as usual, to back up my claims - starting back in Summer 2014...

Really enjoy playing here and keep up the great work.  I particularly like the sng's especially the Hyper Turbo Heads Up.  There are always a few open and when I sit down the game is filled within 2 minutes. 

I have been playing at Betcoin for awhile and I have seen them continue to improve and work very hard.  I have also been fortunate to place in a wide variety of tournaments with big GTD's.  I am still trying to win my seat into the million dollar GTD, but it has truly been a great experience that continues to get better.  Really appreciate the opportunity to play here guys.  Keep up the good work. 

I have been playing on Betcoin for quite some time and have achieved Gold I status.  I really appreciate and enjoy the VIP program and have seen it grow tremendously.  I play at other websites too, but Betcoin is my main website because of the rewards, constant improvements and community feel.  Also, you guys talk about odds straight up, but a Master level at Betcoin would nearly eliminate all house edge throughout the entire website in sports wagering, casino wagering and provide a substantial rakeback for poker play.  I will achieve this and report my findings back.  I am a winning player overall, but I also enjoy the fact that I am building a profile that also has value and they keep rewarding with more perks and bonuses. 

I personally hate to see people waste time, but I guess the same could be said about me responding to you though I don't nearly spend as much time as you. 

What is your goal with all of this?  What is your player name on Betcoin?

Other people have posted about the same issue but you have chosen to ignore  it.

I just checked their website Betcoin.ag and it shows over 300 people online.  What people do you speak of?

Yes, Betcoin is very safe, I have been playing here for two years and have seen people like you make these claims without a username or substantiation only to disappear.  I have never had a problem with Betcoin and have played quite a bit.  The support is superior and they continue to provide even better opportunities everyday for us players.  They would never cheat you out of $4.  This is ridiculously absurd. 

As for darkdays, I really don't read every post, they are too long and in the Betcoin community there is a lot more going on in there with staking, loans, sports talk, poker talk and more.  I enjoy the time in there. 

[DarkDays]

Noobtc is the same person as "ftwbtc"  Both accounts are likely run by whoever runs the Betcoin.ag account.

Good work.  Another piece of information is that "ftwbtc" posts "daily sports locks" on the Betcoin forums.  He claims to wager 2-10BTC per bet, yet refuses to show any slips and is still in the Bronze 3 tier (the lowest tier).

In the interest of full disclosure, I personally haven't seen anything that would lead me to conclusively say that Noobtc/ftwbtc = Bitcoin Jessica.  I'm not saying that that isn't the case or even that I wouldn't put it past them to run their own shill accounts but I think we need to be very careful to lay everything out with as many facts as we can find.  Also, speaking of "her" I found it odd that she signed her full name to a recent email (the one about the freeroll and password reset). 

[wwwin]

Is that why they paid out the JP and then realize the guy did not win it?? LOL

[wwwin]

$4K

[DarkDays]

Here's a new one.

On the forums this weekend, the player "Mentat" claims that he was a prop for a while and in fact received house funds to play poker with.  He also claims that he was refused a cashout for "around 30 coins" but that he received "nearly that amount over time to keep the games going".

So, it seems like Betcoin is paying their house players 30 coins, refusing cashouts, and not announcing that they employ (or the identity of) house players.  Sorry for no screenshots, I'm on the run and if nobody grabs them by the time I'm home I'll edit with them.

[TwitchySeal]

Here's a new one.

On the forums this weekend, the player "Mentat" claims that he was a prop for a while and in fact received house funds to play poker with.  He also claims that he was refused a cashout for "around 30 coins" but that he received "nearly that amount over time to keep the games going".

So, it seems like Betcoin is paying their house players 30 coins, refusing cashouts, and not announcing that they employ (or the identity of) house players.  Sorry for no screenshots, I'm on the run and if nobody grabs them by the time I'm home I'll edit with them.

I've been putting off the whole bot thing because its so hard to actually prove and most of the time when someone cries bot they are idiot fish - but that's what Mentats talking about.  

They used bots (and Mentat + a couple others) to keep action at the tables up until the day they started the 100% rakeback tablestarter promo.

