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December 28, 2018, 11:26:22 PM

That was the dip. Now we rip up.
A retest of $3.81k for support might happen first...just sayin.
It might be even worse than that, actually.

I expect it to be much worse that that. This 'up' action is no bull run. Not a chance.
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December 28, 2018, 11:34:05 PM

That was the dip. Now we rip up.
A retest of $3.81k for support might happen first...just sayin.
It might be even worse than that, actually.

I expect it to be much worse that that. This 'up' action is no bull run. Not a chance.
Obviously not. I'm only guessing at another leg up tonight without any more pullback. Medium and long term is clearly very bearish.
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December 28, 2018, 11:46:50 PM

That was the dip. Now we rip up.
A retest of $3.81k for support might happen first...just sayin.
It might be even worse than that, actually.

I expect it to be much worse that that. This 'up' action is no bull run. Not a chance.
Obviously not. I'm only guessing at another leg up tonight without any more pullback. Medium and long term is clearly very bearish.

LONGterm never has been bearish

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December 28, 2018, 11:48:20 PM

gah. you're right. tired here too. medium term lol. sleep tight
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December 28, 2018, 11:55:10 PM

No apology necessary or wanted...except from corrupt politicians and corporate shills.

Its like this government shut down the USA is having right now...everyone involved needs to be fired..period. Its like a kindergarten class or worse perhaps..."I am not going to talk to you anymore because you are saying something I dont like".

These are the "supposed" leaders of the free world...smh.

The biggest problem I see with the partial government shutdown is that it won't be permanent. The other problem is that it's too small in scope.
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December 29, 2018, 12:00:52 AM

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-28/arrival-credit-crisis
forecasting a bumpy road ahead
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December 29, 2018, 12:08:33 AM
Last edit: December 29, 2018, 12:18:52 AM by HairyMaclairy

No apology necessary or wanted...except from corrupt politicians and corporate shills.

Its like this government shut down the USA is having right now...everyone involved needs to be fired..period. Its like a kindergarten class or worse perhaps..."I am not going to talk to you anymore because you are saying something I dont like".

These are the "supposed" leaders of the free world...smh.

The biggest problem I see with the partial government shutdown is that it won't be permanent. The other problem is that it's too small in scope.

You could always just move somewhere without a functional government. Parts of Somalia and Afghanistan would
be obvious choices.  Or maybe the Papua New Guinea jungle? The outer islands of the Solomons are pretty lawless.  And you could go today.   It’s not like they have a government to stop you.

Edit:  a handy list is here

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Fragile_States_Index
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December 29, 2018, 12:17:52 AM
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... ever seen what happens to a solar array in a golf-ball sized hailstorm?

http://joannenova.com.au/2018/12/sydney-hail-storm-just-how-hailproof-are-those-solar-panels/
bonus solar nirvana debunkhttp://joannenova.com.au/2018/12/fireman-warns-solar-powered-batteries-may-cause-ferocious-fires/

Just more risks/costs that coal, oil, gas, nuclear plants are robust against or have amortised/solved already ... no-one has all the answers and the biggest problem are those that think they do and assume authority above the natural market of ideas and solutions to enforce their will on others. At huge expense for everyone inevitably.

http://joannenova.com.au/2018/12/new-report-renewables-indirectly-make-electricity-more-expensive-so-abc-tells-australia-the-opposite/

The environmentalism cult in it's current pseudo-scientific/romantic form has become a plague upon humanity, there is no doubt about it that now. A descent into superstition and romanticism seems to be accelerating with the collapse of the fiat/debt monetary regimes (based on economics faking as science anyway) ... things are not as bad as being lied about but large coastal populations are prone to regular disasters (fossil history is quite definitive about that), so disasters are always in the 'news'.

The planet is as 'healthy' (whatever subjective gaia bullshit that means) as it has ever been, and in fact Earth is quite agnostic about the state of it's inhabitants. Any large asteroid strike, geomagnetic reversal, geomagnetic collapse, true polar wander, X-class solar flare strike, or supervolcanic eruption phase belittles all the pathetic, politically-motivated environmental alarmism when Earth's human habitability is viewed objectively.

http://joannenova.com.au/2018/12/in-2018-climate-change-caused-disastrous-loss-of-0-1-of-world-gdp/

Newsflash, the earth has barely warmed in 35 years (~0.2C at last measure) ...

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2018/12/2018-6th-warmest-year-globally-of-last-40/

and latest discovery of solar physics models points towards that we are heading into a grand solar minimum for the next 2-3 decades ... typically associated with longer, brutal winters and large-scale crop losses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_yqIj38UmY
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December 29, 2018, 12:20:07 AM

It’s a one in 20 year hailstorm on panels with an ROI of 3 years and an effective life of 10 years.   Not to mention the hailstorm only hit a small part of Sydney.  

