[DASH] Dash - Building the IoM | Dash Nation Progress Thread

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

Dash Developers Focus On Fiat Gateways And Partnerships:

https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/4ewzfk/dash_developers_focus_on_fiat_gateways_and/

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Proposal: Resubmittal for Reimbursement for Acquisition & Setup of Dashtalk

https://dashtalk.org/threads/proposal-resubmittal-for-reimbursement-for-acquisition-setup-of-dashtalk.8677/

#DashNation #IoM

[qwizzie]

Question : Why is there no gold at the end of the rainbow?
Answer : The Leprechan took it and sold it for Dash  

[generalizethis]

Question : Why is there no gold at the end of the rainbow?
Answer : The Leprechan took it and sold it for Dash  

Question : Why did the cryptoanarchist cross the road?
Answer : Because dashers kept trying to sell him an oligarchy 

[Macno]

Question : Why is there no gold at the end of the rainbow?
Answer : The Leprechan took it and sold it for Dash  

Question : Why did the cryptoanarchist cross the road?
Answer : Because dashers kept trying to sell him an oligarchy 

I see your "political views" are "forcing" you to troll again.

[generalizethis]

Question : Why is there no gold at the end of the rainbow?
Answer : The Leprechan took it and sold it for Dash  

Question : Why did the cryptoanarchist cross the road?
Answer : Because dashers kept trying to sell him an oligarchy 

I see your "political views" are "forcing" you to troll again.

Actually the "joke" as cheap shilling is "forcing" me to mock the attempt.

[Macno]

Question : Why is there no gold at the end of the rainbow?
Answer : The Leprechan took it and sold it for Dash  

Question : Why did the cryptoanarchist cross the road?
Answer : Because dashers kept trying to sell him an oligarchy 

I see your "political views" are "forcing" you to troll again.

Actually the "joke" as cheap shilling is "forcing" me to mock the attempt.

What other cointhreads "force" you to patrol and prosecute them for infringements of cryptoanarchistic orthodoxy?
Is there actually any other coins apart from Monero living up to the high standards you have?

[TPTB_need_war]

enforcing worldwide spread is not easy, and perhaps not doable.
They tried doing it with porn in the 90's, file sharing in 2000's and so on...
and servers kept over heating and got fried up

As I explained the key distinction upthread, those are free markets because they are decentralized and there is no significant asymmetry of information which makes it otherwise.

It pisses me off when readers waste my expensive time by ignoring what I already wrote twice in this thread. This makes three times. Please readers don't make me teach this again by writing another post which ignores my prior points.

I still dont understand why your'e calling waves a scam only cuz it made an ico (like everyone now).
Its devs are legit, real names with real work behind them.
So they thought charles and kushti are friends which will support them, and were wrong, apologized and moved on.
everyone got their asses covered legaly ofc..
so if you think all ico's are scams, you got lots of work now not just on waves bro

Please clearify. tnx

1. I already provided the link to the thread two or three times in this thread, which explains that ICOs sold to non-accredited USA investors are ostensibly illegal.

I hate ICOs by now for other reasons:

2. They contribute to the mainstream thinking that crypto-currency is a scam and thus we will have great difficulty getting CC widely adopted if don't put a stop to these scams.

3. They extract capital to a few scammers, which could be better used to build our real ecosystems which are not vaporware and have real decentralized designs, such as Bitcoin and Monero.

4. They prey on the ignorance of n00b speculators, thus can never be a free market.

5. They can never attain adoption because they destroy the Nash equilibrium and decentralization of the ecosystem:

As an example: I can show that dash is an oligarchy, whether intentional or not, due to the way their paynode scheme works. These systems are designed to work trustlessly, so any hiccups (intentional or not) should be invalidated by the design, not left-up to the good or bad intentions of those who are engaged with it.

did the monero wrote that fact about infinite supply in their ann Huh   if i was an investard in monero i would feel cheated if it isnt

No one can fork Monero without the support of the decentralized miners. The distinction from the Dash masternode scam, is that a masternode is staked only once with DRK (Dash tokens) and earns 50+% ROI per annum forever after for the largest holders of Dash tokens, thus further centralizing the coin meaning there is a centralized oligarchy which the investors are relying on for their future expecation of profits which afaics fulfills the Howey test for what is an investment security that is regulated by the Securities Act. A decentralized PoW miner is constantly expending on electricity in a competitive free market. Owning a lot of Monero doesn't give you any leverage as a miner.

