[ANN] Zclassic, Zcash Fork No Premine, No 20% Founders Tax

[cytryna77]

I don't understand. I had 1000 zclassic before decrease. Now I have 1000 zclassic, and 1000 zencash. If I sell my zclassic will I lost zencash? and what you think, what will be price for zencash and zclassic after 30 may? I don't know what I should do...

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[Breasal]

What will happen with ZCL? Any predictions? Can this new ZEN create more interest and influence slow abandoning of ZCL, or as we had example with KMD , ZCL now can be extremely pumped now when number of coins is lower and price is good for start? But also can go down due to lack of official information.  Thoughts about this?

It all depends on how well ZEN does imho, as that is what all the focus is on now.
The current price of ZCL is not good, but if ZEN does well then it will probably bring the price of ZCL up as well.
However if ZEN does well then it could also cause the price of ZCL to fall even further as no one might really care about ZCL anymore, who knows.
But if ZEN doesn't do well then its safe to say its very bad news for ZCL.

ZEN and ZCL are now independent chains entirely. IMO one thriving has little to do with the other. I suspect ZCL will be more influenced by ZEC as it is will continue to be a carbon copy of ZEC without the tax. What matters for either coin to thrive is network effect. If enough people are interested, through economic incentive, then it will thrive.

[Breasal]

I don't understand. I had 1000 zclassic before decrease. Now I have 1000 zclassic, and 1000 zencash. If I sell my zclassic will I lost zencash? and what you think, what will be price for zencash and zclassic after 30 may? I don't know what I should do...

No if you sell zcl, you will not lose your zen. Hold both.

[J_A_Bankster]

maybe this sounds just too much like common sense... maybe im missing something...
But if ZCL is the original taxless version of ZEC... the real zcash.... it must superpump soon no...? ZEC just went mental on the JP Morgan news...but essentially zec and zcl are the same coin, no?

Its not like with etc and eth... thats a platform token... and as long as nobody seriously develops on etc, of course eth will grow much faster...

But zcl and ec are just a coin on zero knowledge tech..

So either zec is factor 10 overpriced and/or zcl is factor 10 underpriced... right?

All ZCL needs is a kickass wallet and some tweeks and its the same as zec right? even better....

Anyone here thinks ZCL will rocket soon?

[Gekkoo]

Is it a strategic exit to accumulate more ZCL and then moon? Or are they coming out slowly? With ZenCash, what is the rationale for maintaining ZCL?

[Andeze17]

Is it a strategic exit to accumulate more ZCL and then moon? Or are they coming out slowly? With ZenCash, what is the rationale for maintaining ZCL?

From what I understand ZCL will always be a plain fork of ZEC minus the founders reward, so I'm not sure how much maintaining will be done going forward.
ZenCash is the shiny new version of ZCL where the developers will add their own new features.

[Raja_MBZ]

Isn't there any clear road-map of ZCL anymore for upcoming developments?

I hope it wouldn't be left in dust by the developers, ZCL does have a lot of potential.

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[Breasal]

Who are the ZEC devs?

[snowyNNN]

Who are the ZEC devs?

Not sure if you´re in a correct thread (Zec or Zcl?)

Here´s a video of Zen launch and the people behind Zcl/Zencash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL5jNBGAeS0

[smokim87]

Is it a strategic exit to accumulate more ZCL and then moon? Or are they coming out slowly? With ZenCash, what is the rationale for maintaining ZCL?

From what I understand ZCL will always be a plain fork of ZEC minus the founders reward, so I'm not sure how much maintaining will be done going forward.
ZenCash is the shiny new version of ZCL where the developers will add their own new features.

So why the split to Zen? They cloned ZCL to just abandoned ZCL?

Sounds scammy to me if that's the case, pretty much anyone holding ZCL after the snapshot is fucked no?