He was getting 100% rakeback and basically just helped "start tables" by playing the bots heads up and short handed.  These were very Bots were very exploitable and never changed which resulted in some pretty insane bb/100

Someone gave me this document with info on all the different bot accounts, (Login name, Screen name, Account #, City etc...)  The easiest way to tell if you were playing a bot was to check and see if it registered on Jan 22 2015.

http://pastebin.com/UsfK4LTm

Personally, I don't have a problem with them putting losing bots out to keep the games going, its a lot different then the GTO bots that are a threatening holdem as we know it.  People would probably over react though (and they did anyway) So of course lying about it would be more convienient for Betcoin, so they did, without shame:





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Edit, throwing in some proof of over rake:

Betcoin Overakes Capped Pots for almost over 600k hands.

^{spoiler alert, they keep it}

2/8/15 Edit: I now have hand histories of over raked pots going back to 10/31/15.  Hands before this appear to be capped properly.  I think we can conclude that the "mistake" happened around midnight UTC 10/30/15.

The Betcoin rake issue probably started off as an honest technical mistake on Betcoins part.  Any decent site would apologize immediately, figure out exactly how much they owed the players and pay them back in full plus little bit more to be sure they were made whole.


November 14th a couple players realized pots were being raked higher than the advertised cap and notified support right away. If Betcoin didn't know they were over raking pots before , they knew now.

Here is the earliest ahand posted from a 100 NL 6 max table.  
The advertised cap was 2 mbtc, they took 6 mbtc.

Code:

Game started at: 2015/11/14 17:53:36
Game ID: 10143163 0.50/1 Tokyo (Hold'em)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: luismelo4 (107.34).
Seat 2: Cognative (338.25).
Seat 3: BitBandit (215.22).
Seat 4: nukemecca (168.95).
Seat 9: ungod (29.84).
Player BitBandit has small blind (0.50)
Player nukemecca has big blind (1)
Player BitBandit received a card.
Player BitBandit received a card.
Player nukemecca received a card.
Player nukemecca received a card.
Player ungod received card: [Qc]
Player ungod received card: [3c]
Player luismelo4 received a card.
Player luismelo4 received a card.
Player Cognative received a card.
Player Cognative received a card.
Player ungod folds
Player luismelo4 folds
Player Cognative raises (3)
Player BitBandit calls (2.50)
Player nukemecca raises (6)
Player Cognative calls (4)
Player BitBandit calls (4)
*** FLOP ***: [9s 3d As]
Player BitBandit checks
Player nukemecca bets (10.23)
Player Cognative calls (10.23)
Player BitBandit calls (10.23)
*** TURN ***: [9s 3d As] [4s]
Player BitBandit checks
Player nukemecca bets (33.59)
Player Cognative calls (33.59)
Player BitBandit folds
*** RIVER ***: [9s 3d As 4s] [4d]
Player nukemecca bets (57.94)
Player Cognative allin (287.43)
Player nukemecca allin (60.19)
Uncalled bet (169.30) returned to Cognative
------ Summary ------
Pot: 349.12. Rake 6. JP fee 0.01
Board: [9s 3d As 4s 4d]
Player luismelo4 does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
*Player Cognative shows: Full House (3/4) [3s 3h]. Bets: 168.95. Collects: 349.12. Wins: 180.17.
Player BitBandit does not show cards.Bets: 17.23. Collects: 0. Loses: 17.23.
Player nukemecca shows: Two pairs. As and 4s [Ac Ks]. Bets: 168.95. Collects: 0. Loses: 168.95.
Player ungod does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Game ended at: 2015/11/14 17:54:35

Update:  Earliest hand now 10/31 - 11/1
October 31 (EST):

Code:

