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[BitBanksy]

FUCK YOU, you do know that ARK is having their TEC right now?  SURPRISE SURPRISE Fucking Lisk CEO tells the second major exchange to "Stop processing withdrawals".  You don't think they sent the same message to Poloniex?

Sounds fishy as fuck to me since this is the first time I heard about it.


OH BTW MAX, thanks for letting us know 10 days fucking later!

@cannabanana! remove me from your signature campaign please. No way I will endorse such behaviour. Your insolent attitude is so disrespectful and seriously tarnishing the project you try to represent.

Ok sorry to hear you leave dude, If you don't think you'd be angry in that situation then so be it.  It's not a lie, he tweeted that he did it so it's fact.  Disrespect is what he did to us when he suggested that Bittrex hold off on withdrawals. 

You can think of me anyway you want but who knows how screwed over we have been because of the decisions Max has made.

Do you seriously think Max has purposely done that so as to screw your campaign? Lisk is an established project with 14,009 BTC, 80 million XCR exchanged and a strict road map to follow in oder to fufill it's commitment toward the investors. Although a bad coincidence for your campaign, you guys should have a plan B and focus on marketing if you want to reach your goals.

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[cannabanana]

FUCK YOU, you do know that ARK is having their TEC right now?  SURPRISE SURPRISE Fucking Lisk CEO tells the second major exchange to "Stop processing withdrawals".  You don't think they sent the same message to Poloniex?

Sounds fishy as fuck to me since this is the first time I heard about it.


OH BTW MAX, thanks for letting us know 10 days fucking later!

@cannabanana! remove me from your signature campaign please. No way I will endorse such behaviour. Your insolent attitude is so disrespectful and seriously tarnishing the project you try to represent.

Ok sorry to hear you leave dude, If you don't think you'd be angry in that situation then so be it.  It's not a lie, he tweeted that he did it so it's fact.  Disrespect is what he did to us when he suggested that Bittrex hold off on withdrawals.  

You can think of me anyway you want but who knows how screwed over we have been because of the decisions Max has made.

Do you seriously think Max has purposely done that so to screw your campaign? Lisk is an established project with 14,009 BTC, 80 million XCR exchanged and a strict road map to follow in oder to fufill it's commitments toward the investors. Although a bad coincidence for your campaign, you guys should have a plan B and focus on marketing if you want to reach your goals.

Dude, I don't know.  He hasn't even said anything to support us BUT the coin he destroyed Crypti, all the founders came out and congratulated Max and wished him good luck even though Max knew Crypti was thinking about doing another ICO.  He has been cordial to everyone except for us.

We reached out to Max like 3 times already and he Ignored us every time.

I don't know what they would do but the stuff they have been doing is too much coincidence.  He announced Forging the SAME day as the day our TEC launched.

I don't know what else he would do and he has yet to give US a straight answer so all I have is my gut instinct.

I know, most likely it's something else but why else would he do it?



STRICT ROADMAP???  They made the roadmap like two months ago and still don't have a whitepaper!

[BitBanksy]

I don't know what they would do but the stuff they have been doing is too much coincidence.  He announced Forging the SAME day as the day our TEC launched.

Everyone at Lisk are actively preparing mainnet for the last 4 months at least.... well before the birth of ARK, and anyway a good communicator like you should not unleash such bad language... Sadly this incident tarnish not only your reputation but the entire project/team you're representing.

[cannabanana]

I don't know what they would do but the stuff they have been doing is too much coincidence.  He announced Forging the SAME day as the day our TEC launched.

Everyone at Lisk are actively preparing mainnet for the last 4 months at least.... well before the birth of ARK, and anyway a good communicator like you should not unleash such bad language... Sadly this incident tarnish not only your reputation but the entire project/team you're representing.

I represent real life, no more BS from guys who wana just take your money and sit on it for years. 

Mainnet was supposed to be ready in April, it is now at the end of November............

Sometimes it seems there's not enough Good hearted guys that will tell the shit straight as an arrow.  You might not like the words that come out of my mouth but they are never unwarranted.

[clykcoin]

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Another bought account for ico scam?? Prove you are legit dec, no identity = no money.

Guys remember declouds, opair, orable, zion scams and so forth, they are all bought account scams.  


EDIT: Sorry I misjudged the project. I confirm this project it is legit, I was too sensitive about those scamswith bought accounts before.

The reservations that I have, from even seeing past Anns for this coin is that the OP comes with like a posse, crew, hommies, whatever, all pumping a brand new coin that nobody has ever heard off as if it's the most revolutionary thing ever. Not saying that it's a scam, but they do seem to be making a coordinated effort to pump up this coin. So I would expect for this ANN to have lots, and lots of pages and activity, but mostly due to the posse hyping it.

Well just because you have a lot of enthusiastic people does not make you a scam.  you talk shit but you also have no idea who we are and are just making assumptions but that does not make it true.  It's very brave of you to make a prediction that obviously will happen.  Have lots of people talking?  You get pages of activity. Duh.

Nobody is pumping now, just meeting back with old friends on new projects.  if we really do something bad, by all means call us out on it but don't just assume that we are this or that because you assume you have seen it all.  

