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The Silver Arrows still have the advantage over Ferrari it seems like.  Even with the new rules, the engine advantage that Mercedes has is just too tough to overcome.

Australian GP Qualifying Times

1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:22.188
2 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1:22.456
3 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 1:22.481
4 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1:23.033
5 Max Verstappen Red Bull 1:23.485
6 Romain Grosjean Haas 1:24.074
7 Felipe Massa Williams 1:24.443
8 Carlos Sainz Toro Rosso 1:24.487
9 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso 1:24.512
10 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull no time
11 Sergio Perez Force India 1:25.081
12 Nico Hulkenberg Renault 1:25.091
13 Fernando Alonso McLaren 1:25.425
14 Esteban Ocon Force India 1:25.568
15 Marcus Ericsson Sauber 1:26.465
16 Antonio Giovinazzi Sauber 1:26.419
17 Kevin Magnussen Haas 1:26.847
18 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren 1:26.858
19 Lance Stroll Williams 1:27.143
20 Jolyon Palmer Renault 1:28.244

It looks like another nail in the coffin of Mclaren-Honda Reunion with these times. If it is true that the potential of the mercedes engine is far ahead of the competition this will be another boring F1 Championship to watch but maybe it will be good for gamblers as there will be high odds for the non favorites and I remember it was a race last year which finished with Fernando Alonso fastest lap of the race, the odd for this was 100.

Remember that but was hopping to see from Renault they were good in testing but seem when real thing is they drop out, good to see finally more competitive Ferrari this season and hopping to see them fight trough the end of this race tomorrow.

[Dux2K]

Grid places decided by combined free practice times after standing water forced qualifying to be cancelled.

Sunday's warm-up will be extended by 10mins but otherwise the race day schedule is unchanged...

1.    Maverick Vinales    ESP   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)
2.    Andrea Iannone    ITA   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)
3.    Marc Marquez    ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)
4.    Johann Zarco    FRA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*
5.    Andrea Dovizioso    ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)
6.    Scott Redding    GBR   Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16)
7.    Dani Pedrosa    ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)
8.    Jonas Folger GER   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*
9.    Cal Crutchlow    GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)
10.    Valentino Rossi    ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)
11.    Danilo Petrucci    ITA   Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17)
12.    Jorge Lorenzo    ESP   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)
13.    Alvaro Bautista    ESP   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP16)
14.    Loris Baz    FRA   Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15)
15.    Aleix Espargaro    ESP   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)
16.    Jack Miller    AUS   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)
17.    Karel Abraham    CZE   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP15)
18.    Alex Rins    ESP   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)*
19.    Tito Rabat    ESP   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)
20.    Hector Barbera    ESP   Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16)
21.    Sam Lowes    GBR   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)*
22.    Pol Espargaro    ESP   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)
23.    Bradley Smith    GBR   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)

* Rookie

[bbc.reporter]

I was disappointed that I lost my bet on Sebastian Vettel to be 1st in qualifying. But it was still a good performance and effort by Ferrari. I hope they maintain their competitiveness untl the end of the year. It is also very surprising to see Valteri so quick. He is no pushover.

[tokeweed]

Well it looks like Ferrari's pace wasn't all hype after all.  He's currently first after a few laps.  This will be a good season. 

And it's also nice to make a few value bets on Hamilton as the underdog for a change.  Good job for Ferrari.  I'm happy that we might see Vettel's finger from time to time this year.

[novemberwoah]

Grid places decided by combined free practice times after standing water forced qualifying to be cancelled.

Sunday's warm-up will be extended by 10mins but otherwise the race day schedule is unchanged...