[color=red]Winning Poker Network Game #9777237: No Limit Holdem ($0.50/$1) [2015/11/01 02:21:55 UTC]
Table: Tokyo
Seats: 9
Seat 3: g0tjohnd ($153.79)
Seat 4: TheDealer ($158.28)
Seat 5: ungod ($119.24)
Seat 6: Beachside ($86.09)
Seat 8: ChemoJoe ($99)
Button is seat 6
ChemoJoe: posts small blind $0.50
g0tjohnd: posts big blind $1
 HOLE CARDS 
ungod: dealt [5d 5h]
TheDealer: calls $1
ungod: raises $2
Beachside: folds
ChemoJoe: folds
g0tjohnd: raises $6
TheDealer: calls $6
ungod: calls $5
 FLOP  [4s 5c 5s]
g0tjohnd: bets $13.97
TheDealer: calls $13.97
ungod: calls $13.97
 TURN  [4s 5c 5s] [Jd]
g0tjohnd: checks
TheDealer: checks
ungod: bets $20.60
g0tjohnd: folds
TheDealer: raises all-in $137.31
ungod: raises all-in $77.67
TheDealer: pulls back uncalled bet $39.04
 RIVER  [4s 5c 5s] [Jd] [6h]
 SUMMARY 
Pot: $253.94 | Rake: $6 | BBJ: $0.01 |
Board: [4s 5c 5s Jd 6h]
Seat 3: g0tjohnd lost -$20.97
Seat 4: TheDealer lost -$119.24 [9s As] One Pair, Fives
Seat 5: ungod won $253.94 (+$134.70) [5d 5h] Four of a Kind, Fives
Seat 6: Beachside didn't bet
Seat 8: ChemoJoe lost -$0.50[/color]

Betcoin deleted posts in the main forum bringing attention to it and asked the players to submit a ticket.

They made no effort to inform or compensate players, fix the issue, or even reply to thos who had already complained for OVER THREE WEEKS.


December 8th I made THIS POST on BitcoinTalk, where they could not delete it,calling betcoin out for all of the above.


December 9th Betcoin Jessica STARTED A THREAD offering a 50 mbtc tournament ticket to players who test the rake and report back with "good feedback"  Players jumped on the chance at free money and posted how great the rake was and were thanked with free tickets.

(There were plenty of tables running at the time, why wouldn't they watch them, look over hand historys, data, etc.  Any other site would simply look at data, not player feedback.  The only logical reasons I can think for creating a thread like is because they thought the positive reaction to the rewards would help their image, or there were no employees available that understood how rake works.)
Two hands from Sebtember 9th:

6 handed 100NL.  Rake should be 2.5% with a cap of 2 mbtc.  6 mbtc is actually raked.


Heads Up 5000NL, Rake should be 2.5% with a 1 mbtc cap.  5 mbtc is actually raked.  At a table like this, Betcoin was taking 4 mbtc they weren't entitled to every time they saw a flop, for over 3 weeks.    (Tablestarter rakeback not offered on this table)





December 11th Betcoin makes the following statement:

The rake is actually programmed correctly in the system with the proper cap, but appears to be capping at 2 ($0.82) for most tables 5 ($2.14) for some tables and the highest of 8 mbtc ($3.43) for very few tables. To be clear this is still within the lower range of the caps for Poker Stars, Bovada, and Carbon Poker, but certainly not what we have on our rake page. For that we apologize, but we will certainly work through these bugs.  There was a backoffice update that caused a variety of errors including the table starter and rake issues. This has been a very enlightening bug as most ring game players are still earning over 100% of the rakeback which is now more and the affiliates are also earning more.

We are working with the software provider to get this fixed and will continue to provide updates at Betcoin.ag. Refunding players who have been overpaying is a bit more complicated because most players are actually getting more than they should! Do we take this away from them and their affiliates? We thank you for your support and will continue to work hard everyday. We just want this to be perfect for all of you and we will keep working hard until we get there. Great action on the tables right now and we will extend the 10 mbtc ring game promo!

Summary:

• Betcoin dealt over 588,000 hands between November 14th and December 9th. Each pot that reached the threshold was likely overcharged during this time.  I have yet to see a hand history suggest otherwise.

- Claimed:

The rake is actually programmed correctly in the system with the proper cap

and in the same sentence...

but appears to be capping at 2 ($0.82) for most tables 5 ($2.14) for some tables and the highest of 8 mbtc

- Claimed that refunding players would be complicated and then ignored the issue (over three weeks ago now)  and refused to respond to comments LIKE THIS ONEfrom Dooglus.

