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April 02, 2013, 07:18:28 AM
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I do not think the words product or a device could be used to describe this thing.

Does the thingy in the picture have all the parts that belong to the product or the device assembled to a formation in which those parts are in a real product or a real device? No. Therefore no product and not a device.

I also agree it has not been shipped.
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April 02, 2013, 08:04:03 AM
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So FPGA's are not that bad after all (If you only look on electricity consumption):

W/GH
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On purchase price they are aweful though:

$/GH
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But if you look how many BTC they will give, I think buying FPGA's around christmas 2011 kicks all ASIC's in the butt!

Edit: Just need a timemachine and someone that gives a crap! Wink

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April 02, 2013, 08:46:13 AM
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Please note that I have physically handled my unit, and BFL has it at their office now only at my own request that they keep it there for the time being.

Ok. This is what you earlier sad:

For this bet to be won tho, there needs to be a shipping label and/or tracking number.
There is, but I'd prefer not to give the trolls my personal info.
Then where are the posted photos taken by yourself at your delivery location? Re-posting photos of devices at the factory doesn't count.
Why not? I'll update my forum avatar at some point, but don't feel like cleaning up my desk right now.

You sad that they shipped it to you and now you are saying that they didn't.
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April 02, 2013, 08:54:34 AM
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and today is APRIL 1
+1 This. The most unfortunate coincidence ever or trolling gone pro ?

He'd have to have thought to fake the date on his monitor which reads March 31.

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April 02, 2013, 09:58:42 AM
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BFL doesn't have a working device.

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April 02, 2013, 10:03:55 AM
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BFL doesn't have a working device.

The neon sign in the entrance works.
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April 02, 2013, 12:03:56 PM
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BFL doesn't have a working device.

The neon sign in the entrance works.
+1 haha

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April 02, 2013, 12:11:55 PM
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BFL doesn't have a working device.

The neon sign in the entrance works.
+1 haha

hahaha, true, my bad... The Laptop seems like it's working as well as the unimer... Smiley

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April 02, 2013, 12:41:22 PM
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sorry a prototype is NOT shipped.

If I produce 10 boards with crap hanging off them and screws holding them to a table , then supply them to developers  that does not count as shipping.

If it were, then Tom could also claim he had "shipped" ,since he also had a prototype that  Dave saw.


The only thing Dave saw was Tom's tiny dick.

You still believe craps Dave told everyone here?
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April 02, 2013, 12:42:46 PM
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So FPGA's are not that bad after all (If you only look on electricity consumption):

W/GH
zTEX40
Avalon9
BFL7

On purchase price they are aweful though:

$/GH
zTEX1450
Avalon110
BFL22

But if you look how many BTC they will give, I think buying FPGA's around christmas 2011 kicks all ASIC's in the butt!

Edit: Just need a timemachine and someone that gives a crap! Wink


You just know it is a sad state of affairs for the gene pool .... when an individual wants a time machine to go buy FPGA's... when in reality he should be buying bit-coins.

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April 02, 2013, 01:34:29 PM
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sorry a prototype is NOT shipped.

If I produce 10 boards with crap hanging off them and screws holding them to a table , then supply them to developers  that does not count as shipping.

If it were, then Tom could also claim he had "shipped" ,since he also had a prototype that  Dave saw.


The only thing Dave saw was Tom's tiny dick.

You still believe craps Dave told everyone here?


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April 02, 2013, 01:43:52 PM
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Isn't one of the issues that the terms of this specific bet doesn't say anything about shipping or shipped??

The actual title makes it pretty clear:

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April 02, 2013, 01:45:50 PM
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Who remembers Matthew's 10k BTC bet?
Well, by the "wording" of his bet one can argue that he did nothing wrong, and his scammer tag is not justified.

BUT nobody understood the wording the way he did, so he got his scammer tag.

What can be seen in the OP is NOT a finished product, nothing that will be shipped to customers.
When Avalon shipped the first two devices, those were the FINISHED products. The same products which were later received by "ordinary" customers.


This "shipping" by BFL is NOT comparable to what was shipped by Avalon.

If the official bet outcome is that BFL *has* shipped, they could as well soldered some of their FPGAs to a board and call it SC Single. Because, well, power consumption and the fact it's not the product that will be shipped to all customers does not matter?!


People saying BFL has shipped should as well request to remove Matthew's  scammer tag then.
(Because both maybe matched the wording but not the intention of the bet.)