1.    Maverick Vinales    ESP   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)
2.    Andrea Iannone    ITA   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)
3.    Marc Marquez    ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)
4.    Johann Zarco    FRA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*
5.    Andrea Dovizioso    ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)
6.    Scott Redding    GBR   Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16)
7.    Dani Pedrosa    ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)
8.    Jonas Folger GER   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*
9.    Cal Crutchlow    GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)
10.    Valentino Rossi    ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)
11.    Danilo Petrucci    ITA   Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17)
12.    Jorge Lorenzo    ESP   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)
13.    Alvaro Bautista    ESP   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP16)
14.    Loris Baz    FRA   Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15)
15.    Aleix Espargaro    ESP   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)
16.    Jack Miller    AUS   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)
17.    Karel Abraham    CZE   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP15)
18.    Alex Rins    ESP   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)*
19.    Tito Rabat    ESP   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)
20.    Hector Barbera    ESP   Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16)
21.    Sam Lowes    GBR   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)*
22.    Pol Espargaro    ESP   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)
23.    Bradley Smith    GBR   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)

* Rookie

A few more hours Moto Gp 2017 will take place, this is very exciting for me. Vinales always be the fastest in any session and the race later will prove whether he will be the fastest and finished 1. Vinales and Marquez will compete to be the best, I think Rossi will also follow them. For Lorenzo I think it will not finish in the top 4 because he must be adapt to Ducati.

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Australian Grand Prix - Race results
Full Australian Grand Prix race results following the opening round of the 2017 World Championship at Albert Park, Melbourne

1. Sebastian Vettel   GER Ferrari - Ferrari   57 laps
2. Lewis Hamilton   GBR Mercedes - Mercedes   +9.975s
3. Valtteri Bottas   FIN Mercedes - Mercedes   +11.250
4. Kimi Raikkonen   FIN Ferrari - Ferrari   +22.393s
5. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull - TAG   +28.827
6. Felipe Massa   BRA Williams - Mercedes   +1m 23.386s
7. Sergio Perez   MEX Force India-Mercedes   +1 lap
8. Carlos Sainz   ESP Toro Rosso-Renault   +1 lap
9. Daniil Kvyat   RUS Toro Rosso-Renault   +1 lap
10. Esteban Ocon   FRA Force India-Mercedes   +1 lap

11. Nico Hulkenberg   GER Renault - Renault   +1 lap
12. Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA Sauber - Ferrari   +2 laps
13. Stoffel Vandoorne   BEL McLaren-Honda   +2 laps

Did not finish

14. Fernando Alonso   ESP McLaren-Honda   53 laps completed
15. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas-Ferrari   49 laps completed
16. Lance Stroll   CAN Williams - Mercedes   43 laps completed
17. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Red Bull - TAG   28 laps completed
18. Marcus Ericsson   SWE Sauber - Ferrari   23 laps completed
19. Jolyon Palmer   GBR Renault - Renault   18 laps completed
20. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas-Ferrari   15 laps completed

Withdrawn

Pascal Wehrlein   GER Sauber - Ferrari

[LTU_btc]

I'm feeling a bit disappointed about first GP of the season, it was boring. Yes, it's interesting to see Ferrari in good shape so far. But Mercedes made mistake - Hamilton pit stop was to early. But until pit stop, gap between Hamilton and Vettel wasn't big.
Other teams didn't prepared well for first GP, they had lot of technical problems today.
Finally, I'm missing live timing on TV screen..

[cengsuwuei]

Australian Grand Prix - Race results
Full Australian Grand Prix race results following the opening round of the 2017 World Championship at Albert Park, Melbourne

1. Sebastian Vettel   GER Ferrari - Ferrari   57 laps
2. Lewis Hamilton   GBR Mercedes - Mercedes   +9.975s
3. Valtteri Bottas   FIN Mercedes - Mercedes   +11.250
4. Kimi Raikkonen   FIN Ferrari - Ferrari   +22.393s
5. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull - TAG   +28.827
6. Felipe Massa   BRA Williams - Mercedes   +1m 23.386s
7. Sergio Perez   MEX Force India-Mercedes   +1 lap
8. Carlos Sainz   ESP Toro Rosso-Renault   +1 lap
9. Daniil Kvyat   RUS Toro Rosso-Renault   +1 lap
10. Esteban Ocon   FRA Force India-Mercedes   +1 lap

11. Nico Hulkenberg   GER Renault - Renault   +1 lap
12. Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA Sauber - Ferrari   +2 laps
13. Stoffel Vandoorne   BEL McLaren-Honda   +2 laps