- Seemed to be justifying their decision not to refund players by pointing out that some players (maximum of two per table) received 100% rake back for starting the table, they made affiliate payments based on the ammount they overcharged and also their rake is low compared to other sites.


Reality:  I believe that 20 BTC is a pretty conservative estimate for total rake that Betcoin took but wasn't entitled to between November 14th and December 9th, mostly from the higher stakes players, who are less likely to complain or even care.

[wwwin]

Here's a new one.

On the forums this weekend, the player "Mentat" claims that he was a prop for a while and in fact received house funds to play poker with.  He also claims that he was refused a cashout for "around 30 coins" but that he received "nearly that amount over time to keep the games going".

So, it seems like Betcoin is paying their house players 30 coins, refusing cashouts, and not announcing that they employ (or the identity of) house players.  Sorry for no screenshots, I'm on the run and if nobody grabs them by the time I'm home I'll edit with them.

I've been putting off the whole bot thing because its so hard to actually prove and most of the time when someone cries bot they are idiot fish - but that's what Mentats talking about.  

They used bots (and Mentat + a couple others) to keep action at the tables up until the day they started the 100% rakeback tablestarter promo.

He was getting 100% rakeback and basically just helped "start tables" by playing the bots heads up and short handed.  These were very Bots were very exploitable and never changed which resulted in some pretty insane bb/100

Someone gave me this document with info on all the different bot accounts, (Login name, Screen name, Account #, City etc...)  The easiest way to tell if you were playing a bot was to check and see if it registered on Jan 22 2015.

http://pastebin.com/UsfK4LTm

Personally, I don't have a problem with them putting losing bots out to keep the games going, its a lot different then the GTO bots that are a threatening holdem as we know it.  People would probably over react though (and they did anyway) So of course lying about it would be more convienient for Betcoin, so they did, without shame:

How would they identify bots if they don't even know what to look for. LOL
I don't know why the WPN allows these guys to share the tournament player base with all the crap that is going on.

[TwitchySeal]

Here's a new one.

On the forums this weekend, the player "Mentat" claims that he was a prop for a while and in fact received house funds to play poker with.  He also claims that he was refused a cashout for "around 30 coins" but that he received "nearly that amount over time to keep the games going".

So, it seems like Betcoin is paying their house players 30 coins, refusing cashouts, and not announcing that they employ (or the identity of) house players.  Sorry for no screenshots, I'm on the run and if nobody grabs them by the time I'm home I'll edit with them.

I've been putting off the whole bot thing because its so hard to actually prove and most of the time when someone cries bot they are idiot fish - but that's what Mentats talking about.  

They used bots (and Mentat + a couple others) to keep action at the tables up until the day they started the 100% rakeback tablestarter promo.

He was getting 100% rakeback and basically just helped "start tables" by playing the bots heads up and short handed.  These were very Bots were very exploitable and never changed which resulted in some pretty insane bb/100

Someone gave me this document with info on all the different bot accounts, (Login name, Screen name, Account #, City etc...)  The easiest way to tell if you were playing a bot was to check and see if it registered on Jan 22 2015.

http://pastebin.com/UsfK4LTm

Personally, I don't have a problem with them putting losing bots out to keep the games going, its a lot different then the GTO bots that are a threatening holdem as we know it.  People would probably over react though (and they did anyway) So of course lying about it would be more convienient for Betcoin, so they did, without shame:

How would they identify bots if they don't even know what to look for. LOL
I don't know why the WPN allows these guys to share the tournament player base with all the crap that is going on.

Bots were never playing WPN tournaments (afaik), they were only at Betcoin cash games.

[wwwin]

The reason Betcoin is not refunding people is because there is basically nothing to refund.  A lot of people were getting 100%+ rakeback so the higher the rake the more they gained.   You have to consider the amount paid back in VIP RB, 100% bonuses, 100% RB prop player programs, affiliate RB, tablestarter RB etc, all of which Twitchy failed to consider in his calculations.