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Before April 1st 2013, at least one BFL customer with a bitcointalk.org forum account established prior to the bet's opening date shall post detailed and credible photos of the device on the forum, including photos of it operating, and report its hashrate. This customer cannot be a BFL employee.

Show me the post where Luke reported its hashrate.

It's visible in the picture.

Is an image a report? I thought a report is something like, "The unit is hashing at..."

Of all the pigfucky things in Luke's OP, that's what you want to quibble over?

I have some respect for Luke and, honestly, that's the best I could do at the time with the knowledge I had on hand. I felt it was the strongest argument I could pull from the post to further my stance.

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April 02, 2013, 02:25:24 PM
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Isn't one of the issues that the terms of this specific bet doesn't say anything about shipping or shipped??

The actual title makes it pretty clear:

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Butterfly Labs will not ship ASIC-based Bitforce SC products before April 2013


A title doesn't govern a contract, the content does. I could change my contract titles to "Two Monkeys Butt-fucking" and it wouldn't change the fact that I wrote a Notes contract binding me to my investors.

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April 02, 2013, 03:40:15 PM
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Isn't one of the issues that the terms of this specific bet doesn't say anything about shipping or shipped??

The actual title makes it pretty clear:

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Butterfly Labs will not ship ASIC-based Bitforce SC products before April 2013


A title doesn't govern a contract, the content does. I could change my contract titles to "Two Monkeys Butt-fucking" and it wouldn't change the fact that I wrote a Notes contract binding me to my investors.

Korbman - Correct.  If you read my comments back a couple pages, there is no way to really interpret the facts to fit the content.  BFL did not ship before April 1st, 2013.  With that said, the progress is looking good and I am happy for their very very very patient customers.

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A title doesn't govern a contract, the content does. I could change my contract titles to "Two Monkeys Butt-fucking" and it wouldn't change the fact that I wrote a Notes contract binding me to my investors.

Korbman - Correct.  If you read my comments back a couple pages, there is no way to really interpret the facts to fit the content.  BFL did not ship before April 1st, 2013.  With that said, the progress is looking good and I am happy for their very very very patient customers.

Ah, skimmed over the majority of pages since I hadn't read it in over 24 hours. Are you referring to Page 8?

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Who remembers Matthew's 10k BTC bet?
Well, by the "wording" of his bet one can argue that he did nothing wrong, and his scammer tag is not justified.
I agree with your conclusion that they should not be allowed to weasel out of the bet, just like MNW wasn't. But let's not go overboard. MNW's bet was not worded ahead of time to let him out of it, he looked like an utter fool for trying to argue that he had "left himself an out."
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April 02, 2013, 04:45:37 PM
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Hello everyone,

As it is part of running a betting service, sometimes we have to make some decisions that will not please all of our users. This is certainly one of these cases. I agree that the bet description statements are barely satisfied but the bet is actually on "shipping" of a commercial product. To the best of our judgment the pictured device is still an internal development unit within the company premises, even if it is somehow "owned" by a non-employee. As far as I can see even BFL doesn't officially claim shipping. Under these circumstances we can not rule the statement as false. Our decision is currently not final and we will be listening your input for a few days before the final decision. Feel free to raise your opinion.


On the one hand, it's nice to see that you will take your time and consider all arguments before making a decision.  On the other hand, this is such an open and shut case that it's a little disconcerting to see that you haven't made a final decision yet.  Only a real wannabe thief and welsher would be upset about losing this bet if they had backed BFL.  Besides, as you said, its part of your job to make decisions regardless of who will be upset about it.  The decision is supposed to be based on facts, reason and logic.

Have you actually received any correspondence from BFL backers claiming to have won the bet?  That would be sad and pathetic.

I guess you have two options.

1.  pay the obvious winners

2.  pay the losers or cancel the bet, thus destroying the credibility your business relies upon

What a dilemma.

(no, I don't have any stake in the outcome of this bet.  it does bother me to see people try and weasel out of debts though.)
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April 02, 2013, 04:47:05 PM
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A title doesn't govern a contract, the content does. I could change my contract titles to "Two Monkeys Butt-fucking" and it wouldn't change the fact that I wrote a Notes contract binding me to my investors.

Korbman - Correct.  If you read my comments back a couple pages, there is no way to really interpret the facts to fit the content.  BFL did not ship before April 1st, 2013.  With that said, the progress is looking good and I am happy for their very very very patient customers.

Ah, skimmed over the majority of pages since I hadn't read it in over 24 hours. Are you referring to Page 8?

Yes and I believe one more later comment.

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