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March 15, 2020, 09:23:53 AM

Spain enters official nationwide lockdown.

So does France from midnight.

Looks like everyone is starting to take this shit seriously. Except maybe UK... I donno if it is because they are doing good or ignoring the problem.

As I understand it, UK and Sweden are taking a different approach.
The plan is to slowly reach herd immunity while protecting the risk groups until herd immunity is reached.
That's why Sweden hasn't closed any schools or anything else for that matter, everything runs as usual here, people aren't even using masks. The advise is to keep distance, stay at home, wash your hands often, and use hand sanitizers.
The press is having a field day and social media is full of outraged people, I would not be surprised if the government buckles under the pressure and changes strategy.

Edit: there is also a ban of more than 500 people gatherings.
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@mindrust, I fully expect you to buy back at your capitulation price or better.
If you get the chance.

Nice to see you back.

Am also thinking the same thing... $4.2K, $4.5K and $4.8K (33% positions) would be a good spread to get yourself back in to (slightly less) than what you had before. If you don't want to try and "time to bottom" as it were, and simply get your position back if that's what you're hoping for. It's definitely what I'm considering if we close above $5.5K this week, not that you should follow my non-financial advise what-so-ever, I've been wrong enough this past month Tongue

I wish you the best either way, we've all been there. I panic sold in 2017 (when $6K went back down to $5K, before going to $20K), because I had previously got in at $5K before it went down to $3K so wanted to get out "break-even" and not risk having my money drop 40% again. In the end I had to get back in around $7.5K which sucked. Obviously this was completely different amidst the middle of a parabolic bull-run, and I think you'll be fine getting back in, but I feel your pain none the less.

At least now you will have stronger hands when you become a coiner again  Cool Better to have panic sold at $4.5K, with the likelihood of having the opportunity to get back in, then to have held on til some lower level and panic sold then. I think everyone should panic sell once, in order to learn from the mistake. Better now than later.
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March 15, 2020, 09:38:00 AM

Silly Billy, you made me laugh  Cheesy If this is case (I'm not really following UK politics, only that BJ is a clown, makes sense he devolves responsibility), then the fundamentals of being a island country won't save it from the reality of a worldwide pandemic, it would only slow it down at best. Probably the EU states are doing the right thing at the moment, even if I'm searching for rebellious parties that ignore the wishes of the state, I do get it. "Better to be safe than sorry", as Italy would probably. You can't take action when it's too late is the point.

The US is the place to worry about most.

I thought the issue was with Europe now? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I believed what Trump says which is foolish.

It's all about preserving the effectiveness of the health system by drawing out the infection rate rather than drowning it mainly. But the concept of 'herd immunity' that they're all talking about might turn out to be total rubbish and we'll all melt.

Nothing was done in the earliest stages at all and now they've given up attempting to test and only testing hospital arrivals. A lot of people are calling it a gamble and it does sound like it. I will not be taking any chances.

I do think explicitly isolating oldies is very sensible and I don't get why that hasn't been done elsewhere but it should've been done sooner.

Anyway, anyone who has the option to take control of their own exposure should've been doing it the moment this all became a problem. No one should be waiting to be told.

As for America, look who's in charge. Look at the health system they'll need to shake up and unify. A lot of Americans won't seek treatment until it's too late because they've spent their whole lives avoiding doctors because of the expense or lack of sick pay even if they remove those barriers and it looks like they will.

And then we might end up with a two tier world where Asia went for containment and the West let everyone become zombies so Asia won't let anyone in until there's a vaccine. This will be written about for centuries to come.

Aand, then he just explained all that.
Still catching up, as you can see.
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March 15, 2020, 09:38:48 AM
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Another honest thought...

As much as we all hate Tone Vays, I believe he was right about one thing.

Shitcoins.

They are a huge part of the problem and nobody can do nothing about it. (anybody can create a shitcoin and scam others before going to zero) Without all of them going to zero, I think bitcoin will have serious problems, price-wise against the USD.

Maybe they'll go away this time...

Take a look at CMC's homepage and tell me what you see. I only see shit. (other than #1) And people trade and hodl these shits with the hopes of them becoming the new bitcoin. And there are hundreds of thousands of them.
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March 15, 2020, 09:42:06 AM
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@mindrust, I fully expect you to buy back at your capitulation price or better.
If you get the chance.

Nice to see you back.