Ok, show me your calculations then, I've asked you for them many times.  I doubt you or Betcoin has even bothered to calculate anything.

I had already admitted that Betcoin made a mistake due to their inexperience in poker room management (to their credit they are growing exponentially wiser as time goes on).  The reason Betcoin is not refunding people is because there is basically nothing to refund.  A lot of people were getting 100%+ rakeback so the higher the rake the more they gained.

This is far from reality.  Xiaoxiao has continually made derceptive comments like this and then refused to defend them in any way.

Betcoin has a table starter promotion offering 100% rakeback.  At MOST 2 players from any table are eligible, because of the requirements - there are often going to be 0 or 1 players receiving it.

Xiao has refused to comment on the fact that heads up cash tables are not eligible for this promotion and Betcoin was taking up to 4 extra mbtc every time a hand went to the flop.

At the mid to high stakes, I estimate Betcoin was taking around 280 mbtc per hour from 10/31 - 12/9.

(Easily 100+ hands per hour, seeing 70% of flops = 280 chips/hr per table in over charged rake)

I've proven the rake was collected wrong during this 5+ week period, this is Xiaos comment which he refuses to elaborate on:

Regarding everything else you've said.  No, I totally disagree with your claims.  The rake did go higher briefly but was corrected.  

A small percentage of players were effected negatively but it's so minute that it's barely noticeable which is why those people aren't complaining or don't care.

 
This is just not true.  Many players were unaware they were stolen from, and recently have been asking for a refund.

There have been talks of a boycott recently by a group of players.  Here is an example of Betcoin handled one of the highest volume regulars on the site.

(read from bottom to top)


Dooglus summed up a great point on Betcoins forum by asking this question.  Rather than responding to him, Betcoin deleted it.


The only thing I agree with is the fact that Betcoin probably didn't do this on purpose.  Nearly every issue I've brought up has been a result of their incompetence.  If they would simply admit their mistakes, and fix them - this wouldn't be what it is today.

So this Jessica says adding many new players everyday...but the players at the cash tables don't go up for over a year since they went up due to Seals closed for a while..so:

So either 2 things must be going on:

1. Jessica is lying or,
2. There are as many players leaving as coming in new.

Cause the number of cash players in tables has not gone up for a year now and it actually may be going down a little bit.

12 players on 2 cash tables now....so where are all these new players...are they invisible?

[TwitchySeal]

So this Jessica says adding many new players everyday...but the players at the cash tables don't go up for over a year since they went up due to Seals closed for a while..so:

So either 2 things must be going on:

1. Jessica is lying or,
2. There are as many players leaving as coming in new.

Cause the number of cash players in tables has not gone up for a year now and it actually may be going down a little bit.

12 players on 2 cash tables now....so where are all these new players...are they invisible?

On 11/30 (Tue/Wed) their 7 day average was 28 players with a 24 hour peak of 50 players.

2/19 (Thur/Fri) their 7 day average is 30 players with a 24 hour peak of 55 players.




Got a lovely pm from them recently:

The staff looks at all the work you put in and appreciates your work ethic and commitment.  You really should be earning good bitcoin and building equity instead of having everything deleted from Betcoin or moved to the next page of the forum as more posts are added.  Ultimately, you just waste time while keeping Betcoin on the front page of the thread which means more traffic, more signature campaign members, etc.  We think you have a strong work ethic and could be a great contributor as you once were.  The amount of time and energy you have put in so far is truly remarkable.  It shows us that we have something special because every great company has people this passionate, but we want to channel your passion to help you more as you once were a great member of the community.  We look forward to your thoughts.

I totally believe you.

Just stop deleting my posts, unban my account and send whatever you think I should be paid here: 1KNaiM4KPUjjR2PZAJuNxS7ukMgRZgHcJv

I promise to continue sharing my opinion with you and everyone else either way.

[TwitchySeal]

Yesterday there were a couple new accounts making their first posts in Betcoins thread explaining why they enjoyed Betcoin.

