[MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 Proof-of-Work, launched in 2013

[DesktopCommando]

For this Communities Information - MOON is going to be listed free of charge on https://emblemvault.com/ 's DEX, due to be released very soon.

https://coinscribble.com/emblem-vault-announces-support-for-more-than-500-cryptocurrencies/2085/releases/34/

https://github.com/DecentricCorp/coininfoplus/blob/master/lib/alts.js

for more information have a look at our Bitcointalk page https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1652345.0

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[ItsRainingMoney]

For this Communities Information - MOON is going to be listed free of charge on https://emblemvault.com/ 's DEX, due to be released very soon.

https://coinscribble.com/emblem-vault-announces-support-for-more-than-500-cryptocurrencies/2085/releases/34/

https://github.com/DecentricCorp/coininfoplus/blob/master/lib/alts.js

for more information have a look at our Bitcointalk page https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1652345.0

Wonderful news. Moon will be omnipresent. 

[MoonCoinRus]

Hello!
Coinexchange Report from Mooncoin News Telegram:
We were informed by CE that false deposits were being made and trading had to be suspended until we could find a resolution. We didn't have much information to go on with at first which meant we had to go through many different scenarios as to how it was happening.

This meant trawling through past changes in Github and forks, trying to find out if there was a 51% attack during times of high mining hashrate, whether someone had created a side chain. None of these things happened so we had to go back to CE to try to get more information.
Eventually, they sent us some of the tx id's which we put through our Block Explorer. We found that none of these tx's were confirmed by our blockchain despite CE telling us they had 500 confirmations. That meant further investigation (Why did they have confirms but we couldn't see them). It turns out they have been using an unofficial wallet build. We do not know of this build nor who built it. We guess that a previous dev built it as a test but never published it.

Out of all that, CE say they have paid out 316M Mooncoins to whoever did the false deposits. They now say we are responsible for reimbursing them all of these coins.
We have discussed it at length not only with the team but with the long term large holders in Mooncoin. We are all in agreement that we cannot be held responsible for what happens in an exchange. We don't know how they have confirms when they don't appear on our blockchain.
We contacted Vass, our previous developer, who advised us that he emailed Coinexchange on 31st December 2017 to update to the latest build. He supplied them with the official build. It appears that they did not do this.
Due to that we refuse to pay CE 316 million Mooncoins.
1 We do not have that sum to start with.
2 Devs cannot be held responsible for the workings of an exchange and do not see this as a Mooncoin problem.
3 We see this as a ransom to relist Mooncoin on CE, we could be liable to same situation in future. This means extra pressure on devs and they would essentially be liable for any future exchange problems.

In response to end-users who ask when the MOON market will be open again, CE has been replying that they are 'waiting for the MoonCoin developers to resolve the outstanding issues' before they can re-enable the wallet. Please understand that when they say this, they do not mean resolution of a technical issue. We have walked them through building the proper release version of the wallet, and they have done so successfully.  The 'outstanding issue' in their eyes is the payment of 316M mooncoin, which they are demanding from the dev team.

It has taken many long hours to  find out what the issues were and to come up with a resolution. Thank you to Michi and Mebagger for their meticulous and painstaking efforts throughout.


As a community coin it is now open for the community to discuss.


If you have any suggestions welcome to: https://t.me/MoonCoinEco. We have a hot conversation right now.

[polemarhos888]

Hello!
Coinexchange Report from Mooncoin News Telegram:
We were informed by CE that false deposits were being made and trading had to be suspended until we could find a resolution. We didn't have much information to go on with at first which meant we had to go through many different scenarios as to how it was happening.

This meant trawling through past changes in Github and forks, trying to find out if there was a 51% attack during times of high mining hashrate, whether someone had created a side chain. None of these things happened so we had to go back to CE to try to get more information.
Eventually, they sent us some of the tx id's which we put through our Block Explorer. We found that none of these tx's were confirmed by our blockchain despite CE telling us they had 500 confirmations. That meant further investigation (Why did they have confirms but we couldn't see them). It turns out they have been using an unofficial wallet build. We do not know of this build nor who built it. We guess that a previous dev built it as a test but never published it.

