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April 15, 2013, 02:12:14 AM
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I just noticed he posted 3 Tweets @ https://twitter.com/Bitcoin24com, not that they're very informative ... But we'll see tomorrow...

I'm don't work with computers really, so please could someone put my mind at rest about this URL - http://adminsimidi5544.bitcoin-24.com/

I entered my details here after someone posted it in another thread (or this one?). I'm sure it would have been flagged already - and I'm close to sure that the .bitcoin-24.com part of the address means it's still hosted in the same place as the real deal, BUT considering the rest of my tech knowledge I'd like to be reassured if possible... thanks and fingers crossed on the bitcoin24 headfuck adventure for all of us.  Undecided

As far as I can tell this is the real login page for the admin part of the site. I tried logging in there as well but it didn't work obviously.

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April 15, 2013, 04:06:18 AM
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DO NOT TRUST THE "ALPHA" OF BTC24

IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE TRYING TO SCAM PPL

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c7utl/bitcoin24com_the_polish_authority_closed_your_our/c9f9fcp

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The URL mentioned in the post points to this IP:
BaseRecord    Pref    NameIP-numberReverseRouteAutonomous System
bitcoin-24x.coma76.73.42.227
Denver, CO, United States
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(from http://ip.robtex.com/76.73.42.227.html)

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April 15, 2013, 07:53:52 AM
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let's hope the problem will resolve quickly. I don't think that bitcoin-24 was a scam, but it just wasn't well thought through technically and legally
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April 15, 2013, 08:20:18 AM
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As a german involved into this with about 30.000€ in withdrawal I have bad news for everyone.

First off, I am running a company since 4 years. We have had similar problems in the first, due to a high figure cashflow (not near the several million mark as BTC24, but close). The problem is not only criminal money, but also the taxes that not have been paid.

Yes, he has a company in UK. Yes, he said he pays taxes. But if you receive a single transaction above 10.000€ the BaFin (the bank supverision) will investigate and eventually involve the german tax authorities. This is where the problem really starts. When the german tax authorities start to investigate, they dont respect any customer rights.
Also, it seems like the BaFin requested the accounts to be closed. Or even the tax authorities, Hausdorf has not been very open about that. I dont think he does not want to be transparent with this, but that he simply has no clue. I have discussed this with our tax advisor and he told me some cruel storys.
For example has there been a Voucher Exchange based in UK operating in germany which has been closed without the funds ever being released again. The reason is simple:
You are laundering money. Yes, your money would be released if you could proof the tax authorities or the BaFin wrong. But the problem is: You simply cant.
To proof that you are not laundering money you need to provide personal details with proof for EVERY transaction on your bank account AND online transactions.

This is where the problem starts: How does Hausdorf proof that he is not cashing himself thousands of bitcoins out to different addresses? Right, he cant.

I do not believe in anything he says except the part with his bank accounts. And also there may be a lawyer involved, but he cant change anything.

This being said, I am very angry. I have only read all that scary stuff from him a few days ago.
He is being reckless with a lot of money and I hope he will rod in jail for that stupid shit he did. He as ZERO CLUE of what he has gotten into. For example did he post on reddit something about sueing german government for a compensation payment and to release a bonus to all users when that is over. NOT GONNA HAPPEN, DOUCHEBAG.

Yea, I'm angry that I lost 30k, still I am a stupid shit for not investigating before I deposited money.

Worst thing is: I am going to be one of the last ones to receive money. Because he is too stupid to increase daily transfer limit (for me its only a call to increase it to 500k or whatever, did it several times without problems, apparently he is not able to pick up the phone) he would take 3 days to transfer my money alone.
You dont have to be a genius that he will transfer all small payments first to increase good feedback.

If I ever see my money again I will be a happy man, but right now I am depressed.
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April 15, 2013, 09:39:19 AM
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The weekend is gone and we're all waiting for a promised statement from Simon. What I'd like to hear from him is:
- whether the bank issues will be solved or not, if yes, when should customers expect to be able to withdraw EUR/$ from their accounts
- how big was the impact of the trading engine error on the BTC amount available.  Were there any BTC losses (customers withdrawaing amounts resulted from double/triple trades), if so what would be the percent potentially affecting customers BTC balances?
- is there a solution to either of the two issues (banking/trading engine)?

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April 15, 2013, 09:43:17 AM
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I'm don't work with computers really, so please could someone put my mind at rest about this URL - http://adminsimidi5544.bitcoin-24.com/


I entered my details here after someone posted it in another thread (or this one?). I'm sure it would have been flagged already - and I'm close to sure that the .bitcoin-24.com part of the address means it's still hosted in the same place as the real deal, BUT considering the rest of my tech knowledge I'd like to be reassured if possible... thanks and fingers crossed on the bitcoin24 headfuck adventure for all of us.  Undecided



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April 15, 2013, 10:01:52 AM
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If you agree, as I do, that bitcoin-24x.com is not a legitimate site, please report it to Google at http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/report_phish/

Done. Advise everyone to do the same before people who did not see this wouldn't get them selves caught in even more shit.
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April 15, 2013, 10:07:10 AM
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strange. now it redirects to bitcoin-24.com

