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December 10, 2016, 06:48:29 PM

r0ach is legendary now? Abandon ship   Cheesy
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December 10, 2016, 07:11:39 PM

i want to go on a bit of a rant.
its not price related but here's the chart anyway.

what would be best for bitcoin right now is unity.image core devs and bu devs and Gavin! coming out of the wood work all collaborating to give us segwit + free market BlockSize. that IMO is gold. that will yield small reasonable blocks size increases along side a LN network cooking to perfection. this outcome would yield 32,000$ a coin.. admit it. fight for this outcome. run a BU client if for no other reason as to express your desire for more diversified set of bitcoin BIPs on the table at any one time.
anyway you look at it bitcoin is a buy right now, if it go segwit if it goes bu if it dose both in short order and then some.
time is now.
buy.


Nope. Having no restriction on a size of a block chain is suicide! If core goes full retard and actually try that i'm shorting BTC getting some popcorn and will watch that dumb ass idea collapse on itself in fireworks.

But don't let that discourage you. You go ahead and keep on shilling, BTW i like the rebranding from unlimited blocks to "free market BlockSize" how about "BestFlexibleBlocksThatSaveChildrenAndEndWars BlockSize"TM  Grin you too funny, but you try too hard

Allowing block size to be determined by emergent consensus is not the same as no restriction.  There are some issues surrounding the security implications of having potential time periods where multiple chains are competing because one has a block bigger than a large segment of miners will accept immediately.  But to portray it as no restriction on block size just shows how little you understand about the BU proposal.
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December 10, 2016, 07:25:13 PM

r0ach is legendary now? Abandon ship   Cheesy


I find him entertaining...  Cheesy Cheesy ...  When the 5th Reich emerges, he will probably have his own battalion. So... I guess you should get in his good graces today and cash in your investment when the day comes!  Roll Eyes
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December 10, 2016, 08:02:45 PM

They already have all loosed in Bitfinex ...  Grin


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December 10, 2016, 08:16:57 PM

The ECB has refused the Monte Dei Paschi Di Siena bank extra time to raise money to avoid bankruptcy. That means the bank will have to be bailed-in with some of its own depositors money before the Italian government can give it any bailout money. The EU rules won't let a state bail out a bank before its had a bail-in. A bank bail-in will be bullish for Bitcoin, and it's on the cards.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2016/12/09/monte-dei-paschi-the-agony-of-italys-oldest-bank/#41693e027436

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Trading in the shares of Monte Dei Paschi Di Siena (MPS) was suspended today when the share price tumbled on news that the ECB had refused to give the bank an additional five weeks to raise 5bn euros in new capital. Government bailout is almost certain now.
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December 11, 2016, 02:41:50 PM

The ECB has refused the Monte Dei Paschi Di Siena bank extra time to raise money to avoid bankruptcy. That means the bank will have to be bailed-in with some of its own depositors money before the Italian government can give it any bailout money. The EU rules won't let a state bail out a bank before its had a bail-in. A bank bail-in will be bullish for Bitcoin, and it's on the cards.

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Trading in the shares of Monte Dei Paschi Di Siena (MPS) was suspended today when the share price tumbled on news that the ECB had refused to give the bank an additional five weeks to raise 5bn euros in new capital. Government bailout is almost certain now.
Many Italian banks are so connected to the Monte Dei Paschi Di Siena (MPS): if this one falls other may follow. Consider that after the Referendum Italy is waiting for a new government. If I was Italian I'd be very worried right now
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December 11, 2016, 03:22:06 PM

I used to be a big proponent of gold and silver but I don't see them going to those valuations.
Crypto currencies are the future.
Unless we will see another exchange hack or some other shit news will cause bitcoin price to go down by 50%.
With gold or silver you don't have to worry that gold exchange could be hacked.
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December 11, 2016, 03:24:45 PM

I used to be a big proponent of gold and silver but I don't see them going to those valuations.
Crypto currencies are the future.
Unless we will see another exchange hack or some other shit news will cause bitcoin price to go down by 50%.
With gold or silver you don't have to worry that gold exchange could be hacked, because the gold derivative price is fixed by colluding bank cartels and the underlying physical gold isn't there any longer anyway. The whole PMs market is one giant, global Ponzi scam.

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December 11, 2016, 03:29:38 PM

FTFY

Anyone with operating sensory organs knows that the gold market is rigged and largely fictional. As long as you can continue to draw money out of it then everyone will continue collectively playing along just like all the other financial systems.
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December 11, 2016, 04:47:59 PM

They already have all loosed in Bitfinex ...  Grin


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December 11, 2016, 05:09:32 PM

because the gold derivative price is fixed by colluding bank cartels and the underlying physical gold isn't there any longer anyway. The whole PMs market is one giant, global Ponzi scam.

The death of the dollar is set in stone now with what's happening in the bond markets.  No foreign countries want worthless US debt paper at all anymore.  They're not only not buying it, they're also dumping the ones they already have.  When the debt market has no buyers, the interest rates skyrocket, then the price to service the debt exceeds what can be paid and the debt is defaulted on.  Or they can just print and buy their own bonds, monetizing the debt and end in hyperinflation.

