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Author Topic: [ANN] Zclassic, Zcash Fork No Premine, No 20% Founders Tax  (Read 339312 times)
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January 11, 2018, 09:00:49 PM
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I've finished my tests and this Elios wallet is working correctly on my 2 comps win7 64bit Transferred my wallet.dat to my second comp and installed a fresh copy of wallet. Then waited until it was synched, made another transfer of ZCL and it appeared in it. So I am sure it could be reinstalled in case of transfer to another win7 64bit system.
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January 11, 2018, 09:32:05 PM
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bittrex support for the fork zclassic?

As it is a bitcoin fork and as it is a more legal fork by a more trusted person then we can believe that yes bittrex will support this fork because bittrex has already supported the other forks like bitcoin cash and bitcoin gold. But still we have to wait for the news from that exchange as if they will not announce then we have to keep our coins in the wallet which support the fork and if it support the fork then we will get our coins immediately.
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January 11, 2018, 10:19:47 PM
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Is there any wallet for the dummies  Grin

I have 3 zcl here http://explorer.zclmine.pro/address/t1eHGJV6tBs4Qq7PLCxsjxoPcmU6ZaTPHBs

What can I do if it's become btcp? How can I withdrew to the exchange?  Roll Eyes
Where did you get this address?


https://zclassicpaperwallet.com/

...but how can I withdraw from there?

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January 11, 2018, 10:21:24 PM
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we will get our coins immediately.
If Bittrex will not put the wallet offline that time.
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January 11, 2018, 10:25:16 PM
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Is there any wallet for the dummies  Grin

I have 3 zcl here http://explorer.zclmine.pro/address/t1eHGJV6tBs4Qq7PLCxsjxoPcmU6ZaTPHBs

What can I do if it's become btcp? How can I withdrew to the exchange?  Roll Eyes
Where did you get this address?


https://zclassicpaperwallet.com/

...but how can I withdraw from there?


But why hadn't you found out first about it before you send zcl to such a strange wallet?
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January 11, 2018, 10:38:48 PM
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Is there any wallet for the dummies  Grin

I have 3 zcl here http://explorer.zclmine.pro/address/t1eHGJV6tBs4Qq7PLCxsjxoPcmU6ZaTPHBs

What can I do if it's become btcp? How can I withdrew to the exchange?  Roll Eyes
Where did you get this address?


https://zclassicpaperwallet.com/

...but how can I withdraw from there?


But why hadn't you found out first about it before you send zcl to such a strange wallet?

Hmmm, that's a good question. It's from the zclassic.org . I think more people done the same thing, http://explorer.zclmine.pro/blocks

See also https://twitter.com/ZclassicCoin/status/949829962529460224

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January 11, 2018, 11:56:14 PM
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bittrex support for the fork zclassic?



Looks like Bittrex refused to support the fork for now. But this might change after the fork day announcement
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January 12, 2018, 02:52:57 AM
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Hello, I have a trouble with my zclassic wallet adress. It seems that someone has the same adress as mine. I didnt recieve the last payment from pool to my adress and checked the block explorer. I saw that last transaction was the transfer of 1.26457671 ZCL from my adress but I even dont have such balance of ZCL. I should have recieve  0.10271895 zcl as payment from pool but no such transaction in explorer. Im using this adress for about 7 months and there were no problems with it. And how can it be that 2 wallets have the same adress??!!! Please, help me with this problem and you have to resolve it because it may become the big problem for all ZCL network. Here is the link to my adress block explorerhttps://zcl-explorer.com/insight/address/t1JKs6CMZBwcw7U6B1pNXEPjHDZrjpmkxdq The last transaction is not mine!!![url]
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January 12, 2018, 03:34:06 AM
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https://zclassicpaperwallet.com/

...but how can I withdraw from there?


Get the desktop wallet and import the private key
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January 12, 2018, 04:26:00 AM
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https://zclassicpaperwallet.com/

...but how can I withdraw from there?


