Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[Holliday]

I can confirm that I also had two posts discussing segwit deleted from this thread on the 25th.  I wasn't even discouraging it, just trying to explain some of the opinions I've heard over on that other forum.  We will never be able to reach consensus if discussion is not allowed.

So what? I've had just as many posts, speaking out against big blocks, deleted from this thread. It has nothing to do with big/small blocks and everything to do with being off-topic. Pretty much all of my posts that have received moderation over the years come from the wall observer thread. It's nothing new.

I know when I'm posting off topic, but sometimes I just can't help myself.

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[Lauda]

Yet, all of the anti-semitic hate speech is just fine.

I can not keep track of each such post, which is off-topic here (but not against the rules AFAIK). I have also reported at least 1 person for constantly posting off-topic replies in regards to that. However, I can not issue bans for higher ranking members so this is not up to me. You can complain about individuals to certain global moderators (e.g. hilariousandco) and the administrators (Cyrus is your best call).

I just don't understand how the issues surrounding the scalability of bitcoin are off topic, particularly in this lounge-esque thread.

Read:


If you want to discuss Segwit or other technical stuff, then 'Bitcoin Discussion' is more appropriate for this kind of discussion (other sections may be as well, but the thread would be moved to the right one in that case). Also keep in mind that I can not keep reading all of the posts made here, thus please use the report function.

So what? I've had just as many posts, speaking out against big blocks, deleted from this thread. It has nothing to do with big/small blocks and everything to do with being off-topic. Pretty much all of my posts that have received moderation over the years come from the wall observer thread. It's nothing new.

I have tried to keep an equal and impartial moderation stance (regardless of my views) as much as possible. Keep in mind that I'm not the only moderator who can delete posts here (before someone jumps to any conclusion with specific examples).
Discussing the price effect of either Segwit/BU/other would be on-topic, although it would likely also spiral into off-topic really quickly.

[Holliday]

So what? I've had just as many posts, speaking out against big blocks, deleted from this thread. It has nothing to do with big/small blocks and everything to do with being off-topic. Pretty much all of my posts that have received moderation over the years come from the wall observer thread. It's nothing new.

I have tried to keep an equal and impartial moderation stance (regardless of my views) as much as possible. Keep in mind that I'm not the only moderator who can delete posts here (before someone jumps to any conclusion with specific examples).

I'm not complaining. Like I said, I know I'm posting off-topic. I just can't help it sometimes (especially in this thread).

[notme]

Read:


If you want to discuss Segwit or other technical stuff, then 'Bitcoin Discussion' is more appropriate for this kind of discussion (other sections may be as well, but the thread would be moved to the right one in that case). Also keep in mind that I can not keep reading all of the posts made here, thus please use the report function.

I disagree that bitcoin price exists as an isolated thing.  Sure, TA and chart patterns have an influence, but fundamentals matter as well.  Sentiment regarding different scaling solutions effects general market sentiment.  Additionally, censoring such discussion only contributes to the myth that moderators here are unfairly targeting big blockers.

[kurious]

I can confirm that I also had two posts discussing segwit deleted from this thread on the 25th.  I wasn't even discouraging it, just trying to explain some of the opinions I've heard over on that other forum.  We will never be able to reach consensus if discussion is not allowed.

How about you start actually following the forum rules? You're discussing solutions on a technical basis which has nothing to do with this thread, nor this section (you should try to remain on-topic whenever possible, even when just posting images). I have tried keeping such discussion, regardless of whether positive or negative, and Segwit/BU/whatever out of this thread. At times, this thread feels like kindergarten.
Regarding the poll: I have removed it as it was really outdated. There is no way to add one as a moderator AFAIK (which is unfortunate since OP's account is inactive). I'll talk to the administrators to see whether there are any options to get this rolling.

Forgive me if I misunderstand, but may I ask why discussion of Segwit is not allowed?

Surely it does affect the future price of Bitcoin, which is a topic that I would have thought falls within the bounds of the 'price movement tracking & discussion' contained in the title of this thread.

[Lauda]

I disagree that bitcoin price exists as an isolated thing.  Sure, TA and chart patterns have an influence, but fundamentals matter as well.  Sentiment regarding different scaling solutions effects general market sentiment.

Did I say it was an isolated thing? I have not. Discussing the technical aspects of certain solutions has zero business being in this section. If you have a problem with the way that sections are set up or with the forum rules, then you are complaining in the wrong place. This thread is not a chat-box, and you can't post whatever you want, wherever you want it. This applies forum-wide.

Additionally, censoring such discussion only contributes to the myth that moderators here are unfairly targeting big blockers.

As confirmed by Holliday, both sides get deleted because they are off-topic (not because of the content).

Forgive me if I misunderstand, but may I ask why discussion of Segwit is not allowed?

Surely it does affect the future price of Bitcoin, which is a topic that I would have thought falls within the bounds of the 'price movement tracking & discussion' contained in the title of this thread.

