Proof that God exists

[BADecker]

The scientific proof that God exists is found by combining 3 scientific laws, and adding to the proof the definition of "God:"

1. Cause and effect;
2. Complex universe;
3. Universal Entropy.

Try it and see.

[adverbelly]

After long and secular debates about atheism, the need for a separate topic about God's existence has arisen.
There are amongst us a group of people who believe that while there is no proof that God exists, there also is no proof that He doesn't exist.
Please share your argument in a logical manner and abstain from saying things like "I'm right because I'm right".
I know that this, in the end, is a philosophical discussion so only logical are welcome.

i dont see any proof that the god exist so i cant give any evidence for it..

[CjMapope]

After long and secular debates about atheism, the need for a separate topic about God's existence has arisen.
There are amongst us a group of people who believe that while there is no proof that God exists, there also is no proof that He doesn't exist.
Please share your argument in a logical manner and abstain from saying things like "I'm right because I'm right".
I know that this, in the end, is a philosophical discussion so only logical are welcome.

i dont see any proof that the god exist so i cant give any evidence for it..

exactly. our society "believes" what we can see and touch plain and simple.
course to each their own, faith can have other impacts on ones life besides an "afterlife"

some people find community in faith, does that make a difference whether god "exists or not"
if you can get a positive from it in your life, power to you
i personally have built an awesome life, and did it without faith in a "god"
i am my own god, and not in an arrogant way, my body is my temple, as per the bible, but i rely on MYSELF to provide opportunity, not a man in the sky

[BADecker]

After long and secular debates about atheism, the need for a separate topic about God's existence has arisen.
There are amongst us a group of people who believe that while there is no proof that God exists, there also is no proof that He doesn't exist.
Please share your argument in a logical manner and abstain from saying things like "I'm right because I'm right".
I know that this, in the end, is a philosophical discussion so only logical are welcome.

i dont see any proof that the god exist so i cant give any evidence for it..

After long and secular debates about atheism, the need for a separate topic about God's existence has arisen.
There are amongst us a group of people who believe that while there is no proof that God exists, there also is no proof that He doesn't exist.
Please share your argument in a logical manner and abstain from saying things like "I'm right because I'm right".
I know that this, in the end, is a philosophical discussion so only logical are welcome.

i dont see any proof that the god exist so i cant give any evidence for it..

exactly. our society "believes" what we can see and touch plain and simple.
course to each their own, faith can have other impacts on ones life besides an "afterlife"

some people find community in faith, does that make a difference whether god "exists or not"
if you can get a positive from it in your life, power to you
i personally have built an awesome life, and did it without faith in a "god"
i am my own god, and not in an arrogant way, my body is my temple, as per the bible, but i rely on MYSELF to provide opportunity, not a man in the sky

What's the matter? Can't calculate the existence of God from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg13828550#msg13828550 ? No wonder you aren't scientists.

[Wapinter]

The proof of God's existence is everywhere.All you need is ponder over how everything play its role in perfect way.It weren't possible without someone controlling them

[BADecker]

The scientific proof that God exists is found by combining 3 scientific laws, and adding to the proof the definition of "God:"

1. Cause and effect;
2. Complex universe;
3. Universal Entropy.

Try it and see,

BADecker, you should not be using science and God in the same sentence.

re 1. Cause and effect;
What caused God to exist? Let me guess: uncaused cause of the Bible, perhaps?

re 2. Complex universe;
Yes it is.  So?  Just because you don't understand it does not mean that God created it.  
This is an argument from ignorance.

re 3. Universal Entropy.
The fact that entropy increases it does not mean God created the universe.
Quite an opposite.  Don't repeat this nonsense.  

BTW, science and atheism are not religions.  Both deal with rational reasoning and facts.

I shouldn't be using science and God together because it messes you up, right?

We can't understand things outside of cause and effect. Therefore we can't understand much of anything about the real nature of God.

Complexity doesn't come from something less complex.

Increasing entropy isn't the point. The point is that we don't see anything else... that is, anything that is opposite of entropy.

You still haven't combined the three. You are still trying to not see God, so you won't even try, right?

Anybody that believes science theory as fact has turned science into a religion for himself.