This was after I outed Ftwbtc1 and Noobtc as shills when I noticed ftwbtc1 made a post on Betcoin forum that was almost identical to a post Noobtc made on BitcoinTalk within ~10 minutes of each other.

One of them was made by a player I was friendly with and staked a couple times in the past.  He was broke and made the post because Andrew offered him a ticket into their nightly .05 BTC buyin tournament.  It was all in spanish, here's the skype translation and screen shot.

Andrew Betcoin:
I will give you a daily ticket, but you must write a review about Betcoin and tell people why you enjoy playing at Betcoin in Spanish. This review will then be posted on a forum. Please do it here in this ticket first.

 
xxlx2014:
Bro u remember help me 100 chips and i returned back to your name 147  i not ripper  how jonny or trill for trill and jonny recived some some much chips to betcoin and never return me all time i returned

 
Andrew Betcoin:
I'll give you a ticket for a day, but you should write a comment on Bitcoin and tell people why do you like to play the Betcoin in Spanish. This review would include later in a forum. Please do it here in this ticket.

xxlx2014:
Hi I could play on many other websites, but I stayed here with you because plo8 andrew stuart brent danny, with the George I've peeled but now we're all good  mR paul is not now but I have all my respect in short and I have some friend and I say because I go on other website here I have played a lot of money I lost I've won I've raised more than 1000 chips to FREE players as you could check or If you don't take it out I of history and I have nothing to say just this Thanks and see we walk forward all together and United no tricks and fools! Thank you

 
xxlx2014:
This is day when I have and day are when I have no I ask for help 100 200 chips and give it back in a few days you know well betcoin once you have helped me and I've returned more but never look at me not help me return is normal not like others to trill to jonny has asked many times and has never returned but in the end this is
 
Andrew Betcoin:
Post in this forum is at the bottom in the answers and I'll give you a bonus ticket:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281850.1300

Hi I could play on many other websites, but I stayed here with you because plo8 andrew stuart brent danny, with the George I've peeled but now we're all good  mR paul is not now but I have all my respect in short and I have some friend and I say because I go on other website here I have played a lot of money I lost I've won I've raised more than 1000 chips to FREE players as you could check or If you don't take it out I of history and I have nothing to say just this Thanks and see we walk forward all together and United no tricks and fools! Thank you


 
xxlx2014: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281850.new#new donate
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281850.new#new donate



Andrew Betcoin:
I have added a daily coin ticket. Good luck.


 
xxlx2014:
OK thx now i unbaned you ) i kidding  but tiki tiki


 
Betcoin Andrew:
Thank you.

[DarkDays]

Damn Twitchy, they are offering to buy your silence, they are paying randoms to post positive reviews in foreign languages, I'm starting to feel left out that I've never been approached with a shady offer.

In all seriousness, this really is starting to look like the beginning of the end.  I remember a couple of weeks ago people were talking about very long cashout delays.  Does anyone know what the current status is on cashouts?  If it's taking longer than a couple of hours in primetime...there's got to be a reason.  Maybe we can start tracking payout/payin addresses to get a clearer look at their finances?  With the blockchain technology there is very little to hide if you take the time to look.

[wwwin]

Damn Twitchy, they are offering to buy your silence, they are paying randoms to post positive reviews in foreign languages, I'm starting to feel left out that I've never been approached with a shady offer.

In all seriousness, this really is starting to look like the beginning of the end.  I remember a couple of weeks ago people were talking about very long cashout delays.  Does anyone know what the current status is on cashouts?  If it's taking longer than a couple of hours in primetime...there's got to be a reason.  Maybe we can start tracking payout/payin addresses to get a clearer look at their finances?  With the blockchain technology there is very little to hide if you take the time to look.

So they are paying people to post in other languages paying them from the money that they stole from players by having an  inflated rake which twichy  found out...
Yes they seem to be desperate now it may be the  beginning of the end indeed.

[TwitchySeal]

Phishing attempts sent to emails that were used only to register Betcoin account
They have not accepted responsibility.

