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April 01, 2013, 09:33:29 PM
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I apologize in advance for not reading the last 10 pages of posts, but the pics I saw in the OP seem to be the same images as shown in this BFL video. Same bench, same laptop, etc. So did Luke-Jr take delivery of a unit or not?

I understand it might be possible he was given the unit to work on remotely or something. I hope this isn't just deception by BFL to avoid owning up to not shipping by March 31st.

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April 02, 2013, 12:58:54 AM
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I apologize in advance for not reading the last 10 pages of posts, but the pics I saw in the OP seem to be the same images as shown in this BFL video. Same bench, same laptop, etc. So did Luke-Jr take delivery of a unit or not?

I understand it might be possible he was given the unit to work on remotely or something. I hope this isn't just deception by BFL to avoid owning up to not shipping by March 31st.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4bgho5JSI

I was the first one to bring it up on page two: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=163261.msg1713429#msg1713429

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April 02, 2013, 01:06:33 AM
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I don't know what part of Australia Luke lives in,
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Peace, all.

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Stop saying that - Australia has no blame for his existence.
It's all your US fault Tongue
(He is US, not an Australian and not in Australia)

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April 02, 2013, 01:12:58 AM
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I apologize in advance for not reading the last 10 pages of posts, but the pics I saw in the OP seem to be the same images as shown in this BFL video. Same bench, same laptop, etc. So did Luke-Jr take delivery of a unit or not?

I understand it might be possible he was given the unit to work on remotely or something. I hope this isn't just deception by BFL to avoid owning up to not shipping by March 31st.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4bgho5JSI

I was the first one to bring it up on page two: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=163261.msg1713429#msg1713429

How do you know Josh isn't hanging out at Luke's house this week?.. Luke probably purchased multiple rigs through Josh a while back for hosting at the DC. If that's the case, then technically, it has shipped. I wouldn't want to be the arbitrator on any bets though.

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April 02, 2013, 01:25:43 AM
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if BFL does ship, avalon batch 3 ROI is gonna be game over.

why not throw up some simple math to back your point?

am i doing it right?

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I double checked, your math above is spot on Grin
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April 02, 2013, 01:29:25 AM
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I apologize in advance for not reading the last 10 pages of posts, but the pics I saw in the OP seem to be the same images as shown in this BFL video. Same bench, same laptop, etc. So did Luke-Jr take delivery of a unit or not?

I understand it might be possible he was given the unit to work on remotely or something. I hope this isn't just deception by BFL to avoid owning up to not shipping by March 31st.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4bgho5JSI

From what I read, the unit is still at BFL, hashing away, but belonging to Luke. I think the general consensus from most of the posts here is that, yes, this was a ploy to win the bet. Whether or not they won is a whole nother debate. Still sketchy...
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April 02, 2013, 01:37:21 AM
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I don't know what part of Australia Luke lives in,
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Peace, all.

~Bruno K~
Arrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhh
Stop saying that - Australia has no blame for his existence.
It's all your US fault Tongue
(He is US, not an Australian and not in Australia)

Sorry, Kano. My bad! If not in Oz, does anybody know what state? Not asking for an address or the like, just curious.

~Bruno K~

EDIT: Florida. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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April 02, 2013, 02:11:29 AM
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I don't know what part of Australia Luke lives in,
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Peace, all.

~Bruno K~
Arrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhh
Stop saying that - Australia has no blame for his existence.
It's all your US fault Tongue
(He is US, not an Australian and not in Australia)

Sorry, Kano. My bad! If not in Oz, does anybody know what state? Not asking for an address or the like, just curious.

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April 02, 2013, 02:13:47 AM
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April 02, 2013, 03:02:57 AM
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• Before April 1st 2013, at least one BFL customer with a bitcointalk.org forum account established prior to the bet's opening date shall post detailed and credible photos of the device on the forum, including photos of it operating, and report its hashrate. This customer cannot be a BFL employee.

Sure, the bet could have been worded more clearly, but the intent of the bet is clear. The photo was taken by BFL at a BFL facility, and thus doesn't qualify as a credible photo.

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April 02, 2013, 03:05:11 AM
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http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1444

BFL will Not ship any ASICS to customers by May 1st
Butterfly Labs will not ship any ASIC based mining devices to customers by May 1st 2013

according to this they are saying they will be shipping withing a couple of weeks.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160586.msg1697916#msg1697916

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Opening date: March 31, 2013
Bet deadline: April 29, 2013 end of day Eastern Time
Event date: May 1, 2013 end of day Eastern Time
Category: Technology
Total agree bets: 9.90
Total disagree bets: 0.59
Total weighted agree bets: 6911.803
Total weighted disagree bets: 403.618


This gives them 2 more months to get them to customers. As soon as I get the money Josh's mother owes me, I will add more to the bet.


peace and love BFL XOXOXOXOX Smiley
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April 02, 2013, 03:10:30 AM
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I prefer to the view point that the passive heatsink BFL used can not handle the heat power of 180W. Unless the technology they used is better than Intel.  Grin
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April 02, 2013, 03:12:00 AM
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Hello everyone,

As it is part of running a betting service, sometimes we have to make some decisions that will not please all of our users. This is certainly one of these cases. I agree that the bet description statements are barely satisfied but the bet is actually on "shipping" of a commercial product. To the best of our judgment the pictured device is still an internal development unit within the company premises, even if it is somehow "owned" by a non-employee. As far as I can see even BFL doesn't officially claim shipping. Under these circumstances we can not rule the statement as false. Our decision is currently not final and we will be listening your input for a few days before the final decision. Feel free to raise your opinion.