Regardless of how it plays out, the end is drawing near for the dollar and metals are going to the moon soon.  There might be a deflationary crash as all the debts are defaulted on that takes the price of everything down, but there's no way I'm sitting on the sidelines with worthless fiat waiting to buy that when there will be bank holidays and capital controls when it happens preventing you from doing anything.  

There may also be a surprise new Bretton Woods that comes out of nowhere where they just revalue gold at $10,000 - $20,000 overnight.  Having 0 metals or sitting on the sideline waiting for a deflationary crash to buy isn't a very good idea.  I use metals as a savings account (specifically silver) and Bitcoin as a checking account because there is no way possible Bitcoin is lower on Exter's inverse pyramid than gold and silver are:



It is also pointless to buy gold over silver right now:

If every millionaire hedged 1% of their wealth into Bitcoin, the price would be around $8000 per coin fully liquid, fully capitalized.  But markets aren't fully liquid, so the price per coin would be something like 10x that at maybe $80,000 per coin.  So a +100x from current price.

Now, looking at metals instead, if they do a new Bretton Woods, they would take gold to at least $20,000 at the 40% historical backing rate.  The GSR (gold to silver ratio) would spike somewhere between 15:1 to 30:1 off that, putting silver anywhere from $666-$1333.  That is a +39 to +78x.  As you can see, the upside on silver for wealth transferrence is basically the same as Bitcoin while otherwise having far less risk attributes.  

Gold and silver move at something like 0.85 correlation and it's much easier to move the silver market than gold.  Whatever happens to gold, silver is coming along for the ride.  You've seen how easy it is to move the Bitcoin market and the silver market cap is barely even larger than BTC.

People who are familiar with metals also tend to completely ignore gold and buy only silver when the GSR is over 50:1, then dump silver for gold when the GSR is 30:1 or lower.  If the price of gold spiked to some insane number and the silver price had not caught up, everyone and their mom will immediately dump gold to buy the undervalued silver.  There is no viable situation in the universe where the price of gold skyrockets and silver doesn't.

For actual market analysts and traders, the GSR charts have a hard triple top right under a hard double top, indicating there is nowhere for the value of silver to go except up in relation to gold and that it will likely return to 30:1 or lower in the near future:



After it breaks into the 20's:1 area, that's when people will start dumping silver for gold and it reverses to start the cycle all over again.

If we have a deflationary crash rather than hyperinflation, the DOW floor is around 6000.  The historical DOW to gold ratio seems to trend to around 3-5:1, so even in a deflationary crash the value of gold can still go to $2000, which would probably take silver to a 30:1 GSR of $66.



TLDR:  There is no point whatsoever in buying gold over silver right now.

TLDR2:  Trust nobody, especially some greaseball with a pinky ring named Martin Armstrong
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December 11, 2016, 07:04:38 PM

r0ach is legendary now? Abandon ship   Cheesy


I find him entertaining...  Cheesy Cheesy ...  When the 5th Reich emerges, he will probably have his own battalion. So... I guess you should get in his good graces today and cash in your investment when the day comes!  Roll Eyes

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December 11, 2016, 08:03:15 PM

I bought thousands of pounds worth of silver when it was at $30.



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December 11, 2016, 08:24:58 PM

I bought thousands of pounds worth of silver when it was at $30.



What a dickhead

I bought all mine under $20, but even the big names in silver like David Morgan and Mike Maloney have bought silver at much higher prices than now.  People like Mike Maloney have bought at $5, but they also bought at $30.  David Morgan also has $30 silver.  In the end you will still do well if you're patient because the price of metals is going astronomically high when the debt markets implode.
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December 11, 2016, 08:27:08 PM

I bought thousands of pounds worth of silver when it was at $30.



What a dickhead

Patience. You'll have thousand % profit in just 2-3 years.
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December 11, 2016, 08:35:04 PM

It's also plain as day to see what's going on with metals.  You HAVE to rig the price of metals in order to try and force NIRP/ZIRP on people, and that's exactly what they've done, manipulated them down even lower than their already manipulated low prices.  They're currently on sale for like 30-40% off their usual manipulation state:



The fact they would attempt this manipulation going even further than the normal manipulation indicates we are in the endgame and they aren't worried about having to make good on any paper promises or claims on unallocated gold with 100 or more owners for every 1 bar.
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December 11, 2016, 08:35:57 PM

I bought thousands of pounds worth of silver when it was at $30.



What a dickhead

Patience. You'll have thousand % profit in just 2-3 years.



Well I can't afford to sell it all anyway. It was a large amount.

Stupid really


Edit. I should have said I can't afford to sell it at a loss knowing it will go up eventually
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December 11, 2016, 10:23:35 PM

I bought thousands of pounds worth of silver when it was at $30.



What a dickhead

Patience. You'll have thousand % profit in just 2-3 years.



Well I can't afford to sell it all anyway. It was a large amount.

Stupid really


Edit. I should have said I can't afford to sell it at a loss knowing it will go up eventually

Where do you safely store such a large amount of silver?
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