As for the rest, it’s 2018.  Not believeing in science is only fashionable on YouTube conspiracy channels.   There’s no scientific proof rings as hollow as the cigarette companies that still claim there is no link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer. 
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December 29, 2018, 12:22:55 AM

ooh thank you. a new oxymoron for my collection:
'functional government'
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December 29, 2018, 12:23:14 AM

It’s a one in 20 year hailstorm on panels with an ROI of 3 years and an effective life of 10 years.  

why was it so costly? how much did cost to mine the silicon, aluminium, copper, lithium, plastic, manufactured, installed, wiped clean every month? (they're major pain in the ass to maintain) ... if it's too costly that it needs taxpayer subsidies, it's very likely a bullshit losing proposition, that some grifters are scamming and ripping off taxpayers with ... usually.
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December 29, 2018, 12:25:14 AM

It’s a one in 20 year hailstorm on panels with an ROI of 3 years and an effective life of 10 years. 

why was it so costly? how much did cost to mine the silicon, aluminium, copper, lithium, plastic, manufactured, installed, wiped clean every month? (they're major pain in the ass to maintain ... if it's too costly that it needs taxpayer subsidies, it's very likely a losing proposition.

I have them on my roof.  No I don’t wipe them. We have too much sunshine as it is.
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December 29, 2018, 12:27:36 AM

No apology necessary or wanted...except from corrupt politicians and corporate shills.

Its like this government shut down the USA is having right now...everyone involved needs to be fired..period. Its like a kindergarten class or worse perhaps..."I am not going to talk to you anymore because you are saying something I dont like".

These are the "supposed" leaders of the free world...smh.

The biggest problem I see with the partial government shutdown is that it won't be permanent. The other problem is that it's too small in scope.

You could always just move somewhere without a functional government. Parts of Somalia and Afghanistan would
be obvious choices.  Or maybe the Papua New Guinea jungle? The outer islands of the Solomons are pretty lawless.  And you could go today.   It’s not like they have a government to stop you.

Edit:  a handy list is here

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Fragile_States_Index

Perhaps you European fellows are ill-informed about the partial government shutdowns in the US. They're basically just a small army of bureaucrats getting an extra paid vacation. Every government function that matters is unaffected.
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December 29, 2018, 12:28:20 AM

It’s a one in 20 year hailstorm on panels with an ROI of 3 years and an effective life of 10 years. 

why was it so costly? how much did cost to mine the silicon, aluminium, copper, lithium, plastic, manufactured, installed, wiped clean every month? (they're major pain in the ass to maintain ... if it's too costly that it needs taxpayer subsidies, it's very likely a losing proposition.

I have them on my roof.  No I don’t wipe them. We have too much sunshine as it is.

... run out of toilet paper? So good for you if it works for you, just stop ramming shitty 'green' technology down everyone else's throat and you might get more acceptance ... if it actually works, then go make a buck out of it if it is so wonderful.
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December 29, 2018, 12:29:12 AM
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Macleod is always a good read: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-28/arrival-credit-crisis

The question is: how will Bitcoin fare under increased inflation. I know the answer.
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December 29, 2018, 12:34:04 AM

It’s a one in 20 year hailstorm on panels with an ROI of 3 years and an effective life of 10 years.  

why was it so costly? how much did cost to mine the silicon, aluminium, copper, lithium, plastic, manufactured, installed, wiped clean every month? (they're major pain in the ass to maintain) ... if it's too costly that it needs taxpayer subsidies, it's very likely a bullshit losing proposition, that some grifters are scamming and ripping off taxpayers with ... usually.

Weird to find someone not liking the idea of producing their own energy on a btc forum. You're missing out man. It's great. No cleaning needed. Don't listen to the big oil shills man.

PS my panels have a 25 year guarantee on efficiency, a lot more then numbers mentioned above.
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December 29, 2018, 12:35:17 AM

The biggest problem I see with the partial government shutdown is that it won't be permanent.

Government shutdown we'll have if government stops taxing us and collecting our money, not when they stop spending it.
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December 29, 2018, 12:38:22 AM

The biggest problem I see with the partial government shutdown is that it won't be permanent. The other problem is that it's too small in scope.

Well...there is that. I however think with population densities what they are, some form of government is necessary. Democratic electoral voting seems to be fairest but has certain inefficiencies that can be hard to swallow at times.

Just look at this graph of the US budget surplus/deficit ratio. Its been 2 generations since there was a surplus and even that is questionable as some say monies were borrowed against the SS trust fund or something along those lines.

I am just sick and tired of being ripped off and lied too...pretty simple really. Is it to much to ask that "they" not do this anymore?



https://www.davemanuel.com/history-of-deficits-and-surpluses-in-the-united-states.php

Lots of statistics here..interesting if your into that sort.
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December 29, 2018, 12:39:53 AM

On that point, my next car will probably be electric so it can run off the roof cells.  I just cbf buying a new car right now when the old one has nothing wrong with it.
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December 29, 2018, 01:04:13 AM

... ever seen what happens ...
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Sorry..ain't buying it. I think you know something is happening and is continuing to happen this century. The data is sound and has been reviewed many times.

While I agree with you that the Earth will continue its orbit regardless of what humanity does I think it naive to doubt what hard science has proven. Co2 levels are rising at a extraordinary rate. Pumping billions of barrels of hydrocarbons from beneath the ground and then burning it just does not sound like a good idea any more. Are innovation and change difficult? Yes..  Is it expensive to be a first mover in a nascent market?  Yes..extremely so.. 
Things change and we grow wiser.
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