(The first email is actually from Betcoin, I think, and likely related )

From: Betcoin.ag Casino, Poker & Sports
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 1:18 AM
To: xxxxxxxxx
Subject: 5 BTC VIP Freeroll & Mandatory Password Reset for the New Year


{username},
Betcoin is excited to present the Betcoin Poker Players Club 5 BTC New Years Freeroll on January 10, 2016. This is a ticket only event and all players with Bronze I level or higher VIP / Player's Club status will receive a ticket by January 8, 2016. Players that have been active on Betcoin may also receive a ticket at the managers sole discretion.
https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-poker-players-club-vip-5-btc-new-years-freeroll
Password Change For the new year, with a new update starting on December 30, 2015, Betcoin.ag is requiring you to change your password for your security and to properly sync you with the new backend system. Please use a password that is not your current or previous password at Betcoin.ag for the utmost security.
Poker In addition to the 5 BTC Freeroll, Betcoin Poker offers up to 150% rakeback for starting cash and ring game tables as well as tournaments with up to $1,000,000 worth of bitcoin in GTD prizepools. There is no better place to play poker.
Sportsbook We will continue to bring you the best prematch and thousands of live events every month to Betcoin Sports including an extended eSports section and many new promotions.
Casino We have expanded our mobile casino, live and regular casino offerings and will continue to add new providers throughout 2016. Please also be sure to checkout our dice tournaments which include a daily freeroll.
It has been an exciting year for Betcoin.ag and we look forward to providing a wonderful experience in 2016 and beyond. As always, we appreciate your feedback and thank you for your support. Good luck in the 5 BTC Freeroll!
Sincerely,
Jessica White Betcoin.ag BetcoinSports.com BetcoinCasino.com BetcoinPoker.com BetcoinPartners.com
____ To change which emails you receive go here: https://www.betcoin.ag/notification/settings

From: US3 Online Marketplace [mailto:invoce-notices@vh262717.hostline.su]
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 11:34 PM
To: xxxxxxx
Subject: Invoice #841897

Invoice #841897

Attachment: Invoice.zip (56 kb)  [did not open]

From: Betcoin
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:19 PM
To: xxxxxxx
Subject: Important security update.

xxxxxxx,

We are fixing the cases of unauthorized access to user accounts Betcoin and funds theft.
If you want to protect your account, you need to change password of your Betcoin account and make client update: https://www.betcoin.ag/auupdate?token=mmQQSikkaBFaqvJzhntcSeDAdxvbg879
RECENT UPDATES:
•   100% Rakeback Table Starter Promo
•   Over 30 new slots from Endorphina and Xin Gaming
•   New high limit casino tables. Bet up to 5,000 chips per hand.
•   2 Factor Authentication is now available for increased account security
Don't forget the casino works on your mobile device. Simply go to www.betcoin.ag/casino to play now.

Link: http://141.105.69.206/dn/?e=V1hwT2JFNUVaM2RhVkZKQllqTkNhR1ZZUlhWWk1qbDA=

From: Bitstamp
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 7:07 AM
To: xxxxxxx
Subject: Important security updates

From: sales@myshoppingworlds.com
To: xxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 10:18 PM
Subject: Invoice

Body: Empty
Attachment: invoice.zip attached (52kb)

From: Support Team
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 11:47 AM
To: xxxxxxx
Subject: Security Update

Hello,
please download and install new serurity update.


Support Team

"download" is hyperlink to: http://178.33.182.131/security.exe

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Only a matter of time before the people wearing the betcoin.ag signature get tagged as scammers,  right? 

I swear there are no honest individuals on this forum.

[DarkStar_]

Only a matter of time before the people wearing the betcoin.ag signature get tagged as scammers,  right? 

I swear there are no honest individuals on this forum.

Not really, I doubt they will be tagged because a few months ago, cloudmining.scamsite had a sig campaign. They provided no mining proof, no select able pools or even pictures of their mining hardware, so it was pretty obvious it's a ponzi. People wearing the sig were not tagged though, since they were probably un-educated and there is a (really) small chance that it is legit. EcuiMobi had a post regarding that on doublebot's sig campaign page I think. Too lazy to find it though.