Out of all that, CE say they have paid out 316M Mooncoins to whoever did the false deposits. They now say we are responsible for reimbursing them all of these coins.
We have discussed it at length not only with the team but with the long term large holders in Mooncoin. We are all in agreement that we cannot be held responsible for what happens in an exchange. We don't know how they have confirms when they don't appear on our blockchain.
We contacted Vass, our previous developer, who advised us that he emailed Coinexchange on 31st December 2017 to update to the latest build. He supplied them with the official build. It appears that they did not do this.
Due to that we refuse to pay CE 316 million Mooncoins.
1 We do not have that sum to start with.
2 Devs cannot be held responsible for the workings of an exchange and do not see this as a Mooncoin problem.
3 We see this as a ransom to relist Mooncoin on CE, we could be liable to same situation in future. This means extra pressure on devs and they would essentially be liable for any future exchange problems.

In response to end-users who ask when the MOON market will be open again, CE has been replying that they are 'waiting for the MoonCoin developers to resolve the outstanding issues' before they can re-enable the wallet. Please understand that when they say this, they do not mean resolution of a technical issue. We have walked them through building the proper release version of the wallet, and they have done so successfully.  The 'outstanding issue' in their eyes is the payment of 316M mooncoin, which they are demanding from the dev team.

It has taken many long hours to  find out what the issues were and to come up with a resolution. Thank you to Michi and Mebagger for their meticulous and painstaking efforts throughout.


As a community coin it is now open for the community to discuss.


If you have any suggestions welcome to: https://t.me/MoonCoinEco. We have a hot conversation right now.

Good afternoon. Thank you for this announcement. This community needed it.

[giantkin]

Sounds like they should be charged 400 million mooncoin for diagnostic evaluation of their error.

i know, this isnt a resolution of this problem. but it irks me.

Maybe a SS of Vass sent email with timestamps etc.   not that it will really matter, but if they push in public, it can be posted by anyone, that they failed to comply.

...ugh.

Well, guess we move on.

[MrAble]

 Here We Frick'n go Again

LOCKED STATUS

 

The main fact rises Again Coinexchange seeks to disable the mooncoin transfers as
long as that the 316 million mooncoins are Paid?

As for this matter what now?

[giantkin]

Here We Frick'n go Again

LOCKED STATUS

 

The main fact rises Again Coinexchange seeks to disable the mooncoin transfers as
long as that the 316 million mooncoins are Paid?

As for this matter what now?

thats correct. (going by the post)   they are locking the coin up, until the ransom is paid.

  and they are saying its 'our' fault.    and 'we' are saying its their fault.

ofc, i am saying our/we meaning coin dev team.

    Even with proof, they could still refuse to reenable coin.


Other exchanges would be a good idea.   (course, i dont know the cost to get on the various exchanges)

 many smaller 'free' exchanges would benefit us atm.

[MrAble]

Well reading al the previous posts and experiencing all its bullshit its becomes more and more clear

Mooncoin Needs Hard Work!

Bright people who put effort in the standalone version of distributing the coin
Coinexchange shouldn't be in this equation of it!

Dealing with coinexchange is hard. info they provide is utterly Crap in 99% of questions asked.
they also made me very clear they aren''t giving any shit of its people who use their platform.

Such a shame but we will hang on here.

Coinexchange is as i see it an Virus it hoovers with clouds above some coins.

They have a nack of Stealing and Stalling



As in further notice maybe its buildable to get an better distributing way like NLG has for example

[giantkin]

when an exchange (or a mining pool) decides not to update,

 it causes alot of grief.

   ( mining pool that i was using for awhile, stopped responded, hasnt updated wallets etc. payouts are missing on and on H2C)

 was a great pool for a long time. not sure what happened.  no responses for months.  ppl wondering about their coin payouts, and
dev's begging them to update...    almost all went unfixed. (seems that 1 or 2 was updated)
 but NEVEr a word ... really strange.

 lucky i pulled out months ago at the first sign of ...oddities.