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April 02, 2013, 03:16:27 AM
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Nothing was moved, nothing was shipped. picking one board on the test bench, taking a picture of it, and saying "that one belongs to some other guy, we shipped!" is retarded.
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April 02, 2013, 03:18:01 AM
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Hello everyone,

As it is part of running a betting service, sometimes we have to make some decisions that will not please all of our users. This is certainly one of these cases. I agree that the bet description statements are barely satisfied but the bet is actually on "shipping" of a commercial product. To the best of our judgment the pictured device is still an internal development unit within the company premises, even if it is somehow "owned" by a non-employee. As far as I can see even BFL doesn't officially claim shipping. Under these circumstances we can not rule the statement as false. Our decision is currently not final and we will be listening your input for a few days before the final decision. Feel free to raise your opinion.
Please note that I have physically handled my unit, and BFL has it at their office now only at my own request that they keep it there for the time being.
As I understand it, BFL's "shipping" refers to their Batch 1 which has special shipping constraints. The plan to provide units to developers in advance, including the ones I paid for such as this Little Single, has been there all along, so it would be unreasonable IMO to exclude it from the bet.
I believe you should be able to verify that I have no stake in the bet (unless it's semi-anonymous or something); I have no objections if you wish to disclose that.

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April 02, 2013, 03:21:37 AM
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Please note that I have physically handled my unit, and BFL has it at their office now only at my own request that they keep it there for the time being.
As I understand it, BFL's "shipping" refers to their Batch 1 which has special shipping constraints. The plan to provide units to developers in advance, including the ones I paid for such as this Little Single, has been there all along, so it would be unreasonable IMO to exclude it from the bet.
I believe you should be able to verify that I have no stake in the bet (unless it's semi-anonymous or something); I have no objections if you wish to disclose that.

"Butterfly Labs will not ship ASIC-based Bitforce SC products before April 2013"

A prototype sitting on a bench at BFL does not qualify as "shipped", no matter how much you fondled it.

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April 02, 2013, 03:22:11 AM
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So Luke-Jr, would you say it would be fair for BFL to update their advertising with "now shipping"?
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April 02, 2013, 03:23:04 AM
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http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1444

BFL will Not ship any ASICS to customers by May 1st
Butterfly Labs will not ship any ASIC based mining devices to customers by May 1st 2013

according to this they are saying they will be shipping withing a couple of weeks.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160586.msg1697916#msg1697916

Info
Opening date: March 31, 2013
Bet deadline: April 29, 2013 end of day Eastern Time
Event date: May 1, 2013 end of day Eastern Time
Category: Technology
Total agree bets: 9.90
Total disagree bets: 0.59
Total weighted agree bets: 6911.803
Total weighted disagree bets: 403.618


This gives them 2 more months to get them to customers. As soon as I get the money Josh's mother owes me, I will add more to the bet.


peace and love BFL XOXOXOXOX Smiley

Tom, did someone hack your account again?Huh??   (what do you mean "add more" ?? shouldn't that be customer refunds??? ) Huh Huh

Reminds me of this one time at btctalk.org:

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http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4645/tom22janbasicrefundthre.png

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2263/tom22janavalonthread.png

oh there it is..


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April 02, 2013, 03:41:39 AM
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For this statement to be false, both of the two following conditions must be met:

• Before April 1st 2013, at least one BFL customer with a bitcointalk.org forum account established prior to the bet's opening date shall post detailed and credible photos of the device on the forum, including photos of it operating, and report its hashrate. This customer cannot be a BFL employee.

• The device must achieve at least 75% of its advertised hashrate.

It does sound like they met these requirements. Wow, what a slimy way to win a bet. Good thing I made my wagers on bitbet. Always read the fine print!!

For what it's worth, I agree that the bet is won, the screenshot was posted, and the date on the screenshot is 2013-03-31 so it was March, it was in Luke's possession, it was mining and it's a little single within 75% parameters of 30Gh (it was hashing at average of 23.52 which is 78%.  Luke-Jr received the rig by picking it up in person at the BFL premises (which BFL have stated is fine if arranged in advance) then leaving it there to be hosted.  Nowhere in the bet were any other rules stated.

I don't think this is a debate that will ever be concluded though because people will have diametrically opposed views based on their ideology, regardless of how betsofbitcoin resolve it, there will be a load of angry/unhappy people.

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Sorry, but it is not a finished product and isn't the retail (as in production ready) model.

It is a board screwed to a metal plate with incomplete software and is (bluntly put) a prototype. They do not win the bet. Not by a mile.


Where does it say anything about a finished or retail product? The bet says "the device".



Clearly whoever created the bet didn't word it very well. They left a lot of room for them to slither out. It's good theater though. Lets see how much time this new information buys BFL.  Cheesy

Exactly. I would never agree to any kind of agreement/contract this ambiguous.
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April 02, 2013, 03:56:23 AM
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Before April 1st 2013, at least one BFL customer with a bitcointalk.org forum account established prior to the bet's opening date shall post detailed and credible photos of the device on the forum, including photos of it operating, and report its hashrate. This customer cannot be a BFL employee.

Show me the post where Luke reported its hashrate.

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