Atheism is most definitely a religion. All you need to do is compare the psychology of the atheist with the psychology of religion to find that they are the same. In addition, since God exists as proven by science, atheism is absolutely a religion.

[BADecker]

The proof of God's existence is everywhere.All you need is ponder over how everything play its role in perfect way.It weren't possible without someone controlling them

This is an argument from ignorance. 

If you don't understand something, try to figure out how it works, not to say "God must have created it because it is too complex".

Earth was not created 6000 years ago.  Evolutionary processes took a very long time to achieve the life complexity we observe today.

If Earth was created 6000 years ago, then yes, it would not make sense for such complexity to come about in just few thousand years.

But the fact is, Earth is about 4543000000 years old (+/- 50000000)

Except that you don't know this, because scientists have miscalculated universe age by billions of years.

Evolutionary process is simply programming. Cause and effect dictates that it absolutely is this way.

[BADecker]

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Evolutionary process is simply programming. Cause and effect dictates that it absolutely is this way.

LOL.  Programming eh?

Let me guess, and God is the programmer?

"Simply programming", just like that.  God did it, no need to study it, right?

Where is God's Nobel Price?

You got it, man. God is the programmer. But look at the science without looking in the God direction for a moment...

How ever the things of the so-called evolution came into being, it was through cause and effect. After all, everything is produced by one or more other things causing it to happen - EVERYTHING. Science has not found something that happened without something else causing it to happen. Another name for this is "programming."

[popcorn1]

EARTHALON IS YOUR GOD SO PRAY AND THANK IT FOR PUTTING YOU HERE..AND YES I HAVE PROOF OF MY CREATOR..

RECYCLE YOUR PLASTIC AND IT WILL HELP YOUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE..

EARTHALON..we call it the earth..but its real name is EARTHALON ITS ALIVE..help EARTHALON to help you..please recycle your plastic ..not asking you to hug trees just please recycle your plastic..At least do that if you want to take it further and recycle all your waste then happy days EARTHALON
will be most pleased..

NOW LETS CLAP AND SING

Don't you dare laff at my religion its much better than all the other religions at least mine is fact..well it being called earthalon is a lie i made that bit up but only 2 lie..
how many lies do all the other religions have.. MINE ONLY AS 2.. THE EARTH CREATED YOU SO PRAY TO EARTHALON AND THANK IT FOR PUTTING YOU HERE..
EARTHALON say's better to recycle than to pray

You do good by EARTHALON and when you die you go to the next multi EARTHALON..you become recycled

Now what i say is it all bull?

sounds more believable than the other 3 main religions .

EARTHALON..Give humans emotions when someone does wrong to you then you feel the emotions..
If your emotions hurt your feelings then don't do it to someone else

[BADecker]

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Evolutionary process is simply programming. Cause and effect dictates that it absolutely is this way.

LOL.  Programming eh?

Let me guess, and God is the programmer?

"Simply programming", just like that.  God did it, no need to study it, right?

Where is God's Nobel Price?

You got it, man. God is the programmer. But look at the science without looking in the God direction for a moment...

How ever the things of the so-called evolution came into being, it was through cause and effect. After all, everything is produced by one or more other things causing it to happen - EVERYTHING. Science has not found something that happened without something else causing it to happen. Another name for this is "programming."

So your proof is:  Because there is a cause, there must be a 'causee' or God that caused it.

You are missing it. Because there is an effect/reaction, there is a cause/action. Standard science.

This is circular logic.  If everything has a cause, what caused God to exist?  You getting nowhere fast.

No circular logic. God is different. How do we know? Because He made the universe. He is not the universe making Himself.

Cause and effect is what we understand. We barely understand the concept of effect without cause. Sure, we can say the words. But nobody really understands what they mean this way.

[BADecker]

No circular logic. God is different. How do we know? Because He made the universe. He is not the universe making Himself.

Cause and effect is what we understand. We barely understand the concept of effect without cause. Sure, we can say the words. But nobody really understands what they mean this way.

It does not matter, even if he was outside of universe, he still has to have a cause.  According to your logic.
Every effect has a cause.  If he exists he must have a cause.  Your own logic.