Am also thinking the same thing... $4.2K, $4.5K and $4.8K (33% positions) would be a good spread to get yourself back in to (slightly less) than what you had before. If you don't want to try and "time to bottom" as it were, and simply get your position back if that's what you're hoping for. It's definitely what I'm considering if we close above $5.5K this week, not that you should follow my non-financial advise what-so-ever, I've been wrong enough this past month Tongue

I wish you the best either way, we've all been there. I panic sold in 2017 (when $6K went back down to $5K, before going to $20K), because I had previously got in at $5K before it went down to $3K so wanted to get out "break-even" and not risk having my money drop 40% again. In the end I had to get back in around $7.5K which sucked. Obviously this was completely different amidst the middle of a parabolic bull-run, and I think you'll be fine getting back in, but I feel your pain none the less.

At least now you will have stronger hands when you become a coiner again  Cool Better to have panic sold at $4.5K, with the likelihood of having the opportunity to get back in, then to have held on til some lower level and panic sold then. I think everyone should panic sell once, in order to learn from the mistake. Better now than later.

Gosh... I agree with a lot of what you are saying, yet I am not sure dragonvslinux.  

I agree that everyone has to make mistakes in order to solidly learn, but seems to me that no serious bitcoiners should be playing around with all or nothing tactics (especially when it comes to doing the opposite, which is selling after about a 60% correction), and any of us seriously recognizing the powerful fundamentals of bitcoin should be able to figure out ways to incrementally modify positions.  

Fuck, even selling 50% should be really sufficiently enough to recognize how powerful it is to play around like that, but people have a tendency to get greedy... (yeah, of course, they label it "scared," but it is really a kind of greed).
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or.....it's just another flu-like virus but the opportunity arose for governments and central banks to use it as a scape-goat to hide the popping of the financial markets bubble, hence blanket news coverage to the exclusion of all other reporting. People are already recovering and reporting that it wasn't too bad actually, they just felt a little bit off-colour for a few days. Sure, some very old and sick people might die, just as they always do.

How many absurd government-sponsored narratives and their 'coincidental' timings are people going to fall for? Never mind, just stay in doors, shut up and be fearful. While central banks pile on more debt to tax-payers through new forms of QE now being sold to us as market liquidity injections.

Or maybe this thing is actually hitting Asians harder than Europeans and that's why they are panicking more.
Don't forget that paper that concluded that Asians have more receptors for the virus in their lungs than Europeans.
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What's it like under lockdown? Are there shortages of things in the shops when you go out to buy food?

Situation in Austria (not Australia) is similar, we are about 10 days behind with infection counts when compared with Italy. We should reach 1000 infections today, at the current pace. About 1000 testings per day are possible. 6k done so far. 1 dead.

You know all the work/life data from fillippone already, but there seems to be a secondary effect:

Many families are staying at home together, which brings them more closely together, in an emotional way. No father/mother is distracted from being close to their loved ones by working all day and spend their earned money on hobbies or "useless" goods. This might be enough for many to question their life priorities, maybe it will be enough to shift their consciousness from being a tiny, tiny cogwheel in the global clockwork of economy, to more important things in their relatively short life than chasing wealth before dying. The economy doesn't care if worker no. 2.122.391.231 dies and is of no more use, because worker no. 2.122.391.232 will happily take his place. And so on. I'm quite happy to see the start of a transformation in the people throug a shift of values. Crisis always seems to bring people together, helping families and neighborhoods to unite. They way it meant to be, probably, until monetarization and ever growing consumption distracted us all.

It may also lead to a new baby boom. First i was laughing about this thought, but think twice  Wink
Many couples where working all day, going to the gym, going out, considering having a baby is too expensive...
Now they don't know what to do with their time, at home, in a nice warm bed...  Grin

I was sleeping almost all day yesterday, medium fatigue, woke up with a cough, pain in joins and muscles and a sore throat. Raised temperature, but too low for fever. And tiiired. That's why i didnt post.
May have already cought the CoV at Judo training last week, maybe it's a coincidence. I don't care, it's very mild. Not even a runny nose. All our kids are also more or less sick a little, only the two youngest ones with a little more intensity in symptoms, coughing pretty much at night. Also pretty normal. My wife is allergic, you wouldn't be able to tell if she's sick, coughing and sneezing and tiredness already for three weeks now.
Nobody goes out, just the children playing in the woods, nobody else is near. We have food stocked for two weeks and enjoy the close family life, all is well.
This is fine. I'll go take another nap now.
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Shitcoins.

They are a huge part of the problem [...]

What a load of bullocks. It's the same as saying that having 100s of programming languages is a problem.

No way.

Players will converge to one or a few large networks. The rest will die. It just takes time.

Or do you also have 144 types of connectors for 144 different phones/electrical gear at home?
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March 15, 2020, 09:54:02 AM
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@mindrust, I fully expect you to buy back at your capitulation price or better.
If you get the chance.

Nice to see you back.