Get the desktop wallet and import the private key
You mean the old one, swing wallet? Cause Elion doesn't have such option, only previously backed up wallet.dat may be put to specific path. I'll ckeck by myself
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January 12, 2018, 05:11:17 AM
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Price Targets for $ZCl at different stages:
1) $BTCP Fork Date Announcement: $300
2) @BittrexExchange, @binance_2017, @TREZOR and @LedgerHQ support the fork: $500
3) The day of the fork: $1000-$2000
$btc $eth $#bitcoinprivate #Binance #crypto  #cryptocurrency  #altsareback
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January 12, 2018, 08:55:38 AM
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bittrex support for the fork zclassic?





Looks like Bittrex refused to support the fork for now. But this might change after the fork day announcement

that is? wich day? lol
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January 12, 2018, 10:14:26 AM
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https://zclassicpaperwallet.com/

...but how can I withdraw from there?


Get the desktop wallet and import the private key
You mean the old one, swing wallet? Cause Elion doesn't have such option, only previously backed up wallet.dat may be put to specific path. I'll ckeck by myself

That's why I like the Swing wallet. It has better interface than Eleos and you can easily export the private keys.
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January 12, 2018, 02:29:09 PM
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bittrex support for the fork zclassic?



Looks like Bittrex refused to support the fork for now. But this might change after the fork day announcement

Link to this info please?

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January 12, 2018, 02:31:22 PM
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Dear Zclassic community,

I am not a miner and don't understand the technicalities of it.
I've supported your coin since the early days when it was less than $2.
Whilst this coin has done amazing in recent weeks (and I'm happy for all involved), I find your increased coin circulation far too aggressive!!! It has literally doubled in a very short space of time.
It just doesn't make it worthwhile holding them anymore, due to the huge inflation!!!

Your White paper does not say much, except that there will be 21M coins in total, which worries me even more.
I'm sure other investors and early adopters will feel the same way as I do.
What measures do you have in place to prevent this massive inflation getting worse?!


Thank you




Zclassic is a fork of Zcash 1.0.1 with minimal changes except for 2 major things.

1. 20% Founders Reward is removed.
2. Slow start is removed (blocks start at 12.5 ZCL rewards per block).

Parameters:

PoW: Equihash
Halving rate: Every 4 years (same as Zcash and bitcoin).
Starting Block Reward: 12.5 coins every 2.5 minutes (Same as Zcash.  50 coins per 10 minutes, like Bitcoin).
Total eventual supply: 21,000,000 (21 million), as per Bitcoin (Unchanged from Zcash)
Difficulty adjustment algorithm: Digishield V3 (Unchanged from Zcash)
Difficulty adjusts each block (Unchanged from Zcash)
Symbol: ZCL (pronounced "ZICKLE" like "NICKEL")

Trusted Parameters
Zcash (and Zclassic) relies on trust that a private key was destroyed.  If anyone poseses the private key, that person can mint unlimited coins for himself/herself.  Zcash designed a ceremony where 6 individuals each created a shard of a private key and destroyed it.  As long as all 6 individuals did not conspire and collude to share their shards, the private key is destroyed.  Here are mre details about the ceremony.
https://z.cash/blog/the-design-of-the-ceremony.html

Zclassic uses the exact same trusted parameters Zcash uses.  This is also what Peter Todd suggests:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ZClassic/comments/5bbpmr/we_should_invite_petertodd_to_our_trusted_setup/

Block explorer:
https://classic.zcha.in/
https://zclassic.31337.eu/insight/
https://cronicc.github.io/

Website:
http://zclassic.org

CoinMarketcap
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/zclassic/

WhatToMine
http://www.whattomine.com/coins/167-zcl-equihash

Source Code:
https://github.com/z-classic/zclassic

Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ZClassic/

Slack Invite (over 300 members):
http://zclassic.herokuapp.com/

Freenode IRC:
#zclassiccoin

Pools:
https://pool.mn/zclassic
https://www2.coinmine.pl/zcl
https://pool.cryptobanx.io/zcl/
https://zcl.suprnova.cc/
https://zclassic.miningpoolhub.com/