Unless of course you make exception in God's case.  LOL.  If you do, why bother with any logic.  You can always short-circuit any reasoning with
convenient (unproven) exceptions, Bible, Holy Quran etc.

I think guys like you don't need any proof God exist to believe in him/her/it.  That is the difference between folks like you and the rest of people who use logic and reasoning.

There is no reason for something outside the universe to act according to laws inside the universe. And there is even less reason if the Thing is God.

The evidence for this is that we can't even think of what outside of the universe means, because the word "universe" means everything that exists. If there is something outside the universe, there is no way to think anything about its nature. The only way we might have understanding about it is, if it interjects some of the knowledge about itself into our universe.

Any interjected knowledge would be in symbolism form, because if it matched the stuff of this universe, then it would be part of this universe. Because of this, God, being outside the universe, absolutely cannot have a cause that He is the effect of.

[BADecker]

No circular logic. God is different. How do we know? Because He made the universe. He is not the universe making Himself.

Cause and effect is what we understand. We barely understand the concept of effect without cause. Sure, we can say the words. But nobody really understands what they mean this way.

It does not matter, even if he was outside of universe, he still has to have a cause.  According to your logic.
Every effect has a cause.  If he exists he must have a cause.  Your own logic.

Unless of course you make exception in God's case.  LOL.  If you do, why bother with any logic.  You can always short-circuit any reasoning with
convenient (unproven) exceptions, Bible, Holy Quran etc.

I think guys like you don't need any proof God exist to believe in him/her/it.  That is the difference between folks like you and the rest of people who use logic and reasoning.

There is no reason for something outside the universe to act according to laws inside the universe. And there is even less reason if the Thing is God.

The evidence for this is that we can't even think of what outside of the universe means, because the word "universe" means everything that exists. If there is something outside the universe, there is no way to think anything about its nature. The only way we might have understanding about it is, if it interjects some of the knowledge about itself into our universe.

Any interjected knowledge would be in symbolism form, because if it matched the stuff of this universe, then it would be part of this universe. Because of this, God, being outside the universe, absolutely cannot have a cause that He is the effect of.

ok.  So basically he is imaginary.  Thanks for the clarification.

How fast you forget. Science has proven the existence of God:
1. cause and effect;
2. complex universe;
3. universal entropy.

[yugo23]

No circular logic. God is different. How do we know? Because He made the universe. He is not the universe making Himself.

Cause and effect is what we understand. We barely understand the concept of effect without cause. Sure, we can say the words. But nobody really understands what they mean this way.

It does not matter, even if he was outside of universe, he still has to have a cause.  According to your logic.
Every effect has a cause.  If he exists he must have a cause.  Your own logic.

Unless of course you make exception in God's case.  LOL.  If you do, why bother with any logic.  You can always short-circuit any reasoning with
convenient (unproven) exceptions, Bible, Holy Quran etc.

I think guys like you don't need any proof God exist to believe in him/her/it.  That is the difference between folks like you and the rest of people who use logic and reasoning.

There is no reason for something outside the universe to act according to laws inside the universe. And there is even less reason if the Thing is God.

The evidence for this is that we can't even think of what outside of the universe means, because the word "universe" means everything that exists. If there is something outside the universe, there is no way to think anything about its nature. The only way we might have understanding about it is, if it interjects some of the knowledge about itself into our universe.

Any interjected knowledge would be in symbolism form, because if it matched the stuff of this universe, then it would be part of this universe. Because of this, God, being outside the universe, absolutely cannot have a cause that He is the effect of.

ok.  So basically he is imaginary.  Thanks for the clarification.

How fast you forget. Science has proven the existence of God:
1. cause and effect;
2. complex universe;
3. universal entropy.

And did you consider it could be only how the universe works? And not God?

[yugo23]

The proof of God's existence is everywhere.All you need is ponder over how everything play its role in perfect way.It weren't possible without someone controlling them

This is an argument from ignorance. 

If you don't understand something, try to figure out how it works, not to say "God must have created it because it is too complex".

Earth was not created 6000 years ago.  Evolutionary processes took a very long time to achieve the life complexity we observe today.