Did not finish

14. Fernando Alonso   ESP McLaren-Honda   53 laps completed
15. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas-Ferrari   49 laps completed
16. Lance Stroll   CAN Williams - Mercedes   43 laps completed
17. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Red Bull - TAG   28 laps completed
18. Marcus Ericsson   SWE Sauber - Ferrari   23 laps completed
19. Jolyon Palmer   GBR Renault - Renault   18 laps completed
20. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas-Ferrari   15 laps completed

Withdrawn

Pascal Wehrlein   GER Sauber - Ferrari

amazing sebastian vettel can win from lewis hamilton
i think is good to competition this season 2017, because mercedes not dominant again,

[Dux2K]

I'm feeling a bit disappointed about first GP of the season, it was boring. Yes, it's interesting to see Ferrari in good shape so far. But Mercedes made mistake - Hamilton pit stop was to early. But until pit stop, gap between Hamilton and Vettel wasn't big.
Other teams didn't prepared well for first GP, they had lot of technical problems today.
Finally, I'm missing live timing on TV screen..

Next race will be like that to. Good to see Ferrari win after long time and maybe good for season that its started like this.

[bbc.reporter]

Australian Grand Prix - Race results
Full Australian Grand Prix race results following the opening round of the 2017 World Championship at Albert Park, Melbourne

1. Sebastian Vettel   GER Ferrari - Ferrari   57 laps
2. Lewis Hamilton   GBR Mercedes - Mercedes   +9.975s
3. Valtteri Bottas   FIN Mercedes - Mercedes   +11.250
4. Kimi Raikkonen   FIN Ferrari - Ferrari   +22.393s
5. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull - TAG   +28.827
6. Felipe Massa   BRA Williams - Mercedes   +1m 23.386s
7. Sergio Perez   MEX Force India-Mercedes   +1 lap
8. Carlos Sainz   ESP Toro Rosso-Renault   +1 lap
9. Daniil Kvyat   RUS Toro Rosso-Renault   +1 lap
10. Esteban Ocon   FRA Force India-Mercedes   +1 lap

11. Nico Hulkenberg   GER Renault - Renault   +1 lap
12. Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA Sauber - Ferrari   +2 laps
13. Stoffel Vandoorne   BEL McLaren-Honda   +2 laps

Did not finish

14. Fernando Alonso   ESP McLaren-Honda   53 laps completed
15. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas-Ferrari   49 laps completed
16. Lance Stroll   CAN Williams - Mercedes   43 laps completed
17. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Red Bull - TAG   28 laps completed
18. Marcus Ericsson   SWE Sauber - Ferrari   23 laps completed
19. Jolyon Palmer   GBR Renault - Renault   18 laps completed
20. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas-Ferrari   15 laps completed

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Pascal Wehrlein   GER Sauber - Ferrari

amazing sebastian vettel can win from lewis hamilton
i think is good to competition this season 2017, because mercedes not dominant again,

It was not really that amazing if you watched the race closely. Lewis Hamilton got caught up behind Max Verstappen when he came out of the pits. It would have been better if he came out behind Sebastian so we will see who is the quicker driver. I speculate Lewis would have overtaken Sebastian before the final lap if he had a clear exit. The Mercedes is the faster car.

[Loepuenkyou]