Exchanges:
https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Exchange/?market=ZCL_BTC
https://c-cex.com/?p=zcl-btc
https://www.tradesatoshi.com/Exchange?market=ZCL_BTC
https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-ZCL

Twitter Social Proof:
https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/796058283312189440
https://twitter.com/zooko/status/795002870651322370

Medium:
https://decentralize.today/zcash-miners-stop-paying-20-genius-tax-486d9f40884f
https://decentralize.today/five-reasons-zcash-is-the-most-corporate-cryptocoin-youve-ever-seen-a77ac430b0e8

Announcements
[Pre Ann] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1671125.msg16781376#msg16781376
https://twitter.com/HeyRhett/status/794773732933799936
https://twitter.com/HeyRhett/status/794799248759885825

Todo:
Windows Wallet
IOS / Android Wallet

Note from developer:
I started this work on my own, writing Medium articles and reaching out to people on Twitter because I believe the ZK-SNARK technology in Zcash is the future of money, but I couldn't stomach the idea of it being taxed 20% by a small group of people.

To be honest, I never made an altcoin before.  I spent a week on my own obsessing over the Zcash code to see what could be done.  Soon after the Zcash launch, I submitted a pull-request to remove the Founder's Reward, which was quickly closed:
https://github.com/zcash/zcash/pull/1714

When I found out SuprnovaPools had 51%+ mining power of Zcash, I reached out to them to use my fork:
https://twitter.com/HeyRhett/status/792787816329515009

After failing at those two approaches, on Halloween, I announced, "I'm forking Zcash with no 20% Founders Reward.  Ping me to help.  There won't be any reward for helping."
https://twitter.com/HeyRhett/status/793201219393105921

I offer my sincere apology to the community for people who feel they may have missed the announcement because there wasn't enough advance notice.  I was reaching out to people, but I did not have the large exposure of a foundation with investors.

Now that the coin is live, most of what you see above is work done by the community.  This coin is almost 4 days old, and I'm amazed at what we've done so far.

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January 12, 2018, 04:32:07 PM
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Hello, I have a trouble with my zclassic wallet adress. It seems that someone has the same adress as mine. I didnt recieve the last payment from pool to my adress and checked the block explorer. I saw that last transaction was the transfer of 1.26457671 ZCL from my adress but I even dont have such balance of ZCL. I should have recieve  0.10271895 zcl as payment from pool but no such transaction in explorer. Im using this adress for about 7 months and there were no problems with it. And how can it be that 2 wallets have the same adress??!!! Please, help me with this problem and you have to resolve it because it may become the big problem for all ZCL network. Here is the link to my adress block explorerhttps://zcl-explorer.com/insight/address/t1JKs6CMZBwcw7U6B1pNXEPjHDZrjpmkxdq The last transaction is not mine!!![url]

How can I contact with someone from Zclassic team? Its strange that you guys dont care about this problem!!! Do you understand that TWO DIFFERENT ZCLASSIC USERS HAVE GOT THE SAME WALLET ADRESS!!!!!
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January 12, 2018, 05:30:07 PM
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Is there any wallet for the dummies  Grin

I have 3 zcl here http://explorer.zclmine.pro/address/t1eHGJV6tBs4Qq7PLCxsjxoPcmU6ZaTPHBs

What can I do if it's become btcp? How can I withdrew to the exchange?  Roll Eyes
Where did you get this address?


https://zclassicpaperwallet.com/

...but how can I withdraw from there?


But why hadn't you found out first about it before you send zcl to such a strange wallet?

