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April 30, 2018, 10:36:39 AM
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Newbie question, but maybe someone can explain why one would choose to run NemosMiner vs: NiceHash?  What is the advantage to run NemosMiner compared to NiceHash?  I'm running only 1080ti's if that makes any difference.
I like:
  • being able to choose between pools
  • ability to select a custom miner for an algo
  • not having additional fees for using own wallet
  • it works well with the monitoring service I use
And I still don't have full trust in NH after the NiceHack.

Generally NEMOS on a good pool is also more profitable than NH as NH is a hash market and not *really* a pool per-se.

The appeal of NH is that it is super easy to use and typically very consistent.

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April 30, 2018, 11:06:14 AM
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Newbie question, but maybe someone can explain why one would choose to run NemosMiner vs: NiceHash?  What is the advantage to run NemosMiner compared to NiceHash?  I'm running only 1080ti's if that makes any difference.
I like:
  • being able to choose between pools
  • ability to select a custom miner for an algo
  • not having additional fees for using own wallet
  • it works well with the monitoring service I use
And I still don't have full trust in NH after the NiceHack.

Hi,

which Monitoring Service are you using ?
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April 30, 2018, 04:24:25 PM
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How many do you earn per 1080 ti per day? Thx
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April 30, 2018, 10:51:15 PM
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So... I have a setup of ~230 GPUs for multi-pool use (my AMD cards are on Monero) -- 1050Ti, 1060s, 1070s, 1070Ti, 1080, 1080Ti... heaviest on 1060s. I manage my friends 60x 1080Ti setup. I generally do 2x what he does per day. I am using his as a test bed... BlazePool on "actual estimate" vs my stuff on ZERG "PLUS logic" -- today... his setup matched mine.

That is staggering... IMHO... I converted ~30 of my cards to Blaze today. The rest to follow.

I was blown away... so figured I would share.

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May 01, 2018, 05:10:54 AM
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Newbie question, but maybe someone can explain why one would choose to run NemosMiner vs: NiceHash?  What is the advantage to run NemosMiner compared to NiceHash?  I'm running only 1080ti's if that makes any difference.
I like:
  • being able to choose between pools
  • ability to select a custom miner for an algo
  • not having additional fees for using own wallet
  • it works well with the monitoring service I use
And I still don't have full trust in NH after the NiceHack.

Hi,

which Monitoring Service are you using ?

Hi @Sackl I use https://ethmonitoring.com/
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May 01, 2018, 02:31:54 PM
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Hello, everyone is my first post in Nemos miner, I have spent some time using it and comparing it with other programs, in the end I like nemosminer more, I control it and I understand it quite well.

I have a small dilemma, I am mining 6 different protocols in 3 pools, ahashpool, zergpool and zpool, and I have a very simple problem.

I know that the system chooses the most profitable protocol at the moment, and that does it quite well, but where I do not see what happens is in the pool.

For me it is not the same as going to a pool that has 3ghs of mined in x17 than going to another pool that has 40ghs of mined in x17, and it is right here where it fails and where there should be an option.

I think that for me and for the vast majority, when the program says that we have to undermine a protocol, always choose the pool with more HASH in that protocol.

While I'm writing these lines, I'm doing it, it's being mined x16r in ahashpool with just 3 ghs but in zergpool there are more than 30ghs of hash. I want the time that this mine participates in more blocks possible.

I can understand that sometimes it does not work, but it is almost always when you choose a pool that is not the most hash.

Consider Nemos to put some option for this ?. IF I already have chosen my 6 protodolos and the 3 pools with more people, and doing well the choice of protocol, it only remains that it guesses with the pool that more hash in that protocol.

What is the use that I enter with 4 rigs and more than 300 mhs in x17 if it suddenly takes me to the pool of less hash ... I want to go to the one that hash the most of x17 of the 3

I hope that my problem is understood and that it can be taken into account for some new option in the GUI
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May 01, 2018, 04:36:16 PM
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can you please add Starpool in it. it would be great.
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May 01, 2018, 04:37:46 PM
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Hello, everyone is my first post in Nemos miner, I have spent some time using it and comparing it with other programs, in the end I like nemosminer more, I control it and I understand it quite well.