If Earth was created 6000 years ago, then yes, it would not make sense for such complexity to come about in just few thousand years.

But the fact is, Earth is about 4543000000 years old (+/- 50000000)

Except that you don't know this, because scientists have miscalculated universe age by billions of years.

Evolutionary process is simply programming. Cause and effect dictates that it absolutely is this way.

So now God gets a credit for the evolution?  If he is responsible, how come Bible (word of God ) is not mentioning it.  I guess he forgot to put that in.

No point to argue with you guys.  You will believe in God no matter what.  You will be adapting your religion soon.
Neuroscientists are very close to mapping of human brain and extending it in silicon.  You should plan what you are going to do once scientists prove that there is no soul.  But I'm sure you'll come up with some story to cover up the hole. 

Maybe you can twist some quotes from your holy books.  Get cracking...

Anyway when you come down to Earth, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQm6N60bneo
 

Yeah this guys eats crak xD

For him anything good or complex in this world was made by God.
He doesn't care about the FACT that the Bible explains how God created each creatures how they are right now, and that no mention of evolution was ever made... Now that we discovered it he steals it from science to give it to God...

[valta4065]

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Evolutionary process is simply programming. Cause and effect dictates that it absolutely is this way.

LOL.  Programming eh?

Let me guess, and God is the programmer?

"Simply programming", just like that.  God did it, no need to study it, right?

Where is God's Nobel Price?

You got it, man. God is the programmer. But look at the science without looking in the God direction for a moment...

How ever the things of the so-called evolution came into being, it was through cause and effect. After all, everything is produced by one or more other things causing it to happen - EVERYTHING. Science has not found something that happened without something else causing it to happen. Another name for this is "programming."

Ok now just answer this question:

If Bible is the truth why was it written that God created all the animals as they are now? Did God created the Dinosaurs only to see them extinct?

[BADecker]

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Evolutionary process is simply programming. Cause and effect dictates that it absolutely is this way.

LOL.  Programming eh?

Let me guess, and God is the programmer?

"Simply programming", just like that.  God did it, no need to study it, right?

Where is God's Nobel Price?

You got it, man. God is the programmer. But look at the science without looking in the God direction for a moment...

How ever the things of the so-called evolution came into being, it was through cause and effect. After all, everything is produced by one or more other things causing it to happen - EVERYTHING. Science has not found something that happened without something else causing it to happen. Another name for this is "programming."

Ok now just answer this question:

If Bible is the truth why was it written that God created all the animals as they are now? Did God created the Dinosaurs only to see them extinct?

Your question isn't clear enough to answer.

When you look at the fossil record, it shows roughly 3 to 4 times the varieties of creatures that we can find alive on the earth today. As species die off, that number is increasing.

In addition, we breed certain animals in ways to make forms that are different. We do this with plants as well. Probably nature does this in some ways on its own.

Universal cause and effect shows that this is all programmed into nature. Even our supposedly free will breeding of plants and animals has been programmed into us so that we do it in the ways we are doing it, by programming, not free will.

[BADecker]

The proof of God's existence is everywhere.All you need is ponder over how everything play its role in perfect way.It weren't possible without someone controlling them

This is an argument from ignorance. 

If you don't understand something, try to figure out how it works, not to say "God must have created it because it is too complex".

Earth was not created 6000 years ago.  Evolutionary processes took a very long time to achieve the life complexity we observe today.

If Earth was created 6000 years ago, then yes, it would not make sense for such complexity to come about in just few thousand years.

But the fact is, Earth is about 4543000000 years old (+/- 50000000)

Except that you don't know this, because scientists have miscalculated universe age by billions of years.

Evolutionary process is simply programming. Cause and effect dictates that it absolutely is this way.

So now God gets a credit for the evolution?  If he is responsible, how come Bible (word of God ) is not mentioning it.  I guess he forgot to put that in.

No point to argue with you guys.  You will believe in God no matter what.  You will be adapting your religion soon.
Neuroscientists are very close to mapping of human brain and extending it in silicon.  You should plan what you are going to do once scientists prove that there is no soul.  But I'm sure you'll come up with some story to cover up the hole. 