MotoGp result, first series in losail qatar

1.    Maverick Viñales    ESP    Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)    38m    59.999s   
2.    Andrea Dovizioso    ITA    Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)         39m    0.460s   
3.    Valentino Rossi        ITA    Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)    39m    1.927s   
4.    Marc Marquez        ESP    Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)             39m    6.744s   
5.    Dani Pedrosa        ESP    Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)              39m    7.127s   
6.    Aleix Espargaro        ESP    Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)          39m    7.660s   
7.    Scott Redding        GBR    Octo Pramac Racing (Desmo GP16)    39m    9.781s   
8.    Jack Miller        AUS    Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)     39m    14.485s   
9.    Alex Rins        ESP    Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)*                     39m    14.787s   
10.    Jonas Folger        GER    Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*      39m    15.068s   
11.    Jorge Lorenzo        ESP    Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)       39m    20.515s   
12.    Loris Baz        FRA    Reale Avintia Racing (Desmo GP15)           39m    21.254s   
13.    Hector Barbera        ESP    Reale Avintia Racing (Desmo GP16)  39m    28.827s   
14.    Karel Abraham        CZE    Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmo GP15)   39m    29.122s   
15.    Tito Rabat        ESP    Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)    39m    29.469s   
16.    Pol Espargaro        ESP    Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)  39m    33.600s   
17.    Bradley Smith        GBR    Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)  39m    39.703s   
18.    Sam Lowes        GBR    Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)*              39m    47.130s   

do not finish
9    Danilo PETRUCCI    ITA    OCTO Pramac Racing    Ducati    164.2    6 Laps
29    Andrea IANNONE    ITA    Team SUZUKI ECSTAR    Suzuki    164.9    10 Laps
19    Alvaro BAUTISTA    SPA    Pull&Bear Aspar Team    Ducati    164.1    13 Laps
5    Johann ZARCO        FRA    Yamaha Tech 3        Yamaha    164.9    14 Laps
35    Cal CRUTCHLOW    GBR    LCR Honda        Honda    147.5    16 Laps

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Only thing that i was sorry on MOTOGP race was Zarco when he crashed, great driving from Viñales, Rossi and Marquez had to bee very pleased with result, and biggest disappointment is Lorenzo. And to be honest with this he was smooth talker on this new Ducati but not that good at all.

This promise to be great season if first race was like this can image how will be rest of the season.

[novemberwoah]

Only thing that i was sorry on MOTOGP race was Zarco when he crashed, great driving from Viñales, Rossi and Marquez had to bee very pleased with result, and biggest disappointment is Lorenzo. And to be honest with this he was smooth talker on this new Ducati but not that good at all.

This promise to be great season if first race was like this can image how will be rest of the season.

True, very sorry Zarco could not finish supposed to be in wet track Ducati is very dominating but it could not be utilized Zarco. This is an advantage for Viñales, Rossi and Marquez. For Lorenzo seems indeed he must adapt to Ducati and it was not easy. I think Lorenzo is not good at this season, and he could not compete to become world champion.

[cicciobtc]

Australian Grand Prix - Race results
Full Australian Grand Prix race results following the opening round of the 2017 World Championship at Albert Park, Melbourne

1. Sebastian Vettel   GER Ferrari - Ferrari   57 laps
2. Lewis Hamilton   GBR Mercedes - Mercedes   +9.975s
3. Valtteri Bottas   FIN Mercedes - Mercedes   +11.250
4. Kimi Raikkonen   FIN Ferrari - Ferrari   +22.393s
5. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull - TAG   +28.827
6. Felipe Massa   BRA Williams - Mercedes   +1m 23.386s
7. Sergio Perez   MEX Force India-Mercedes   +1 lap
8. Carlos Sainz   ESP Toro Rosso-Renault   +1 lap
9. Daniil Kvyat   RUS Toro Rosso-Renault   +1 lap
10. Esteban Ocon   FRA Force India-Mercedes   +1 lap

11. Nico Hulkenberg   GER Renault - Renault   +1 lap
12. Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA Sauber - Ferrari   +2 laps
13. Stoffel Vandoorne   BEL McLaren-Honda   +2 laps

Did not finish

14. Fernando Alonso   ESP McLaren-Honda   53 laps completed
15. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas-Ferrari   49 laps completed
16. Lance Stroll   CAN Williams - Mercedes   43 laps completed
17. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Red Bull - TAG   28 laps completed
18. Marcus Ericsson   SWE Sauber - Ferrari   23 laps completed
19. Jolyon Palmer   GBR Renault - Renault   18 laps completed
20. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas-Ferrari   15 laps completed

Withdrawn

Pascal Wehrlein   GER Sauber - Ferrari

amazing sebastian vettel can win from lewis hamilton
i think is good to competition this season 2017, because mercedes not dominant again,

congratulations to Vettel and Ferrari that are finally back competitive. I think that Hamilton is always the favorite but at least there will be more balanced and fun.