I have a small dilemma, I am mining 6 different protocols in 3 pools, ahashpool, zergpool and zpool, and I have a very simple problem.

I know that the system chooses the most profitable protocol at the moment, and that does it quite well, but where I do not see what happens is in the pool.

For me it is not the same as going to a pool that has 3ghs of mined in x17 than going to another pool that has 40ghs of mined in x17, and it is right here where it fails and where there should be an option.

I think that for me and for the vast majority, when the program says that we have to undermine a protocol, always choose the pool with more HASH in that protocol.

While I'm writing these lines, I'm doing it, it's being mined x16r in ahashpool with just 3 ghs but in zergpool there are more than 30ghs of hash. I want the time that this mine participates in more blocks possible.

I can understand that sometimes it does not work, but it is almost always when you choose a pool that is not the most hash.

Consider Nemos to put some option for this ?. IF I already have chosen my 6 protodolos and the 3 pools with more people, and doing well the choice of protocol, it only remains that it guesses with the pool that more hash in that protocol.

What is the use that I enter with 4 rigs and more than 300 mhs in x17 if it suddenly takes me to the pool of less hash ... I want to go to the one that hash the most of x17 of the 3

I hope that my problem is understood and that it can be taken into account for some new option in the GUI

I've been working with the x16r algorithm at Blazepool for 4 hours today.
Blazepool reward = 0.
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May 01, 2018, 04:56:06 PM
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So... I have a setup of ~230 GPUs for multi-pool use (my AMD cards are on Monero) -- 1050Ti, 1060s, 1070s, 1070Ti, 1080, 1080Ti... heaviest on 1060s. I manage my friends 60x 1080Ti setup. I generally do 2x what he does per day. I am using his as a test bed... BlazePool on "actual estimate" vs my stuff on ZERG "PLUS logic" -- today... his setup matched mine.

That is staggering... IMHO... I converted ~30 of my cards to Blaze today. The rest to follow.

I was blown away... so figured I would share.
Zergpool itself is pretty terrible. I ran a bunch of identical machines concurrent across Ahashpool, Blazepool, Zergpool, and Zpool for about a week. Blazepool won by a large margin, and I've been relying on it as a primary for months now, with Zpool & MPH as failovers incase Blaze drops connectivity.

Zergpools actual payouts were nowhere near what Nemos could guesstimate. Something about how Zergpool provides is API data is very slow compared to the other pools, it uses stale exchange pricing or something, IIRC.
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May 01, 2018, 06:46:27 PM
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So... I have a setup of ~230 GPUs for multi-pool use (my AMD cards are on Monero) -- 1050Ti, 1060s, 1070s, 1070Ti, 1080, 1080Ti... heaviest on 1060s. I manage my friends 60x 1080Ti setup. I generally do 2x what he does per day. I am using his as a test bed... BlazePool on "actual estimate" vs my stuff on ZERG "PLUS logic" -- today... his setup matched mine.

That is staggering... IMHO... I converted ~30 of my cards to Blaze today. The rest to follow.

I was blown away... so figured I would share.
Zergpool itself is pretty terrible. I ran a bunch of identical machines concurrent across Ahashpool, Blazepool, Zergpool, and Zpool for about a week. Blazepool won by a large margin, and I've been relying on it as a primary for months now, with Zpool & MPH as failovers incase Blaze drops connectivity.

Zergpools actual payouts were nowhere near what Nemos could guesstimate. Something about how Zergpool provides is API data is very slow compared to the other pools, it uses stale exchange pricing or something, IIRC.

in blazepool there are only miners in 3 protocols, the rest are without miners, they lack power. If only mine in Blazepool is constantly undermining those 3 protocols.

I just want to mine in the one that has more HASH, because I have power and I will participate in more blocks as the combined hash is higher
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May 01, 2018, 07:47:16 PM
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So... I have a setup of ~230 GPUs for multi-pool use (my AMD cards are on Monero) -- 1050Ti, 1060s, 1070s, 1070Ti, 1080, 1080Ti... heaviest on 1060s. I manage my friends 60x 1080Ti setup. I generally do 2x what he does per day. I am using his as a test bed... BlazePool on "actual estimate" vs my stuff on ZERG "PLUS logic" -- today... his setup matched mine.