We know how often promises get broken, we're not noobs here.  We are doing this BECAUSE those promises keep getting broken and not because we want to do more of the breaking.

How was I talking shit? I just expressed my reservations about the flow of these threads.

your comment is on the line of someone saying, I'm not a racist, but then goes on to say something racist.  I'm not calling it a scam but it's a scam.... how's that any different?

No, my comment reads, "I don't know if it's a scam because there's no way for me to really know and it might not, but these are the reservations I have." It's being fair by mentioning my reservations, but also warning that that it's just weighing in the possibilities. If you want to see something harsher, go into virtually all other ICO which start out with some people dissecting every detail, and writing scam, scam, scam. It's part of the process, and I haven't seen that in this thread. And it's healthy when you do see it.

I'm not new here.  I know how it goes, but you don't see that there is absolutely ZERO need to come in and even make that statement unless you have PROOF.  Why just make a general statement about scams if you don't even know.  Look through my history, I've seen it all and said it all and If I were in your shoes, I would not just come into any thread and even say the word scam unless I had more proof.  

After Monitoring this forum for a long time i noticed two troublesome kind of people you will meet when running an ICO

***The First one is the person that call a project a scam
(he or she may not have money to invest into an ICO but will discourage others to make sure that the project fall)

***The Second in the people who follow-up (I call them the ICO Scam assumption evangelist & paint the forum red community)
(The just start painting scam all over the ANN when the know nothing BECAUSE THE SAW SOMEONE CALLING A PROJECT SCAM SO THE FOLLOW UP)

My Bro I will tell you to stop wasting your time with people like this that just come into a project and call it scam when the don't have a proof (Just focus on the project. your idea is very great and the is something i still want to tell you, In order to succeed, we must first believe that we can.and i have seen that in you and don't forget - Good, better, best. Never let it rest. 'Til your good is better and your better is best.
Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

[szafa]

Why so long time to start mainnet?

[cannabanana]

Why so long time to start mainnet?

it's just an estimation.  We are attempting to launch much sooner than that schedule.  We would rather give ourselves a bit of time at the beginning where everything is the most important.  If we have the possibility to launch earlier we will make every attempt to do so.

[Vega]

Do you seriously think Max has purposely done that so as to screw your campaign? Lisk is an established project with 14,009 BTC, 80 million XCR exchanged and a strict road map to follow in oder to fufill it's commitment toward the investors. Although a bad coincidence for your campaign, you guys should have a plan B and focus on marketing if you want to reach your goals.

look, I'm not going to go into details because our aim is still peaceful cooperation, (at this point I think most of us would settle for a cordial relationship) but based on more information than it is available for the greater community there is little doubt that there has been some deliberate obstacles thrown in our way.

Please don't forget that there is a lot of people in here who worked with Max for years and others who know of him for that long. From Lisk from Crpyti, from Nxt. We know how to read between the lines, there is a clear pattern of behavior, not to mention we got outside confirmations too.

For the record I don't think this exchange debacle is one of those actions, it's more like a "happy" coincidence.

It is not an accident that you don't see ARK team members make any sort of comments in lisk thread and chat that is anything else than factual and as far away from the topic of Ark there as possible. Well, except for cannabannana, but what can you do. You should read back the shit he posted back in the day in the lisk thread when we has an avid supporter. I had him on ignore.

But if you read his comments and make up your mind on that, because you don't like the guy who shouts, because the one who is selectively silent is more believable, that is not good critical thinking.

Eh, enough of this. As long as there is no deliberate sabotage and smear campaign agains ARK we are minding our own business, this whole fight is a waste of time and energy.

[vlom]

Lisk is probably pretty close to its bottom, given that they have barely touched their funding. On top of that, they have benefited a lot from the BTC price increases. I still don't see more than a possible near term 25% downside in Lisk price and a strong possibility of a 10-40X upside over the next couple of years. Their biggest challenge after they have access to their funds will be finding blockchain qualified developers to accelerate their progress. Our challenge in Ark at this point will be to have enough BTC on hand to not have to touch the Lisk for a long time, if ever. Our monthly budget is $40,000 USD per month after TEC, so this is roughly equal to the forging earnings of the team member Lisk delegates if needed, though we would rather spend BTC for as long as possible before using even lisk from delegate earnings.

thanks for you honesty. it is really like that. ark collects lisk to be able in the top100-delegate-list. so please tell us the names of your lisk delegates. thank you.

[cannabanana]

Lisk is probably pretty close to its bottom, given that they have barely touched their funding. On top of that, they have benefited a lot from the BTC price increases. I still don't see more than a possible near term 25% downside in Lisk price and a strong possibility of a 10-40X upside over the next couple of years. Their biggest challenge after they have access to their funds will be finding blockchain qualified developers to accelerate their progress. Our challenge in Ark at this point will be to have enough BTC on hand to not have to touch the Lisk for a long time, if ever. Our monthly budget is $40,000 USD per month after TEC, so this is roughly equal to the forging earnings of the team member Lisk delegates if needed, though we would rather spend BTC for as long as possible before using even lisk from delegate earnings.

thanks for you honesty. it is really like that. ark collects lisk to be able in the top100-delegate-list. so please tell us the names of your lisk delegates. thank you.

why not go do the research yourself.  All the information is out there.  It seems like to me from your past comments you just want to stir more crap here. 