Read the small update here:

Discussing the price effect of either Segwit/BU/other would be on-topic, although it would likely also spiral into off-topic really quickly.

These posts would remain and hopefully not go sideaways too much.

[notme]

So what? I've had just as many posts, speaking out against big blocks, deleted from this thread. It has nothing to do with big/small blocks and everything to do with being off-topic. Pretty much all of my posts that have received moderation over the years come from the wall observer thread. It's nothing new.

I have tried to keep an equal and impartial moderation stance (regardless of my views) as much as possible. Keep in mind that I'm not the only moderator who can delete posts here (before someone jumps to any conclusion with specific examples).

I'm not complaining. Like I said, I know I'm posting off-topic. I just can't help it sometimes (especially in this thread).

That's just it.  There used to be nothing off topic here.  It was a lounge.  That atmosphere has been killed and now it is a much less enjoyable thread to participate in.  Intelligent discourse has died off and we are left with trolling and people spreading FUD.

I will admit that bitcointalk has grown quite a bit over time and maybe that is most of the problem since you have to keep a much larger herd from stampeding.  But it just sucks that this place is nothing like it was a few years ago.  I really liked that place.

[yefi]

This thread is not a chat-box

But think of the time you could save yourself every day from having to moderate >320,000 posts? 

[bitebits]

Additionally, censoring such discussion only contributes to the myth that moderators here are unfairly targeting big blockers.

As confirmed by Holliday, both sides get deleted because they are off-topic (not because of the content).

When you delete a post, you should state why it has been deleted to the respective poster.

Currently messages are just being deleted, no reason given. If someone talks here about bigger blocks or Segwit disadvantages, and the message is deleted without a reason given, what do you think the poster's opinion about censoring certain subjects will be?

[Lauda]

But think of the time you could save yourself every day from having to moderate >320,000 posts?  

True. However, keep in mind that:
1) I wouldn't be doing my 'job' then.
2) If I close an eye on 1 thread, the only fair/equal action is to do the same for all threads. Suddenly you get people talking everywhere about everything.

This cat can handle it for now (mostly posts that were created after I started moderating here though).

When you delete a post, you should state why it has been deleted to the respective poster.

That's just not feasible and not how things currently work. You get an automated response which tells you that it's likely an off-topic post.
I do miss the train/rocket pictures. You need to step up your game!

[bitebits]

I do miss the train/rocket pictures. You need to step up your game!

No Chinese fireworks yet

[Fatman3001]

Hi ya bunch of nutters!

You ready to get rich (or richer)?

I mean proper lambie rich (so you can spend the rest of your life trolling the interwebz) ?

Where have you been buddy, I've missed you a lot, long time since I've seen you.

Are you fine ?

Extremely happy to see you back

Just got tired of the JJG thread.

Also it's tough to see so many of the people I thought highly of fail so hard at applying their thinkers properly.

But I'm looking forward to posting lots of train pics and gifs when the price starts getting properly nutty.

[Fakhoury]

Hi ya bunch of nutters!

You ready to get rich (or richer)?

I mean proper lambie rich (so you can spend the rest of your life trolling the interwebz) ?

Where have you been buddy, I've missed you a lot, long time since I've seen you.

Are you fine ?

Extremely happy to see you back

Just got tired of the JJG thread.

Also it's tough to see so many of the people I thought highly of fail so hard at applying their thinkers properly.

But I'm looking forward to posting lots of train pics and gifs when the price starts getting properly nutty.

JJG is talkative I know, but I like him and get used to him 

I've seen that you've stated that JJG is Lambie before, hope you was kidding, no ?

Beside trains pics and gifs, I (we) miss our regular posts buddy, keep them rollin' please.

[Fatman3001]

Oh, and all my posts were deleted

that sure didn't help

I bet this will be deleted too

Ordnung Muss Sein in Bitcoinland

Anarchism as conformity

[spiderbrain]

Yet, all of the anti-semitic hate speech is just fine.

Ha! Oh yes, exactly this =D

[Meuh6879]

No Chinese fireworks yet

Venezuela, Brazil and India (+Philippines) are in the background ... for all of the 2017 year.



Yes, we can ... supply the world.

[gentlemand]

Yet, all of the anti-semitic hate speech is just fine.

Ha! Oh yes, exactly this =D

Spewing hatred regarding Yiddishers is one of the vibrant pillars of this forum. Weirdly enough, if I remember rightly quite a few of my deletions relate to calling people out for this. Dunno if the initial anti-semites got their botty's smacked.

[ssmc2]

I do miss the train/rocket pictures. You need to step up your game!

No Chinese fireworks yet

Wait for iiiiiiiit

[Morecoin Freeman]

Hey you guys! I'm joining in on this as well. I can't miss out on our little celebration at $800.

[sirazimuth]

I do miss the train/rocket pictures. You need to step up your game!

No Chinese fireworks yet

Ha!! frikkin awesome gif m8! . I loved makin those when I was a kid!
I'll be sure to fire off a few of those bad boys if when we hit $800