Another SDC in the making? Not really sure the point of Zen, to be honest it seems like a cash grab to me...they could of just rebranded ZCL to Zen and continued with what they have planned for Zen on ZCL seeing from the Zen site, the devs are the same for both coins.

about to pull the sell trigger to be honest, already in loss rather have some of my btc back then watch this drop to zero while no one knows the future of ZCL...

[Ukuhudu]

You can exercise so patience the dump is general , give it 2-5 months it will bounce back. If its cash grab as you said then definitely they will pump it again.

[snowyNNN]

Is it a strategic exit to accumulate more ZCL and then moon? Or are they coming out slowly? With ZenCash, what is the rationale for maintaining ZCL?

From what I understand ZCL will always be a plain fork of ZEC minus the founders reward, so I'm not sure how much maintaining will be done going forward.
ZenCash is the shiny new version of ZCL where the developers will add their own new features.

So why the split to Zen? They cloned ZCL to just abandoned ZCL?

Sounds scammy to me if that's the case, pretty much anyone holding ZCL after the snapshot is fucked no?


Another SDC in the making? Not really sure the point of Zen, to be honest it seems like a cash grab to me...they could of just rebranded ZCL to Zen and continued with what they have planned for Zen on ZCL seeing from the Zen site, the devs are the same for both coins.

about to pull the sell trigger to be honest, already in loss rather have some of my btc back then watch this drop to zero while no one knows the future of ZCL...

If they would have abandoned Zcl totally as was a talked possibility for a while it would´ve angered even more people + there are many coins that have done swaps to a new coin for a limited time only and those who were unaware of a swap lost their holdings totally!. I´m glad they kept the old chain as it is very useful/promising as a better version of corporateZcash.

People seem angry about the drop in price which was expected as the promise of Zen coins was the main factor in Zclassics recent price hike. Keep up with information about relevent developments, folks!

As there was zero amount as a premine or miners tax to dev-team the Zcl lacked incentive and promotional funds that are crucial to keep up with development so a fairer version is being created for the dev-team.
 
When Zen is launched and on its way those who have Zencoins will be very happy.

[smokim87]

Is it a strategic exit to accumulate more ZCL and then moon? Or are they coming out slowly? With ZenCash, what is the rationale for maintaining ZCL?

From what I understand ZCL will always be a plain fork of ZEC minus the founders reward, so I'm not sure how much maintaining will be done going forward.
ZenCash is the shiny new version of ZCL where the developers will add their own new features.

So why the split to Zen? They cloned ZCL to just abandoned ZCL?

Sounds scammy to me if that's the case, pretty much anyone holding ZCL after the snapshot is fucked no?


Another SDC in the making? Not really sure the point of Zen, to be honest it seems like a cash grab to me...they could of just rebranded ZCL to Zen and continued with what they have planned for Zen on ZCL seeing from the Zen site, the devs are the same for both coins.

about to pull the sell trigger to be honest, already in loss rather have some of my btc back then watch this drop to zero while no one knows the future of ZCL...

If they would have abandoned Zcl totally as was a talked possibility for a while it would´ve angered even more people + there are many coins that have done swaps to a new coin for a limited time only and those who were unaware of a swap lost their holdings totally!. I´m glad they kept the old chain as it is very useful/promising as a better version of corporateZcash.

People seem angry about the drop in price which was expected as the promise of Zen coins was the main factor in Zclassics recent price hike. Keep up with information about relevent developments, folks!

As there was zero amount as a premine or miners tax to dev-team the Zcl lacked incentive and promotional funds that are crucial to keep up with development so a fairer version is being created for the dev-team.
 
When Zen is launched and on its way those who have Zencoins will be very happy.

Any change could of been done in ZCL, if developments they were looking for they could of just did a hard fork and upped the supply a few million and use those as a development fund. From what I understand this wasn't a swap from ZCL to ZEN though, it was a snapshot of ZCL blockchain, ZEN basically hard forked from ZCL and cloned it. Created a new coin from an old coin, seeing they are the same devs for both coins...not sure how they are going to work on both, doubt it to be honest. One is going to be abandoned that more likely it's going to be ZCL imo.