I just cross them off my list of good pools/exchanges and put them on my scamlist.
 and hope they pull themselves up out of the crap.

[Mooncoin_Foundation]

Hello!
Coinexchange Report from Mooncoin News Telegram:

We contacted Vass, our previous developer, who advised us that he emailed Coinexchange on 31st December 2017 to update to the latest build. He supplied them with the official build. It appears that they did not do this.
Due to that we refuse to pay CE 316 million Mooncoins.
1 We do not have that sum to start with.
2 Devs cannot be held responsible for the workings of an exchange and do not see this as a Mooncoin problem.
3 We see this as a ransom to relist Mooncoin on CE, we could be liable to same situation in future. This means extra pressure on devs and they would essentially be liable for any future exchange problems.

Thank you for the announcement.
It's more likely that they updated to the correct version (that is a fact, they updated and posted wallet's version on their page at the beginning of 2018 and informed Vassilis that they updated), but later (maybe in September-October) started using another version by mistake. Otherwise problems would appear much earlier.

If we put emotions away, what do we have:
1) Coinexchange is not a scam, they work since 2014 and now they have a big business with good profit from fees, people claim they have a poor support, yes, but they definitely are not interested to ransom any coin, especially one which currently has no much liquidity
2) They have lost 316M MOON and have no much time to investigate what happened in detail (just look how many coins they have listed), probably it would cost them more than 316M MOON to hire an expert to do this research, that's why they want the simpliest solution: the correct MOON balance at their exchange (+316M MOON)
3) We have to think it over without emotions and accusations (remember that Cryptopia delisted MOON shortly after public accusations against their exchange),
do we need active DOGE and LTC markets or not. Other exchanges can list MOON at BTC markets and delist it later because MOON is under 1 Satoshi currently and BTC markets will not be active right now.
4) Of course, if Coinexchange is paid, it's necessary to receive an agreement from them that they will not delist MOON after that at least during some period and that they will use only the correct version of wallet in the future.
5) It's clear that the community is tired and that no one wants to pay these coins to an exchange. However, Mooncoin has big investors, some of them are not even active in the thread and just read us, they can decide to pay or not, to save Coinexchange's MOON markets or not.
6) To motivate big investors, there is a suggestion: theoretically it takes no longer than 1 month to implement SmartLikes, a dev mebagger2 already knows the algo, he can do that (we need his agreement though) - it's quite likely that if he agrees to implement SmartLikes in the nearest future, big Mooncoin investors will become optimistic and will agree to pay these 316M to Coinexchange.
7) After implementing of SmartLikes and reestablishing of Coinexchange markets definitely there will be a good demand which will increase the  Mooncoin network hashrate and make MOON more stable and secure.

What do you think?

[agswinner]

It is right to continue the dialogue with coinexchange, maybe they give us a discount. I do not remember if they have listed MOON, at that time, for Free. To be able to move on, i can donate 200M.

[MrAble]

Hello!
Coinexchange Report from Mooncoin News Telegram:

We contacted Vass, our previous developer, who advised us that he emailed Coinexchange on 31st December 2017 to update to the latest build. He supplied them with the official build. It appears that they did not do this.
Due to that we refuse to pay CE 316 million Mooncoins.
1 We do not have that sum to start with.
2 Devs cannot be held responsible for the workings of an exchange and do not see this as a Mooncoin problem.
3 We see this as a ransom to relist Mooncoin on CE, we could be liable to same situation in future. This means extra pressure on devs and they would essentially be liable for any future exchange problems.

Thank you for the announcement.
It's more likely that they updated to the correct version (that is a fact, they updated and posted wallet's version on their page at the beginning of 2018 and informed Vassilis that they updated), but later (maybe in September-October) started using another version by mistake. Otherwise problems would appear much earlier.