That is staggering... IMHO... I converted ~30 of my cards to Blaze today. The rest to follow.

I was blown away... so figured I would share.
Zergpool itself is pretty terrible. I ran a bunch of identical machines concurrent across Ahashpool, Blazepool, Zergpool, and Zpool for about a week. Blazepool won by a large margin, and I've been relying on it as a primary for months now, with Zpool & MPH as failovers incase Blaze drops connectivity.

Zergpools actual payouts were nowhere near what Nemos could guesstimate. Something about how Zergpool provides is API data is very slow compared to the other pools, it uses stale exchange pricing or something, IIRC.

in blazepool there are only miners in 3 protocols, the rest are without miners, they lack power. If only mine in Blazepool is constantly undermining those 3 protocols.

I just want to mine in the one that has more HASH, because I have power and I will participate in more blocks as the combined hash is higher

What I have noticed with Blaze, though, is that the top 3 or 4 change often -- and most miners are set to follow the same plan (current estimate) -- so it ends up working out. I've sat and watched as, for example, my miners flip to C11 then shortly after it becomes the top algo.

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May 02, 2018, 07:59:30 AM
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@jimmykl Thank you Smiley

What Algo are you using on Blazepool ?

Standard or Plus or both of them ?
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May 02, 2018, 08:28:07 AM
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So... I have a setup of ~230 GPUs for multi-pool use (my AMD cards are on Monero) -- 1050Ti, 1060s, 1070s, 1070Ti, 1080, 1080Ti... heaviest on 1060s. I manage my friends 60x 1080Ti setup. I generally do 2x what he does per day. I am using his as a test bed... BlazePool on "actual estimate" vs my stuff on ZERG "PLUS logic" -- today... his setup matched mine.

That is staggering... IMHO... I converted ~30 of my cards to Blaze today. The rest to follow.

I was blown away... so figured I would share.
Zergpool itself is pretty terrible. I ran a bunch of identical machines concurrent across Ahashpool, Blazepool, Zergpool, and Zpool for about a week. Blazepool won by a large margin, and I've been relying on it as a primary for months now, with Zpool & MPH as failovers incase Blaze drops connectivity.

Zergpools actual payouts were nowhere near what Nemos could guesstimate. Something about how Zergpool provides is API data is very slow compared to the other pools, it uses stale exchange pricing or something, IIRC.
Which algo are you using on blazepool ?
I was using this pool, version Plus with nemosminer, and got terrible results. I was mining on algo without enough miner to find blocks... hours without any results...
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May 02, 2018, 08:42:23 AM
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Zergpool itself is pretty terrible. I ran a bunch of identical machines concurrent across Ahashpool, Blazepool, Zergpool, and Zpool for about a week. Blazepool won by a large margin, and I've been relying on it as a primary for months now, with Zpool & MPH as failovers incase Blaze drops connectivity.

Zergpools actual payouts were nowhere near what Nemos could guesstimate. Something about how Zergpool provides is API data is very slow compared to the other pools, it uses stale exchange pricing or something, IIRC.


Please include HashRefinery if you ever do a test again.
Thanks for sharing the results! Smiley
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May 02, 2018, 08:45:01 AM
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@jimmykl Thank you Smiley

What Algo are you using on Blazepool ?

Standard or Plus or both of them ?

I'm using ahashpool plus. Not chosen through testing or anything it has just been the most reliable and provides consistent results.
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May 02, 2018, 09:33:33 AM
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Last week, I did a long term test of only "plus" logic of blazepool/zergpool/zpool - all evelauated only by cheking reward in wallet (not nemos estimate, which is very inacurate)

Blazepool - was usually just mining 1 algo with terrible reward.
Zergpool - was swaping algos well, but reward was small
Zpool - swaping algos, best reward for my setup

you guys with good result on blazepool, i suppose you are using "normal" pool settings, right?
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Last week, I did a long term test of only "plus" logic of blazepool/zergpool/zpool - all evelauated only by cheking reward in wallet (not nemos estimate, which is very inacurate)

Blazepool - was usually just mining 1 algo with terrible reward.
Zergpool - was swaping algos well, but reward was small
Zpool - swaping algos, best reward for my setup

you guys with good result on blazepool, i suppose you are using "normal" pool settings, right?

