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April 19, 2013, 07:44:04 PM
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The authorities closed Simon's little money laundering, because he had not a single verification procedure. Imagine all the money laundering after a successful phishing. His exchange grand them laundering in 5 mins. Register, use instant sofort banking or giro pay buy bitcoins, transfer. That was the main reason the price at btc24 was always way higher than the other exchanges.This is Simon's fault and he has to take some responsibility and not blame the banks, authorities, and customers.

Is he blaming the customers?

Given the latest statement he gave in German, I would say yes.

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April 19, 2013, 08:15:02 PM
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While the fiat holders are somehow protected by the authorities ...

lol, i sold XY btc , (in 1 transaction), without any identity proof,   when gox was down,   so what do you think am i  fiat holder?  authorites know nothing about me, and from all others who deposited btc , and not via sepa


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what do we do? email confirmation with Bitcoin-24 and "withdrawal" screen shots from transactions from our other trading platform? Bitstamp has records of everything that goes in and out for you to look at...

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April 19, 2013, 08:16:32 PM
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Is he blaming the customers?

Given the latest statement he gave in German, I would say yes.

I would say no, also based on his last declaration.

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April 19, 2013, 08:17:30 PM
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The authorities closed Simon's little money laundering, because he had not a single verification procedure. Imagine all the money laundering after a successful phishing. His exchange grand them laundering in 5 mins. Register, use instant sofort banking or giro pay buy bitcoins, transfer. That was the main reason the price at btc24 was always way higher than the other exchanges.This is Simon's fault and he has to take some responsibility and not blame the banks, authorities, and customers.


now that makes sense... I transferred bitcoins to sell to make extra money... buy at $60, sell at €55... no reason not to. Except for this shit now of course

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April 19, 2013, 08:19:27 PM
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Is he blaming the customers?

Given the latest statement he gave in German, I would say yes.

I would say no, also based on his last declaration.




can you give us a quote that supports that?

All I saw was a "guys I'm not going to run off with your money, what do you think of me" and "the guys who are threatening me will be dealt with" type comments... no blame on "customers" at all

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April 19, 2013, 09:27:21 PM
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so i guess we should start to sue.
If he had no legal statuts he is at least responsible for that. We are the victims here.
Not sure how to gather up and do something in germany. any idea?

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April 19, 2013, 10:05:28 PM
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Simon's operation was closed due to "suspicion of fraud" not ml,

" Ladies and Gentlemen,

regarding your question, I would like to inform that due www.bitcoins-24.de not the Bremen authorities, but law enforcement authorities in Berlin are responsible for the facts in the investigation. The investigation on suspicion of fraud will be conducted at the StA Berlin under number 241 Js 380/13.

I ask relevant questions thus jurisdictional convenience to be sent to the local authority in Berlin. "

therefore there maybe still a chance for fraud charges to be dropped and maybe continue the operation, or just let everybody get their money out.

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April 19, 2013, 10:32:14 PM
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The authorities closed Simon's little money laundering, because he had not a single verification procedure. Imagine all the money laundering after a successful phishing. His exchange grand them laundering in 5 mins. Register, use instant sofort banking or giro pay buy bitcoins, transfer. That was the main reason the price at btc24 was always way higher than the other exchanges.This is Simon's fault and he has to take some responsibility and not blame the banks, authorities, and customers.

Is he blaming the customers?

why not, he's blamed everyone else (but himself)

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April 19, 2013, 11:07:51 PM
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Hmm... It seems we are many, and some of us have high stakes, which provides great motivation to act to get the money back.

I'm not sure if Simon or the German authority is the bad guy here - probably both. Moreover, I don't know which of them is more prone to transfer our BTC back to us.

If German authorities recognize that Bitcoins are value, then there is hope they'll not confiscate them. Anyway, the German authorities could be sued if they don't give out our BTC. The most wealthy men could unite to put up such a great lawsuit that even stands a chance against the German authority. This is just my common sense speculation, but think about it!

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April 19, 2013, 11:26:57 PM
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But NOOO It is the EVIL banks
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Its completely up to the authorities  gentlemen .Don't expect much from Bitcoin-24.com

edit:.... ladies and gentlemen.....

i deposited bitcoin, never sold bitcoin, can't withdraw bitcoin. No bank was ever involved.

Yet somehow the banks are to blame and simon is jesus 2.0. Love the seized hardware rumour he's putting out so he can hold onto people's bitcoin. He can update his website but can't return bitcoin. hmmm

I'm 'lucky' in that I only deposited a small amount of bitcoin. Still annoying and hope he gets raped in prison.
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April 19, 2013, 11:39:42 PM
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it s not all about bitcoin. Euro should come back too in a reasonable timeframe. Otherwise i guess we can act.

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April 20, 2013, 12:36:05 AM
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The authorities closed Simon's little money laundering, ... Imagine all the money laundering after a successful phishing.