If we put emotions away, what do we have:
1) Coinexchange is not a scam, they work since 2014 and now they have a big business with good profit from fees, people claim they have a poor support, yes, but they definitely are not interested to ransom any coin, especially one which currently has no much liquidity
2) They have lost 316M MOON and have no much time to investigate what happened in detail (just look how many coins they have listed), probably it would cost them more than 316M MOON to hire an expert to do this research, that's why they want the simpliest solution: the correct MOON balance at their exchange (+316M MOON)
3) We have to think it over without emotions and accusations (remember that Cryptopia delisted MOON shortly after public accusations against their exchange),
do we need active DOGE and LTC markets or not. Other exchanges can list MOON at BTC markets and delist it later because MOON is under 1 Satoshi currently and BTC markets will not be active right now.
4) Of course, if Coinexchange is paid, it's necessary to receive an agreement from them that they will not delist MOON after that at least during some period and that they will use only the correct version of wallet in the future.
5) It's clear that the community is tired and that no one wants to pay these coins to an exchange. However, Mooncoin has big investors, some of them are not even active in the thread and just read us, they can decide to pay or not, to save Coinexchange's MOON markets or not.
6) To motivate big investors, there is a suggestion: theoretically it takes no longer than 1 month to implement SmartLikes, a dev mebagger2 already knows the algo, he can do that (we need his agreement though) - it's quite likely that if he agrees to implement SmartLikes in the nearest future, big Mooncoin investors will become optimistic and will agree to pay these 316M to Coinexchange.
7) After implementing of SmartLikes and reestablishing of Coinexchange markets definitely there will be a good demand which will increase the  Mooncoin network hashrate and make MOON more stable and secure.

What do you think?

Emotions Aside
Coinexchange in my experience does not provide good service and costed me thousands of euro's
1 Why is it so hard to help their customers?
2 they lost? 316 million coins (weird, especcialy when they've been in and out the wallet maintance!
3 No accusations but hard Experiance with them! and thats what people encounter.
4 Well good point made there.
5 Yes Tired is a carefull chosen word it makes you sick!
6 and 7 good news!

[nico12321]

6) To motivate big investors, there is a suggestion: theoretically it takes no longer than 1 month to implement SmartLikes, a dev mebagger2 already knows the algo, he can do that (we need his agreement though) - it's quite likely that if he agrees to implement SmartLikes in the nearest future, big Mooncoin investors will become optimistic and will agree to pay these 316M to Coinexchange.

Provided that if he agrees to implement SmartLikes within a month, I can donate 116M to Coinexchange.

[giantkin]

ugh.

its not 'our' fault.
it sounds like its 'their' fault.

 yet 'we' gotta pay.  (albiet its not my coin, i dont have hardly any comparatively, and what i do have is on paper) but it still the
Morality of it, irks me.

[EbenTheva]

Wow.. great to see @agswinner and @nico12321 step up to the plate to make up the 316M between the two of them. This is great news for the community and want to thank you both for your kind consideration. The thought that MOON will be active again at CE, is a great news. CE had a similar issue with PWR coin when it swapped and MOON was going to be another coin I feared I might loose at CE. But thanks to you both, I can feel relaxed now.

A BIG THANK YOU and may you be blessed!!!

[Mooncoin_Foundation]

Thank you! Now we need an agreement from Mooncoin dev,
whether he is ready to manage that to help the community.

[Dendy Mooner]

Great news!
I have some funds locked at CE. It is very annoying than I can't reach them.

[ItsRainingMoney]

Great news!
I have some funds locked at CE. It is very annoying than I can't reach them.

Yea, thats one of the reasons why I preffer to keep my coins in my wallet until the action actually starts. But I hope coinexchange inactive status on Moon will come to an end soon.  

[Quixodus]

I'm invested in MOON and a bit worried about the lack of apparent dev activity. There used to be a strong proactive dev team behind Mooncoin. What's going on these days? Thanks though to those who are willing to contribute to the CE ransom. Much appreciated.

[lostsoul86]

Hi, I have 10 000 000  moon coins on Coinexchange.io bought in April. Are they safe or lost?