New post to better articulate why permissioned ledger, closed entopy systems likely have no value:

The problem with Emunie, as I talked about in the IOTA thread, is that any system that doesn't have permanent coin turnover via mining, removes mining completely, or puts some type of abstraction layer between mining and block reward (as in the case of IOTA), is a permissioned ledger.  People got too caught up in trying to improve on consensus mechanisms and forgot what actually constitutes a decentralized currency in the first place.

When Maxwell said he "proved mathematically that Bitcoin couldn't exist" and then it did exist, it was because he didn't take open entropy systems into account.  He already knew stuff like NXT or Emunie could exist, but nobody actually considered them to be decentralized.  They're distributed but not decentralized.  Basically stocks that come from a central authority and then the shareholders attempt to form a nash equilibrium to...siphon fees from other shareholders in a zero sum game because there is no nash equilibrium to be had by outsiders adopting a closed entropy system in the first place...

Take for example the real world use case of a nash equilbrium in finance.  There's many rival nations on earth and they're all competing in currency wars, manipulating, devaluing, etc.  They would all be better off with an undisputed unit of account that the other can't tamper with for trade.  In order to adopt said unit, it would have to be a permissionless system that each nation has access to where one of the group isn't suspected to have an enormous advantage over the others, otherwise they would all just say no.

This is why gold was utilized at all.  Yea, some territories had more than others, but nobody actually knew what was under the ground at the time.  Everyone just agreed it was scarce, valuable, and nobody really had a monopoly on it.  There are really no circumstances where people on an individual level or nation-state level can come together to form any kind of nash equilibrium in a closed entropy system.  The market is cornered by design, and for value to increase, others need to willingly submit to the equivalent of an extortion scheme.  The only time systems like that have value at all is when governments use coercion to force them onto people.

6. Because they are not decentralized and rely on expectation of profits based on the performance of a core group, ICOs turn what should be a competition for creating the best technology into a fist fucking fest of ad hominem and political games:

Let's psychoanalyze those want to troll me with a thread like this. Actually I have no censorship motivated objection about making a thread about me (I wish so much, it was possible to do something great without attaining any personal fame), it just feels really stupid because I (the idealist in me) think the technology is more important than the person, which is one of the main reasons I hate vaporware ICOs.

This thread serves mainly to deflect attention away from Dash's instamine scam.

+1 for conscious reason.

The subconscious reason this thread exists is the psychological phenomenon that it is better to destroy everyone, than to fail alone.

"I dropped my ice cream in the mud, so now I am throwing mud on your ice cream so we are the same, because God hates us equally".

This is what socialism built. Equality is prosperity, because fairness is the uniformity of nature's Gaussian distribution. Equality is a human right! Didn't you know that!

They would rather waste the time of important coders whose time would be better spent coding a solution for humanity, so as to satisfy their inability to accept their mistakes and jealousy.

7. ICOs have less liquidity because they are not widely distributed and due to #5:

you can read my observations here.

Interesting post.

The salient quote is of course:

Why litecoin? Liquidity. These guys own 5 and 6 digits amount of BTC. They need massive liquidity to increase their holdings by any significant degree. And as such litecoin has been a blessing. Will history repeat itself?

I've had that in my mind for a loooong time. Liquidity is absolutely necessary for the design, marketing, and distribution of crypto-currency, if you want to succeed.

[Macno]

It pisses me off when readers waste my expensive time by ignoring what I already wrote twice in this thread. This makes three times. Please readers don't make me teach this again by writing another post which ignores my prior points.

Please enlighten me how expensive your time actually is, in order to be able to fully appreciate your generosity.