Am also thinking the same thing... $4.2K, $4.5K and $4.8K (33% positions) would be a good spread to get yourself back in to (slightly less) than what you had before. If you don't want to try and "time to bottom" as it were, and simply get your position back if that's what you're hoping for. It's definitely what I'm considering if we close above $5.5K this week, not that you should follow my non-financial advise what-so-ever, I've been wrong enough this past month Tongue

I wish you the best either way, we've all been there. I panic sold in 2017 (when $6K went back down to $5K, before going to $20K), because I had previously got in at $5K before it went down to $3K so wanted to get out "break-even" and not risk having my money drop 40% again. In the end I had to get back in around $7.5K which sucked. Obviously this was completely different amidst the middle of a parabolic bull-run, and I think you'll be fine getting back in, but I feel your pain none the less.

At least now you will have stronger hands when you become a coiner again  Cool Better to have panic sold at $4.5K, with the likelihood of having the opportunity to get back in, then to have held on til some lower level and panic sold then. I think everyone should panic sell once, in order to learn from the mistake. Better now than later.

Gosh... I agree with a lot of what you are saying, yet I am not sure dragonvslinux.  

I agree that everyone has to make mistakes in order to solidly learn, but no serious bitcoiners should be playing around with all or nothing tactics, and any of us seriously recognizing the powerful fundamentals of bitcoin should be able to figure out ways to incrementally modify positions.  

Fuck, even selling 50% should be really sufficiently enough to recognize how powerful it is to play around like that, but people have a tendency to get greedy... (yeah, of course, they label it "scared," but it is really a kind of greed).

You're right, as per usual, nobody should be playing around with all or nothing, but this is the reality for a lot of people. From my perspective I only learn from my mistakes - therefore I had to panic sell once in order to learn. Glad I did it then to be honest, rather than in 2018 when Bitcoin broke $5K (and would of seen my money go from 4x to break-even again). Sure it would of seemed like a good idea at the time, but I'd be kicking myself in 2019 and would of likely panic bought at $10K+ as a response. So sure this isn't the same for everyone, but if you're someone who learn's from your mistakes, or needs to make them in order to learn (points at self), the experience will give you the stronger hands you'll need in the future. I am one of those people, I can't speak for mindrust or others but I know I'm not the only one who's like this.

To clarify I'm not suggesting anyone panic sell for the experience (it's gut wrenching stuff), but that if it's an inevitability for your learning process, due to your personality, then it's a needs must situation, hence "getting it out the way". Of course better money/risk management would be better than all or nothing for sure, no-one is doubting this rationality, but bare in mind many investors in the space have an "all or nothing" attitude that they will likely never shake off. When I'm in, I'm more or less all in, others I don't feel comfortable.

Reference: I'm 90% in and more than comfortable with that, any less than 80% I wouldn't be right now. I can't stand the thought of losing 20% of my money (see cap for fruther reference)
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Another honest thought...

As much as we all hate Tone Vays, I believe he was right about one thing.

Shitcoins.

They are a huge part of the problem and nobody can do nothing about it. (anybody can create a shitcoin and scam others before going to zero) Without all of them going to zero, I think bitcoin will have serious problems, price-wise against the USD.

Maybe they'll go away this time...

Take a look at CMC's homepage and tell me what you see. I only see shit. (other than #1) And people trade and hodl these shits with the hopes of them becoming the new bitcoin. And there are hundreds of thousands of them.

No offense man but reading this makes it sound like you're upset that you sold all your coin and now you're bitter and looking for ways to justify your position. I totally understand why you did what you did (even if I don't agree) but the shitcoins have always been there as a distraction to serve to try to take $$$/BTC away from people. Just don't fall for those traps and you'll be fine
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Breakfast buffet at the hotel i'm staying at has been shut down due to Covid-19 fears.  What the hell am I gonna do without my morning toast and coffee?!  Okay guys, it's time to PANIC!




Buddy, check please your collectible toy.
I made it especiaaly for you.
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Another honest thought...

As much as we all hate Tone Vays, I believe he was right about one thing.

Shitcoins.

They are a huge part of the problem and nobody can do nothing about it. (anybody can create a shitcoin and scam others before going to zero) Without all of them going to zero, I think bitcoin will have serious problems, price-wise against the USD.

Maybe they'll go away this time...

Take a look at CMC's homepage and tell me what you see. I only see shit. (other than #1) And people trade and hodl these shits with the hopes of them becoming the new bitcoin. And there are hundreds of thousands of them.