To be honest this doesn't sound right, not yelling scam or anything but this has that written all over it. They could of did a swap from ZCL to ZEN, have that run for a few months and move onto ZEN.

ZCL was pumped before the snapshot, dumped after the snapshot. Shit ton of money was made on ZCL and now free ZEN which will get pumped too...I can't overlook that the devs might have a hand in that...sorry but there's too many schemes and tricks devs in crypto have pulled to suck cash out of people.

[rohitgarnaik]

what will happen to zclassic after launch of zen

[gsxrboy]

what will happen to zclassic after launch of zen

continues to be fully supported , and integrate ZCash updates.

[Johnny00]

Is it a strategic exit to accumulate more ZCL and then moon? Or are they coming out slowly? With ZenCash, what is the rationale for maintaining ZCL?

From what I understand ZCL will always be a plain fork of ZEC minus the founders reward, so I'm not sure how much maintaining will be done going forward.
ZenCash is the shiny new version of ZCL where the developers will add their own new features.

So why the split to Zen? They cloned ZCL to just abandoned ZCL?

Sounds scammy to me if that's the case, pretty much anyone holding ZCL after the snapshot is fucked no?


Another SDC in the making? Not really sure the point of Zen, to be honest it seems like a cash grab to me...they could of just rebranded ZCL to Zen and continued with what they have planned for Zen on ZCL seeing from the Zen site, the devs are the same for both coins.

about to pull the sell trigger to be honest, already in loss rather have some of my btc back then watch this drop to zero while no one knows the future of ZCL...

If they would have abandoned Zcl totally as was a talked possibility for a while it would´ve angered even more people + there are many coins that have done swaps to a new coin for a limited time only and those who were unaware of a swap lost their holdings totally!. I´m glad they kept the old chain as it is very useful/promising as a better version of corporateZcash.

People seem angry about the drop in price which was expected as the promise of Zen coins was the main factor in Zclassics recent price hike. Keep up with information about relevent developments, folks!

As there was zero amount as a premine or miners tax to dev-team the Zcl lacked incentive and promotional funds that are crucial to keep up with development so a fairer version is being created for the dev-team.
 
When Zen is launched and on its way those who have Zencoins will be very happy.

Any change could of been done in ZCL, if developments they were looking for they could of just did a hard fork and upped the supply a few million and use those as a development fund. From what I understand this wasn't a swap from ZCL to ZEN though, it was a snapshot of ZCL blockchain, ZEN basically hard forked from ZCL and cloned it. Created a new coin from an old coin, seeing they are the same devs for both coins...not sure how they are going to work on both, doubt it to be honest. One is going to be abandoned that more likely it's going to be ZCL imo.

To be honest this doesn't sound right, not yelling scam or anything but this has that written all over it. They could of did a swap from ZCL to ZEN, have that run for a few months and move onto ZEN.

ZCL was pumped before the snapshot, dumped after the snapshot. Shit ton of money was made on ZCL and now free ZEN which will get pumped too...I can't overlook that the devs might have a hand in that...sorry but there's too many schemes and tricks devs in crypto have pulled to suck cash out of people.

Zcl was 30k Satoshi before the announcement in march so plenty of time to buy. Zcl replaces zec and zen is an improvment. More coins will be forked from Zcl so really cheap here

[rastimonac]

Is it a strategic exit to accumulate more ZCL and then moon? Or are they coming out slowly? With ZenCash, what is the rationale for maintaining ZCL?

From what I understand ZCL will always be a plain fork of ZEC minus the founders reward, so I'm not sure how much maintaining will be done going forward.
ZenCash is the shiny new version of ZCL where the developers will add their own new features.

So why the split to Zen? They cloned ZCL to just abandoned ZCL?

Sounds scammy to me if that's the case, pretty much anyone holding ZCL after the snapshot is fucked no?