[TPTB_need_war]

It pisses me off when readers waste my expensive time by ignoring what I already wrote twice in this thread. This makes three times. Please readers don't make me teach this again by writing another post which ignores my prior points.

Please enlighten me how expensive your time actually is, in order to be able to fully appreciate your generosity.

No. You'll find out eventually. I will not allow you to waste my expensive time. You are now on Ignore jealous troll.

[Macrochip]

Apparently your time is cheap enough to spam the same message on 11 different threads, 10 of which it's completely off topic in.

Who besides Moroneros takes this lunatic serious anyway? He has achieved nothing (despite incessantly claiming so) but endlessly typing hateful bullshit all over this place.

[TPTB_need_war]

Apparently your time is cheap enough to spam the same message on 11 different threads, 10 of which it's completely off topic in.

ICO=premine=instancemine is entirely relevant in all 11 threads. I didn't create the duplicate threads. You pumpers did.

[Macrochip]

Apparently your time is cheap enough to spam the same message on 11 different threads, 10 of which it's completely off topic in.

ICO=premine=instancemine is entirely relevant in all 11 threads. I didn't create the duplicate threads. You pumpers did.

a) It is absolutely not relevant, that's why I reported every single instance as spam and off topic.
b) Interesting who you're calling "pumpers":



Careful not to bite the hand that feeds you, scamcoiner.

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

Good morning all.

We are definitely making progress in this thread, keeping true to the thread title. The false narrative of the last two years is giving way to the real truth, which is that Dash represents progress, optimism and decentralized technology. The team behind Dash is talented, driven and cohesively focused on one goal: Bringing to the world the true digital cash that Satoshi envisioned: the Internet Of Money.

Evan Duffield, who's name has been needlessly dragged through the mud for two years on these forums, is a professional, extremely hard-working, and honest man. I have seen times where people have sent him their wallet.dat with real funds in it so he could recover them, which he did and promptly sent the wallet back. I'm deeply proud to be associated with him, and to be part of the team creating this wonderful product.

Thanks for bearing with us as the truth slowly starts to set in. Two years is a long time.

I invite you to join us in Dash Nation.

Tao (Dash Nation Campaign Founder)

[Lukas_Jackson]

Apparently your time is cheap enough to spam the same message on 11 different threads, 10 of which it's completely off topic in.

ICO=premine=instancemine is entirely relevant in all 11 threads. I didn't create the duplicate threads. You pumpers did.

a) It is absolutely not relevant, that's why I reported every single instance as spam and off topic.
b) Interesting who you're calling "pumpers":



Careful not to bite the hand that feeds you, scamcoiner.

TPTB cought on lying, deceit, yet again. He try to disrupt the alt scene a little because he has something to release in near future. Need to fit in with good timing?
He fights for peoples money, that's it. No honesty in his talk these days.
But...he's not capable of doing, he can only talk, spam, copy_paste.

Everyone monitors Dash threads. Is DASH really that great that it needs its own groupies?

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

Why does Tao keep posting that Dash can be the Internet Of Money? What's he smokin'?

https://www.rebelmouse.com/dashnation/the-internet-1715527827.html

#DashNation #IoM

[generalizethis]

Good morning all.

We are definitely making progress in this thread, keeping true to the thread title. The false narrative of the last two years is giving way to the real truth, which is that Dash represents progress, optimism and decentralized technology. The team behind Dash is talented, driven and cohesively focused on one goal: Bringing to the world the true digital cash that Satoshi envisioned: the Internet Of Money.

Evan Duffield, who's name has been needlessly dragged through the mud for two years on these forums, is a professional, extremely hard-working, and honest man. I have seen times where people have sent him their wallet.dat with real funds in it so he could recover them, which he did and promptly sent the wallet back. I'm deeply proud to be associated with him, and to be part of the team creating this wonderful product.

Thanks for bearing with us as the truth slowly starts to set in. Two years is a long time.

I invite you to join us in Dash Nation.

Tao (Dash Nation Campaign Founder)

www.dash.org

www.rebelmouse.com/dashnation

https://DashTalk.org

www.dashndrink.com

Hmmmmm, so your narrative is that Evan didn't steal these people's funds because he can be trusted? Instead of the narrative that he didn't steal their funds because it's chump change in the grand scheme of the things?