Hmmm, that's a good question. It's from the zclassic.org . I think more people done the same thing, http://explorer.zclmine.pro/blocks

See also https://twitter.com/ZclassicCoin/status/949829962529460224

 Roll Eyes

As far as you have your private key, you will be able to claim your BTCP. 
However in order to "spend" those coins (ZCL as well as BTCP), you need to use an actual wallet (not paper wallet) like Swing or Eleos. I personally prefer Swing wallet for ZCL.
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January 12, 2018, 05:33:56 PM
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Dear Zclassic community,

I am not a miner and don't understand the technicalities of it.
I've supported your coin since the early days when it was less than $2.
Whilst this coin has done amazing in recent weeks (and I'm happy for all involved), I find your increased coin circulation far too aggressive!!! It has literally doubled in a very short space of time.
It just doesn't make it worthwhile holding them anymore, due to the huge inflation!!!

Your White paper does not say much, except that there will be 21M coins in total, which worries me even more.
I'm sure other investors and early adopters will feel the same way as I do.
What measures do you have in place to prevent this massive inflation getting worse?!


Thank you
Hi, i am mining ZCL since 2 weeks now. I think a lot of people are mining ZCL now because the current profitability is very high. The mining difficulty is very high compare to a month before. Before, i could mine 1 ZCL everyday, now only 0.01. The mining difficulty compensate the inflation.
I don't think there is a massive inflation of the coin. There are only 3 million coins now. We are still not at 21 million coins. And there is surely new adapters of ZCL now to compensate it. And look at Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash, they have a lot more coins. Ethereum has so much coins in circulation too and it is so expensive now. But people still think that thoses coins are cheap.
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January 12, 2018, 05:34:22 PM
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Hello, I have a trouble with my zclassic wallet adress. It seems that someone has the same adress as mine. I didnt recieve the last payment from pool to my adress and checked the block explorer. I saw that last transaction was the transfer of 1.26457671 ZCL from my adress but I even dont have such balance of ZCL. I should have recieve  0.10271895 zcl as payment from pool but no such transaction in explorer. Im using this adress for about 7 months and there were no problems with it. And how can it be that 2 wallets have the same adress??!!! Please, help me with this problem and you have to resolve it because it may become the big problem for all ZCL network. Here is the link to my adress block explorerhttps://zcl-explorer.com/insight/address/t1JKs6CMZBwcw7U6B1pNXEPjHDZrjpmkxdq The last transaction is not mine!!![url]

How can I contact with someone from Zclassic team? Its strange that you guys dont care about this problem!!! Do you understand that TWO DIFFERENT ZCLASSIC USERS HAVE GOT THE SAME WALLET ADRESS!!!!!

It is very very (and I mean "very") unlikely that two people got the same address. Can you post a screenshot of your wallet (Eleos or whatever you're using)?

If the mining rewards have been paid to this address and you have that address in your wallet, it should show up in your wallet.
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January 12, 2018, 05:36:12 PM
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Dear Zclassic community,

I am not a miner and don't understand the technicalities of it.
I've supported your coin since the early days when it was less than $2.
Whilst this coin has done amazing in recent weeks (and I'm happy for all involved), I find your increased coin circulation far too aggressive!!! It has literally doubled in a very short space of time.
It just doesn't make it worthwhile holding them anymore, due to the huge inflation!!!

Your White paper does not say much, except that there will be 21M coins in total, which worries me even more.
I'm sure other investors and early adopters will feel the same way as I do.
What measures do you have in place to prevent this massive inflation getting worse?!


Thank you
Hi, i am mining ZCL since 2 weeks now. I think a lot of people are mining ZCL now because the current profitability is very high. The mining difficulty is very high compare to a month before. Before, i could mine 1 ZCL everyday, now only 0.01. The mining difficulty compensate the inflation.
I don't think there is a massive inflation of the coin. There are only 3 million coins now. We are still not at 21 million coins. And there is surely new adapters of ZCL now to compensate it. And look at Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash, they have a lot more coins. Ethereum has so much coins in circulation too and it is so expensive now. But people still think that thoses coins are cheap.

After the fork, all BTC holders will be awarded BTCP at 1:1 ratio, in addition to ZCL holders. That will make the total circulating supply of BTCP = ZCL Supply + BTC Supply

However the total BTCP Supply is still capped at 21 million, just like BTC
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