If you want a list of our delegates, you might want to offer up a reason for wanting it.   Otherwise there's no obligation for us to do anything for you since all you do is talk crap about us since the beginning.

[cannabanana]

When the threshold exceeds 80% I'll have a little hope for this. Because it was 1000 participants on 75% but now %79 with 1500 people. Yes you're saying there is time there is time but with the time, bonuses are decrease and so the people.

but also the price of lisk is much down since the start of our TEC.  Even though the 80% seems like it's not moving, it's staying stable from the price swings of lisk and is going up now.  We actually gained over a million lisk and almost 100 bitcoin in that time.  And all of it is because Bitcoin is moving up and we have not raised enough of that to balance it out yet.

[shinratensei_]

When the threshold exceeds 80% I'll have a little hope for this. Because it was 1000 participants on 75% but now %79 with 1500 people. Yes you're saying there is time there is time but with the time, bonuses are decrease and so the people.

but also the price of lisk is much down since the start of our TEC.  Even though the 80% seems like it's not moving, it's staying stable from the price swings of lisk and is going up now.  We actually gained over a million lisk and almost 100 bitcoin in that time.  And all of it is because Bitcoin is moving up and we have not raised enough of that to balance it out yet.

Hemmm.... but what happened if the price of lisk was getting stagnant without any pump.
It seems like it hasn't got a lot of volatility.
But the green waves was coming and hoping this will give some chance for this ico.
I kinda feel a little doubt with this.

[cannabanana]

When the threshold exceeds 80% I'll have a little hope for this. Because it was 1000 participants on 75% but now %79 with 1500 people. Yes you're saying there is time there is time but with the time, bonuses are decrease and so the people.

but also the price of lisk is much down since the start of our TEC.  Even though the 80% seems like it's not moving, it's staying stable from the price swings of lisk and is going up now.  We actually gained over a million lisk and almost 100 bitcoin in that time.  And all of it is because Bitcoin is moving up and we have not raised enough of that to balance it out yet.

Hemmm.... but what happened if the price of lisk was getting stagnant without any pump.
It seems like it hasn't got a lot of volatility.
But the green waves was coming and hoping this will give some chance for this ico.
I kinda feel a little doubt with this.

when the volatility is low, that's the time you should be looking.  

The times when nobody else is looking.

No matter how I feel about them personally, they still get most of their finances to hire developers as soon as forging starts.

Which also means more money for promotions and advertisements.  So lisk will have funds to start really starting in a week or so.

[Mihawk]

With 80% can't start the project? Inchain is below 15%!
What if change the BTC bonus? Reduce LSK bonus and increase BTC?! Or is it not possible

[cannabanana]

With 80% can not start the project? Inchain is below 15%!
What if change the BTC bonus? Reduce LSK bonus and increase BTC ?! Or is it not possible

It's also not fair to change the rules the method you are suggesting.

Trust me friend, we want to launch as badly as you want us to launch.

We have some really good news that should help pick  up some more people soon. 

[Vega]

With 80% can not start the project? Inchain is below 15%!
What if change the BTC bonus? Reduce LSK bonus and increase BTC ?! Or is it not possible

Changing the terms of TEC in such a way is bad business. We offered refund if certain conditions are not met (in this case 2000BTC minimum) changing that one sided is a breach of trust.
If both side agrees that is another matter, but with 1500 participants that is not that easy to arrange.

But no matter, there is always a solution, other funding method, other forms of crowsfunding. ARK is not going anywhere, and there are several possible avenues to take.

Also, this TEC is still far from over, in ICOs most funds come in in the first and the last 48 hours. The Lisk community forging start next week could also shake things up in several different ways.

[szafa]

Big time left to invest in arc.

[cannabanana]

Big time left to invest in arc.

yup, we have time to get some things done.  But we will be there I'm sure quicker than it seems like it will be.

[Mihawk]

It's also not fair to change the rules the method you are suggesting.

Trust me friend, we want to launch as badly as you want us to launch.

We have some really good news that should help pick  up some more people soon.  

Sorry I'm amateur  
I'm an ARK supporter! But I'm already comforted by your last words, I'll continue to spread the word.

[Mihawk]

Changing the terms of TEC in such a way is bad business. We offered refund if certain conditions are not met (in this case 2000BTC minimum) changing that one sided is a breach of trust.
If both side agrees that is another matter, but with 1500 participants that is not that easy to arrange.

But no matter, there is always a solution, other funding method, other forms of crowsfunding. ARK is not going anywhere, and there are several possible avenues to take.

Also, this TEC is still far from over, in ICOs most funds come in in the first and the last 48 hours. The Lisk community forging start next week could also shake things up in several different ways.

Of course! Several ICO suffer in the beginning and we have about 18 days! I'll be waiting!!