Let's further analyze--a potential lifetime of taxation for every node he owns versus a one time heist that could cause further investigation into his actions and destroy his reputation once and for all?

What I think Tao has done better than anyone else in the dash community is correctly identify that the dash oligarchy (since it can't be verified or unverified trustlessly) must be fed with a continual line of peasants/greater-fools who implicitly trust in Evan's development and economic motivations rather than that the system itself was designed to prevent an oligarchy. Well played--except for the obvious misunderstanding that programmable money is supposed to work trustlessly .

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

Good morning all.

We are definitely making progress in this thread, keeping true to the thread title. The false narrative of the last two years is giving way to the real truth, which is that Dash represents progress, optimism and decentralized technology. The team behind Dash is talented, driven and cohesively focused on one goal: Bringing to the world the true digital cash that Satoshi envisioned: the Internet Of Money.

Evan Duffield, who's name has been needlessly dragged through the mud for two years on these forums, is a professional, extremely hard-working, and honest man. I have seen times where people have sent him their wallet.dat with real funds in it so he could recover them, which he did and promptly sent the wallet back. I'm deeply proud to be associated with him, and to be part of the team creating this wonderful product.

Thanks for bearing with us as the truth slowly starts to set in. Two years is a long time.

I invite you to join us in Dash Nation.

Tao (Dash Nation Campaign Founder)

www.dash.org

www.rebelmouse.com/dashnation

https://DashTalk.org

www.dashndrink.com

Hmmmmm, so your narrative is that Evan didn't steal these people's funds because he can be trusted? Instead of the narrative that he didn't steal their funds because it's chump change in the grand scheme of the things?

Let's further analyze--a potential lifetime of taxation for every node he owns versus a one time heist that could cause further investigation into his actions and destroy his reputation once and for all?

What I think Tao has done better than anyone else in the dash community is correctly identify that the dash oligarchy (since it can't be verified or unverified trustlessly) must be fed with a continual line of peasants/greater-fools who implicitly trust in Evan's development and economic motivations rather than that the system itself was designed to prevent an oligarchy. Well played--except for the obvious misunderstanding that programmable money is supposed to work trustlessly .

I'm one of those greater fools you speak of... I only joined Dash Nation in June '14. Thanks for looking out for my interests, but I'll be OK.

[toknormal]

except for the obvious misunderstanding that programmable money is supposed to work trustlessly.

I think the misunderstanding might be yours for conflating the concepts of "promissory note", "articulated protocol" and "bearer token".

[generalizethis]

except for the obvious misunderstanding that programmable money is supposed to work trustlessly.

I think the misunderstanding might be yours for conflating the concepts of "promissory note", "articulated protocol" and "bearer token".

At the end of the day, Tok, it requires the greater-fool to pay a taxation for centralized services to pot holders who can reap the rewards forever and ever and ever and ever..... If I had gotten into this early and had no political qualms about oligarchies, then I'd be right there with you defending my infinite pile of potential profits until the bitter end--though I suspect, if I were so inclined, I'd also have realized that once people stop buying into the system, that it's only a matter of time before the oligarchs sell their share of the kingdom in a mad dash to the bottom. Happy trails.

[toknormal]

At the end of the day, Tok, it requires the greater-fool to pay a taxation

Well I am not an "oligarchical pot holder" as you call it. I bought mine on an exchange - and quite late in the day I might add.

All the same, I'm not paying taxation to anyone. My wallet balances go up not down. Anyone with any amount of holding can avail themselves of the same benefit.

Everyone's of course free to interprate different network policies and systems how they like - if you want to paint it as 'taxation for pot holders' be my guest. I interpret it as balancing the interests of all stakeholders - miners, holders, commercial users and maintainers. Without that balance you can mine all the tax free tokens you like if you're happy for them to end up worthless.

As for "centralisation", and "nodes" it's fairly academic.

One of = centralised
Many of = decentralised