[STT]

I agree but Hamilton owes his car quite alot for being favourite.  I dont think he is as dominant as some of the greatest drivers over the years that I can remember, I know he has the race wins on paper but he seems to fall short of his ability somehow    Partly its because of his age that he is probably towards the last section of a career at the very top, but I dont think he really peaked as highly as his early potential showed.  Hopefully he has the focus to stay on track and get another season win this year

[Dux2K]

After all it was great race weekend for both f1 and motogp but for me better was motogp. Hope tosee whole season like this racing weekend.

[bbc.reporter]

I agree but Hamilton owes his car quite alot for being favourite.  I dont think he is as dominant as some of the greatest drivers over the years that I can remember, I know he has the race wins on paper but he seems to fall short of his ability somehow    Partly its because of his age that he is probably towards the last section of a career at the very top, but I dont think he really peaked as highly as his early potential showed.  Hopefully he has the focus to stay on track and get another season win this year

Can you name the drivers who were dominant that did not have the best car on the grid? From my limited knowledge in Formula 1, I have seen that the dominant team usually has something new that was introduced to their cars. This sport is not only about the drivers but it is also about the team of engineers who built the car.

[cengsuwuei]

Only thing that i was sorry on MOTOGP race was Zarco when he crashed, great driving from Viñales, Rossi and Marquez had to bee very pleased with result, and biggest disappointment is Lorenzo. And to be honest with this he was smooth talker on this new Ducati but not that good at all.

This promise to be great season if first race was like this can image how will be rest of the season.

True, very sorry Zarco could not finish supposed to be in wet track Ducati is very dominating but it could not be utilized Zarco. This is an advantage for Viñales, Rossi and Marquez. For Lorenzo seems indeed he must adapt to Ducati and it was not easy. I think Lorenzo is not good at this season, and he could not compete to become world champion.

only casey stoner can control and good rider use ducati
i think lorenzo with ducati can same with rossi use ducati several later, not compete wold champion, only win in one series is good result from lorenzo, until now lorenzo still under team mate in ducati dovizioso, dovi still good performance use ducati with the race track that many of straight track

[azguard]

Only thing that i was sorry on MOTOGP race was Zarco when he crashed, great driving from Viñales, Rossi and Marquez had to bee very pleased with result, and biggest disappointment is Lorenzo. And to be honest with this he was smooth talker on this new Ducati but not that good at all.

This promise to be great season if first race was like this can image how will be rest of the season.

True, very sorry Zarco could not finish supposed to be in wet track Ducati is very dominating but it could not be utilized Zarco. This is an advantage for Viñales, Rossi and Marquez. For Lorenzo seems indeed he must adapt to Ducati and it was not easy. I think Lorenzo is not good at this season, and he could not compete to become world champion.

only casey stoner can control and good rider use ducati
i think lorenzo with ducati can same with rossi use ducati several later, not compete wold champion, only win in one series is good result from lorenzo, until now lorenzo still under team mate in ducati dovizioso, dovi still good performance use ducati with the race track that many of straight track

Yea Stoner was only one who drive ducati like it should ride. But Dovizioso is doing good job with the bike to. Think that Lorenzo made same mistake as Rossi joining with ducati but think he might be good here cuz he pull his mechanic with him. After all this is only first race we will see how it will be in next ones.

[cicciobtc]

after the first GP of F1 and convincing race of Vettel and Ferrari the bookamers have updated the odds significantly:

Drivers Championship Winner F1 2017:

Hamilton   @1.95
Vettel        @2.50
Bottas       @9.00
Raikkonen@18.00
Verstappen@20.00
Ricciardo   @30.00




Constructors Winner F1 2017:

Mercedes@1.55
Ferrari    @2.75
Red Bull  @17.00


The Mercedes has a slight advantage over Ferrari, however the Red Bull seems very far this year