Show something data from your tests, looks like Zergpool rewards are lowering.. always using plus mode from nemos.

This is an average i got after processing my balances each 12 hours:
First half of march i got 0.00057 BTC/day*
On last half of march i got 0.00052 BTC/day
On april my average earnings per day were 0.00046/day

*Even disabling one GPU 2~3 hours at day for gaming/videos (2 1080ti 65%PL)

After that, Nemos states this on status from Zergpool:

Code:
   Type: NVIDIA

Miner                  Algorithm       Speed mBTC/Day BTC/Day USD/Day BTC/GH/Da
                                                                              y
-----                  ---------       ----- -------- ------- ------- ---------
ccminerAlexis78        C11        51.93 MH/s    0.899 0.00090   8.629   0.01731
ccminerPoolparty       X16r       33.40 MH/s    0.885 0.00089   8.495   0.02650
enemyzealot1.08        X16r       33.13 MH/s    0.878 0.00088   8.426   0.02650
ccminerRaven           X16r       31.16 MH/s    0.826 0.00083   7.924   0.02650
ccminerenemy1.03       X17        35.50 MH/s    0.800 0.00080   7.677   0.02253
ccminerAlexis78        X17        34.54 MH/s    0.778 0.00078   7.469   0.02253
ccminerAlexis78        Skein       1.71 GH/s    0.699 0.00070   6.710   0.00041
ccminerKlausT          C11        39.82 MH/s    0.689 0.00069   6.617   0.01731
ccminerSp              Skein       1.68 GH/s    0.684 0.00068   6.566   0.00041
ccminerAlexis78phi     Phi        62.59 MH/s    0.663 0.00066   6.363   0.01059
ccminerAlexis78        Hsr        36.37 MH/s    0.589 0.00059   5.657   0.01620
ccminerAlexis78        Lyra2RE2  129.20 MH/s    0.520 0.00052   4.993   0.00403
ccminerNanashi         Lyra2RE2  123.25 MH/s    0.496 0.00050   4.763   0.00403
ccminerTpruvotskunk    Skunk      84.07 MH/s    0.490 0.00049   4.705   0.00583
ccminerAlexis78xevan   Xevan      10.27 MH/s    0.475 0.00047   4.558   0.04623
ccminerTpruvotx64      Lyra2z      6.26 MH/s    0.475 0.00047   4.555   0.07575
enemyzealot1.08        X16s       33.37 MH/s    0.399 0.00040   3.834   0.01197
ccminerTpruvotcuda9    Bitcore    45.46 MH/s    0.398 0.00040   3.821   0.00876
ccminerSuprminer       X16s       31.62 MH/s    0.378 0.00038   3.633   0.01197
ccminerTpruvotx64      Tribus    182.12 MH/s    0.363 0.00036   3.489   0.00200
ccminerKlausT          NeoScrypt   2.50 MH/s    0.338 0.00034   3.244   0.13513
ccminerAlexis78keccakc Keccakc     2.38 GH/s    0.101 0.00010   0.973   0.00004
ccminerAlexis78        Nist5     140.74 MH/s    0.026 0.00003   0.249   0.00018
ccminerAlexis78        Sib        39.81 MH/s    0.000 0.00000   0.000   0.00000

As you can see, there is no way im earning even 4 USD/day...
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May 04, 2018, 09:14:27 AM
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Last week, I did a long term test of only "plus" logic of blazepool/zergpool/zpool - all evelauated only by cheking reward in wallet (not nemos estimate, which is very inacurate)

Blazepool - was usually just mining 1 algo with terrible reward.
Zergpool - was swaping algos well, but reward was small
Zpool - swaping algos, best reward for my setup

you guys with good result on blazepool, i suppose you are using "normal" pool settings, right?

Show something data from your tests, looks like Zergpool rewards are lowering.. always using plus mode from nemos.