Maybe you can twist some quotes from your holy books.  Get cracking...

Anyway when you come down to Earth, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQm6N60bneo
 

God gets credit for everything good. He even gets credit for mercifully maintaining everything when mankind would have destroyed it long ago.

Regarding evolution, our understanding of it is incomplete. If scientists would apply universal cause and effect to evolution, they would start to see God. They don't want to see God, so they don't talk about applying cause and effect to their evolution experiments.

Since you seem to want to believe that God doesn't exist in the face of science that shows He does exist, you prove that you are not scientific, but that you are religious, while only saying that you are scientific.

Nobody needs holy books to see that God exists. However, scientists often ignore lots of areas of their science "holy" books when they suggest that God, who is proven to exist by science, does not exist.

[BADecker]

No circular logic. God is different. How do we know? Because He made the universe. He is not the universe making Himself.

Cause and effect is what we understand. We barely understand the concept of effect without cause. Sure, we can say the words. But nobody really understands what they mean this way.

It does not matter, even if he was outside of universe, he still has to have a cause.  According to your logic.
Every effect has a cause.  If he exists he must have a cause.  Your own logic.

Unless of course you make exception in God's case.  LOL.  If you do, why bother with any logic.  You can always short-circuit any reasoning with
convenient (unproven) exceptions, Bible, Holy Quran etc.

I think guys like you don't need any proof God exist to believe in him/her/it.  That is the difference between folks like you and the rest of people who use logic and reasoning.

There is no reason for something outside the universe to act according to laws inside the universe. And there is even less reason if the Thing is God.

The evidence for this is that we can't even think of what outside of the universe means, because the word "universe" means everything that exists. If there is something outside the universe, there is no way to think anything about its nature. The only way we might have understanding about it is, if it interjects some of the knowledge about itself into our universe.

Any interjected knowledge would be in symbolism form, because if it matched the stuff of this universe, then it would be part of this universe. Because of this, God, being outside the universe, absolutely cannot have a cause that He is the effect of.

ok.  So basically he is imaginary.  Thanks for the clarification.

How fast you forget. Science has proven the existence of God:
1. cause and effect;
2. complex universe;
3. universal entropy.

And did you consider it could be only how the universe works? And not God?

Absolutely. This consideration proves to not be a consideration when examined in the light of science.

[BADecker]

The proof of God's existence is everywhere.All you need is ponder over how everything play its role in perfect way.It weren't possible without someone controlling them

This is an argument from ignorance. 

If you don't understand something, try to figure out how it works, not to say "God must have created it because it is too complex".

Earth was not created 6000 years ago.  Evolutionary processes took a very long time to achieve the life complexity we observe today.

If Earth was created 6000 years ago, then yes, it would not make sense for such complexity to come about in just few thousand years.

But the fact is, Earth is about 4543000000 years old (+/- 50000000)

Except that you don't know this, because scientists have miscalculated universe age by billions of years.

Evolutionary process is simply programming. Cause and effect dictates that it absolutely is this way.

So now God gets a credit for the evolution?  If he is responsible, how come Bible (word of God ) is not mentioning it.  I guess he forgot to put that in.

No point to argue with you guys.  You will believe in God no matter what.  You will be adapting your religion soon.
Neuroscientists are very close to mapping of human brain and extending it in silicon.  You should plan what you are going to do once scientists prove that there is no soul.  But I'm sure you'll come up with some story to cover up the hole. 

Maybe you can twist some quotes from your holy books.  Get cracking...

Anyway when you come down to Earth, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQm6N60bneo
 

Yeah this guys eats crak xD

For him anything good or complex in this world was made by God.
He doesn't care about the FACT that the Bible explains how God created each creatures how they are right now, and that no mention of evolution was ever made... Now that we discovered it he steals it from science to give it to God...

Scientists themselves tell us that they barely understand how evolution works. Yet, if evolution is the truth, it has been there all along.

Since God has been proven to exist by science, God knows all about evolution, since He is the one Who set cause and effect in place that drives evolution to be what it is.

[craked5]

Absolutely. This consideration proves to not be a consideration when examined in the light of science.

Wow, seems you got to teach me some science then...