Another SDC in the making? Not really sure the point of Zen, to be honest it seems like a cash grab to me...they could of just rebranded ZCL to Zen and continued with what they have planned for Zen on ZCL seeing from the Zen site, the devs are the same for both coins.

about to pull the sell trigger to be honest, already in loss rather have some of my btc back then watch this drop to zero while no one knows the future of ZCL...

If they would have abandoned Zcl totally as was a talked possibility for a while it would´ve angered even more people + there are many coins that have done swaps to a new coin for a limited time only and those who were unaware of a swap lost their holdings totally!. I´m glad they kept the old chain as it is very useful/promising as a better version of corporateZcash.

People seem angry about the drop in price which was expected as the promise of Zen coins was the main factor in Zclassics recent price hike. Keep up with information about relevent developments, folks!

As there was zero amount as a premine or miners tax to dev-team the Zcl lacked incentive and promotional funds that are crucial to keep up with development so a fairer version is being created for the dev-team.
 
When Zen is launched and on its way those who have Zencoins will be very happy.

Any change could of been done in ZCL, if developments they were looking for they could of just did a hard fork and upped the supply a few million and use those as a development fund. From what I understand this wasn't a swap from ZCL to ZEN though, it was a snapshot of ZCL blockchain, ZEN basically hard forked from ZCL and cloned it. Created a new coin from an old coin, seeing they are the same devs for both coins...not sure how they are going to work on both, doubt it to be honest. One is going to be abandoned that more likely it's going to be ZCL imo.

To be honest this doesn't sound right, not yelling scam or anything but this has that written all over it. They could of did a swap from ZCL to ZEN, have that run for a few months and move onto ZEN.

ZCL was pumped before the snapshot, dumped after the snapshot. Shit ton of money was made on ZCL and now free ZEN which will get pumped too...I can't overlook that the devs might have a hand in that...sorry but there's too many schemes and tricks devs in crypto have pulled to suck cash out of people.

Zcl was 30k Satoshi before the announcement in march so plenty of time to buy. Zcl replaces zec and zen is an improvment. More coins will be forked from Zcl so really cheap here

Agree. I watch all kind of coins rise. Zclassic is a good coin and deserve better, buy and hold. It will be worth it.

[daily_elephant]

maybe this sounds just too much like common sense... maybe im missing something...
But if ZCL is the original taxless version of ZEC... the real zcash.... it must superpump soon no...? ZEC just went mental on the JP Morgan news...but essentially zec and zcl are the same coin, no?

Its not like with etc and eth... thats a platform token... and as long as nobody seriously develops on etc, of course eth will grow much faster...

But zcl and ec are just a coin on zero knowledge tech..

So either zec is factor 10 overpriced and/or zcl is factor 10 underpriced... right?

All ZCL needs is a kickass wallet and some tweeks and its the same as zec right? even better....

Anyone here thinks ZCL will rocket soon?

You're absolutely right!
Right now the price is so low because a lot of people still selling ZCL that they bought only for ZEN but in a few month maybe less price is going to rise drastically.
The only thing is devs have to show at least a little activity on ZCL to assure people that project is still alive.

[gsxrboy]

maybe this sounds just too much like common sense... maybe im missing something...
But if ZCL is the original taxless version of ZEC... the real zcash.... it must superpump soon no...? ZEC just went mental on the JP Morgan news...but essentially zec and zcl are the same coin, no?

Its not like with etc and eth... thats a platform token... and as long as nobody seriously develops on etc, of course eth will grow much faster...

But zcl and ec are just a coin on zero knowledge tech..

So either zec is factor 10 overpriced and/or zcl is factor 10 underpriced... right?

All ZCL needs is a kickass wallet and some tweeks and its the same as zec right? even better....

Anyone here thinks ZCL will rocket soon?

You're absolutely right!
Right now the price is so low because a lot of people still selling ZCL that they bought only for ZEN but in a few month maybe less price is going to rise drastically.
The only thing is devs have to show at least a little activity on ZCL to assure people that project is still alive.

i think we will have some news, pretty soon , anyway as it was said countless times, ZCL will remain independent of Zen , and will always be fully supported.