This is an average i got after processing my balances each 12 hours:
First half of march i got 0.00057 BTC/day*
On last half of march i got 0.00052 BTC/day
On april my average earnings per day were 0.00046/day

*Even disabling one GPU 2~3 hours at day for gaming/videos (2 1080ti 65%PL)

After that, Nemos states this on status from Zergpool:

Code:
   Type: NVIDIA

Miner                  Algorithm       Speed mBTC/Day BTC/Day USD/Day BTC/GH/Da
                                                                              y
-----                  ---------       ----- -------- ------- ------- ---------
ccminerAlexis78        C11        51.93 MH/s    0.899 0.00090   8.629   0.01731
ccminerPoolparty       X16r       33.40 MH/s    0.885 0.00089   8.495   0.02650
enemyzealot1.08        X16r       33.13 MH/s    0.878 0.00088   8.426   0.02650
ccminerRaven           X16r       31.16 MH/s    0.826 0.00083   7.924   0.02650
ccminerenemy1.03       X17        35.50 MH/s    0.800 0.00080   7.677   0.02253
ccminerAlexis78        X17        34.54 MH/s    0.778 0.00078   7.469   0.02253
ccminerAlexis78        Skein       1.71 GH/s    0.699 0.00070   6.710   0.00041
ccminerKlausT          C11        39.82 MH/s    0.689 0.00069   6.617   0.01731
ccminerSp              Skein       1.68 GH/s    0.684 0.00068   6.566   0.00041
ccminerAlexis78phi     Phi        62.59 MH/s    0.663 0.00066   6.363   0.01059
ccminerAlexis78        Hsr        36.37 MH/s    0.589 0.00059   5.657   0.01620
ccminerAlexis78        Lyra2RE2  129.20 MH/s    0.520 0.00052   4.993   0.00403
ccminerNanashi         Lyra2RE2  123.25 MH/s    0.496 0.00050   4.763   0.00403
ccminerTpruvotskunk    Skunk      84.07 MH/s    0.490 0.00049   4.705   0.00583
ccminerAlexis78xevan   Xevan      10.27 MH/s    0.475 0.00047   4.558   0.04623
ccminerTpruvotx64      Lyra2z      6.26 MH/s    0.475 0.00047   4.555   0.07575
enemyzealot1.08        X16s       33.37 MH/s    0.399 0.00040   3.834   0.01197
ccminerTpruvotcuda9    Bitcore    45.46 MH/s    0.398 0.00040   3.821   0.00876
ccminerSuprminer       X16s       31.62 MH/s    0.378 0.00038   3.633   0.01197
ccminerTpruvotx64      Tribus    182.12 MH/s    0.363 0.00036   3.489   0.00200
ccminerKlausT          NeoScrypt   2.50 MH/s    0.338 0.00034   3.244   0.13513
ccminerAlexis78keccakc Keccakc     2.38 GH/s    0.101 0.00010   0.973   0.00004
ccminerAlexis78        Nist5     140.74 MH/s    0.026 0.00003   0.249   0.00018
ccminerAlexis78        Sib        39.81 MH/s    0.000 0.00000   0.000   0.00000

As you can see, there is no way im earning even 4 USD/day...

i also do some tests recently for over 5 days, and actual earnings is around 2 times less than predicted.
rechecking my rigs twice or even more often per hour, and I`ve never seen less than 0.0008 btc/day prediction, usually it`s 0.001 BTC/day or slighlty more, but actual earnings are twice less.
now i have to mine with nemos for min payouts, but something is definately wrong

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May 04, 2018, 02:35:16 PM
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hi,

We've added another new algo, x16r for Ravencoin.

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May 04, 2018, 10:42:49 PM
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Last week, I did a long term test of only "plus" logic of blazepool/zergpool/zpool - all evelauated only by cheking reward in wallet (not nemos estimate, which is very inacurate)

Blazepool - was usually just mining 1 algo with terrible reward.
Zergpool - was swaping algos well, but reward was small
Zpool - swaping algos, best reward for my setup

you guys with good result on blazepool, i suppose you are using "normal" pool settings, right?

Show something data from your tests, looks like Zergpool rewards are lowering.. always using plus mode from nemos.


It is hard to show some datas, because I was measuring balance difference on wallet / time, but on avarage, from 14x1080ti...One piece is around 0,000275 BTC/day...roughly 2,5 USD what is like 60-50% of what I can do on solo coin mining ATM.
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