You say that like money laundering is a bad thing.  Huh

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April 20, 2013, 12:47:02 AM
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The authorities closed Simon's little money laundering, ... Imagine all the money laundering after a successful phishing.

You say that like money laundering is a bad thing.  Huh
I think there are a lot of people interested in bitcoin who still fall prey to state propaganda.

Folks, entertain the theory that any good business that respects the privacy of its customers qualifies as an open door to "money laundering", and that the prevention of THEFT requires... Prevention!  (Not Catching the thief afterwards by trampling all over everyone else.)

The non-theft-related "laundering" of money (tax evasion and hiding the profits from businesses that are illegal) are actually very good for economies, and the government stance against them is oppressive and destructive. 

Austrian economics can demonstrate this, and if that interests you, check out The Ludwig von Mises Institute.  If you'd like a more panoptic view, do a search for austrian bitcoin on your favorite search engine.  If the results don't make sense, try Google instead and ditch that other search engine to reduce your exposure to so much propaganda.

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April 20, 2013, 01:05:49 AM
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I have currently 30,000 EUR on Bitcoin 24, and would be happy to sue the German government now.
Let them seize the servers and let's do forensics on them to figure out what everybody's balance is.
After that, let's pay everyone.
Other people with big balance, let's make a group and go directly to the German government.
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i deposited bitcoin, never sold bitcoin, can't withdraw bitcoin. No bank was ever involved.

Yet somehow the banks are to blame and simon is jesus 2.0. Love the seized hardware rumour he's putting out so he can hold onto people's bitcoin. He can update his website but can't return bitcoin. hmmm

I'm 'lucky' in that I only deposited a small amount of bitcoin. Still annoying and hope he gets raped in prison.

I understand you are angry. And it's justified to feel angry. However, wishing Simon gets imprisoned and raped is just disgusting of you.
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i deposited bitcoin, never sold bitcoin, can't withdraw bitcoin. No bank was ever involved.

Yet somehow the banks are to blame and simon is jesus 2.0. Love the seized hardware rumour he's putting out so he can hold onto people's bitcoin. He can update his website but can't return bitcoin. hmmm

I'm 'lucky' in that I only deposited a small amount of bitcoin. Still annoying and hope he gets raped in prison.

I understand you are angry. And it's justified to feel angry. However, wishing Simon gets imprisoned and raped is just disgusting of you.
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April 20, 2013, 03:28:53 AM
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i deposited bitcoin, never sold bitcoin, can't withdraw bitcoin. No bank was ever involved.

Yet somehow the banks are to blame and simon is jesus 2.0. Love the seized hardware rumour he's putting out so he can hold onto people's bitcoin. He can update his website but can't return bitcoin. hmmm

I'm 'lucky' in that I only deposited a small amount of bitcoin. Still annoying and hope he gets raped in prison.

I understand you are angry. And it's justified to feel angry. However, wishing Simon gets imprisoned and raped is just disgusting of you.
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...is there some better way to do "plus one" replies?

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i deposited bitcoin, never sold bitcoin, can't withdraw bitcoin. No bank was ever involved.

Yet somehow the banks are to blame and simon is jesus 2.0. Love the seized hardware rumour he's putting out so he can hold onto people's bitcoin. He can update his website but can't return bitcoin. hmmm

I'm 'lucky' in that I only deposited a small amount of bitcoin. Still annoying and hope he gets raped in prison.

I understand you are angry. And it's justified to feel angry. However, wishing Simon gets imprisoned and raped is just disgusting of you.
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...is there some better way to do "plus one" replies?


+1

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+1 (x2) I think we need a system to rate posts here, and I agree wishing Simon gets imprisoned and raped is just disgusting.

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April 20, 2013, 04:13:40 AM
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The authorities closed Simon's little money laundering, ... Imagine all the money laundering after a successful phishing.

You say that like money laundering is a bad thing.  Huh
I think there are a lot of people interested in bitcoin who still fall prey to state propaganda.

Folks, entertain the theory that any good business that respects the privacy of its customers qualifies as an open door to "money laundering".

+1 from me Smiley

I liked very much that Simon did not do the whole identity/NYC thing.

I knew that was risky of him though.

But now I realize it was risky of me :/

Still I'm not 100% convinced that is what brought it down since mtgox and bitfloor also had their accounts closed, even with NYC if I understand correctly.

But, yeah, here it seems worse, not just closed account but frozen.

The cash withdrawals weren't wise of him to do as it makes you 'suspicious', but I do that too with my bank.

Makes me realize I need to become a lot more careful. When dealing with exchanges, and when dealing with my bank.

This certainly has been a lesson for me. Not sure if I will ever cash out bitcoins again.
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April 20, 2013, 08:36:13 AM
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From a victim of "misunderstanding" regarding money laundering, Simon now turned into a scammer of almost 30k btc. He could've done at least some symbolic steps to show his intention of returning the btc, such as opening a page showing account balances and the possibility of his customers to initiate a withdrawal request, even if only to keep records of it.

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