No offense man but reading this makes it sound like you're upset that you sold all your coin and now you're bitter and looking for ways to justify your position. I totally understand why you did what you did (even if I don't agree) but the shitcoins have always been there as a distraction to serve to try to take $$$/BTC away from people. Just don't fall for those traps and you'll be fine

There weren't always that many shitcoins. That's a fact. Their numbers are increasing with everynew day, that's a fact too. These aren't lies. Check CMC's historical snapshots and see it yourself.

I might be upset, I might be not. That's just how I feel and see it right now.
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Another honest thought...

As much as we all hate Tone Vays, I believe he was right about one thing.

Shitcoins.

They are a huge part of the problem and nobody can do nothing about it. (anybody can create a shitcoin and scam others before going to zero) Without all of them going to zero, I think bitcoin will have serious problems, price-wise against the USD.

Maybe they'll go away this time...

Take a look at CMC's homepage and tell me what you see. I only see shit. (other than #1) And people trade and hodl these shits with the hopes of them becoming the new bitcoin. And there are hundreds of thousands of them.

No offense man but reading this makes it sound like you're upset that you sold all your coin and now you're bitter and looking for ways to justify your position. I totally understand why you did what you did (even if I don't agree) but the shitcoins have always been there as a distraction to serve to try to take $$$/BTC away from people. Just don't fall for those traps and you'll be fine

There weren't always that many shitcoins. That's a fact. Their numbers are increasing with everynew day, that's a fact too. These aren't lies. Check CMC's historical snapshots and see it yourself.

I might be upset, I might be not. That's just how I feel and see it right now.

Of course there weren't... that's cos more and more people are realising they can get money from others easily by making a coin. The trick is to not buy those shitcoins all marketed on false promises and lies. There's a reason BTC has been around 10+ years and is still totally dominant in every metric
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Another honest thought...

As much as we all hate Tone Vays, I believe he was right about one thing.

Shitcoins.

They are a huge part of the problem and nobody can do nothing about it. (anybody can create a shitcoin and scam others before going to zero) Without all of them going to zero, I think bitcoin will have serious problems, price-wise against the USD.

Maybe they'll go away this time...

Take a look at CMC's homepage and tell me what you see. I only see shit. (other than #1) And people trade and hodl these shits with the hopes of them becoming the new bitcoin. And there are hundreds of thousands of them.

No offense man but reading this makes it sound like you're upset that you sold all your coin and now you're bitter and looking for ways to justify your position. I totally understand why you did what you did (even if I don't agree) but the shitcoins have always been there as a distraction to serve to try to take $$$/BTC away from people. Just don't fall for those traps and you'll be fine

There weren't always that many shitcoins. That's a fact. Their numbers are increasing with everynew day, that's a fact too. These aren't lies. Check CMC's historical snapshots and see it yourself.

I might be upset, I might be not. That's just how I feel and see it right now.

Of course there weren't... that's cos more and more people are realising they can get money from others easily by making a coin. The trick is to not buy those shitcoins all marketed on false promises and lies. There's a reason BTC has been around 10+ years and is still totally dominant in every metric

People weren't supposed to elect Trump too. They did it anyway.  Not saying Hillary was better btw. They just didn't have a choice.
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Just thinking of smoking some nice buds for a day while the world passes me by, lots of capacity available

bud?

the amount of bud reserve level i have is the 1st thing i check, and the 1st i top off when needed.

so.. plan is to sit back and enjoy the ride.

Nobody can claim that I didn't prepare for this lock down. Tongue



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Another honest thought...

As much as we all hate Tone Vays, I believe he was right about one thing.

Shitcoins.

They are a huge part of the problem and nobody can do nothing about it. (anybody can create a shitcoin and scam others before going to zero) Without all of them going to zero, I think bitcoin will have serious problems, price-wise against the USD.

Maybe they'll go away this time...

Take a look at CMC's homepage and tell me what you see. I only see shit. (other than #1) And people trade and hodl these shits with the hopes of them becoming the new bitcoin. And there are hundreds of thousands of them.

The shitcoin virus started with changing Bitcoin s DNA, copy, forking, whatever

Nothing really is of need, just to make some central forkers, devs, ICO foundations rich
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You know, the little mini-market in my village is always packed with local stuff, so no.

On this occasion, I would only go to the hospital, just before my final breath.
Fear got the best of you too HM, sorry.
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Breakfast buffet at the hotel i'm staying at has been shut down due to Covid-19 fears.  What the hell am I gonna do without my morning toast and coffee?!  Okay guys, it's time to PANIC!





wait. no coffee.

not sure that even has meaning, i cant really get my head around it.

coffee is so essential the furthest i can move before i need a cup of coffee, especially the 1st one, is about 100 feet. maybe. and i need to rest and have a smoke 1/2 way there.

this is bad.
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