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April 15, 2013, 10:15:17 AM
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hy guys, fasten your seatbelts:
http://www.reddit.com/user/TAiS46

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April 15, 2013, 10:43:25 AM
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hy guys, fasten your seatbelts:
http://www.reddit.com/user/TAiS46

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As I said above, that week will go by without any withdrawals. Then there will be a 3 month timeout and Hausdorf will go broke. Then there will be no lawyer anymore and we will have lost our money. Only way for him to solve this further is sell the bitcoins that we have deposited at Bitcoin 24.
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April 15, 2013, 10:55:23 AM
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As I said above, that week will go by without any withdrawals. Then there will be a 3 month timeout and Hausdorf will go broke. Then there will be no lawyer anymore and we will have lost our money. Only way for him to solve this further is sell the bitcoins that we have deposited at Bitcoin 24.


lol, only way if money(eur) lost  that everybody gets only bitcoins,  but only 30%-60% of their balance (eur,btc, according rates)   ( to cover the eur loss and everybody get back some money in this case btc )    and after it you could withdraw your bitcoins to elsewhere
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April 15, 2013, 11:08:20 AM
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After all that Ive seen and experienced, I really don't have any appetite for any of these amateur hour "Bitcoin exchanges" anymore.

Unless or until an established Forex dealing business expands into the Bitcoin market I think I'd prefer to avoid the lot.
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April 15, 2013, 11:18:58 AM
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I'm not sure I fully understood what the "Germans" want from him. They want to close his business in order to reduce their bank's vulnerability? They just want him to return the stolen funds even though they were not stolen by him? What is he supposed to do during that 7 days time frame? Aren't other exchanges exposed to the same risks? And still no real updates on the trading engine errors and no ETA on site being operational again (at least the possibility of checking our balances).

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April 15, 2013, 11:27:50 AM
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I'm not sure I fully understood what the "Germans" want from him. They want to close his business in order to reduce their bank's vulnerability? They just want him to return the stolen funds even though they were not stolen by him? What is he supposed to do during that 7 days time frame? Aren't other exchanges exposed to the same risks? And still no real updates on the trading engine errors and no ETA on site being operational again (at least the possibility of checking our balances).
I have the feeling the operator of this exchange is out of his depth with this business.

I hope at the very least he has a competent database admin and systems programmer to work alongside him, as well as competent legal advice regarding banking and currency exchange regulations.

You also need a skilled computer systems security specialist to keep a continuous eye on all the server security issues.

I wouldn't dare venture into such a business without having at least the above competencies to hand, it would just be inviting big problems sooner or later.

It's rather a German response to immediately start threatening legal action left right and centre when something goes wrong.."Sie werden von meinem Anwalt hoeren".
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April 15, 2013, 12:04:15 PM
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some more 'news'...

http://www.reddit.com/user/TAiS46

just an ETA would be nice... i just wanna check my funds...
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April 15, 2013, 12:11:50 PM
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This is looking more and more fishy. Random comments on twitter, not answering a question that has been asked 1000 times ("what about the BTC? Why do you keep talking about "bank accounts"?), updating via reddit..

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April 15, 2013, 12:28:03 PM
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This is looking more and more fishy. Random comments on twitter, not answering a question that has been asked 1000 times ("what about the BTC? Why do you keep talking about "bank accounts"?), updating via reddit..

It's just amateur hour that's all. Nothing fishy about amateur hour. Its what you expect.
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April 15, 2013, 12:39:10 PM
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This is looking more and more fishy. Random comments on twitter, not answering a question that has been asked 1000 times ("what about the BTC? Why do you keep talking about "bank accounts"?), updating via reddit..

It's just amateur hour that's all. Nothing fishy about amateur hour. Its what you expect.

This is either amateur hour or a scam. Have we seen anything that makes it improbable that this is a scam? Have we seen any statements from the banks/his lawyers whatever that verifies his story?
I'm not saying this is a scam, but I wouldn't actually be surprised if it turns out to be one, right now we would be in the" stalling" stage.
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April 15, 2013, 12:42:42 PM
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I don't understand the whole story! Wasn't it a German bank account? IBAN was starting with DE which stands for Germany!

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April 15, 2013, 01:10:05 PM
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This is looking more and more fishy. Random comments on twitter, not answering a question that has been asked 1000 times ("what about the BTC? Why do you keep talking about "bank accounts"?), updating via reddit..

It's just amateur hour that's all. Nothing fishy about amateur hour. Its what you expect.

This is either amateur hour or a scam. Have we seen anything that makes it improbable that this is a scam? Have we seen any statements from the banks/his lawyers whatever that verifies his story?
I'm not saying this is a scam, but I wouldn't actually be surprised if it turns out to be one, right now we would be in the" stalling" stage.

if you look back through the threads on this forum it appears that there have been numerous problems with this exchange (as also with the others), and it's still around and he hasn't taken off yet with all the money.

If he did so it would be extremely foolish. And it's not difficult to trace people with internet and mobile phones etc so he wouldnt even get very far for very long. People leave their digital fingerprints all over the place nowadays.

So on balance I don't think there's anything shady going on. Just a heap of cock ups and a great pile of ****.

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