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We (royal that is) have already figured out that your squigglies are quasi-random because they have close to no explanation in regards to their placement.

Go figure...
Well, without stressing much to explain it to you, I will just leave you a chart as to how that "squiggly" white line came about. The circled part was a range that lasted a very long time and eventually turned resistance to support at the price I mentioned earlier. I don't know what your trading patterns are. You may want to educate us on that if you know better.



I have spent plenty of time (and posts in this thread) explaining what I do and have done over the years, which has largely been initially setting goals of BTC accumulation and then after reaching such accumulation goals through DCA, buying on dips and lump sum investing (including some front loading) which was largely through 2014 and 2015, thereafter transitioning into a strategy that was meant to focus more on maintenance that involved buying on the way down and selling on the way up as a form of insurance rather than as a way to accumulate more BTC because the BTC accumulation goals had mostly already been met by late 2014-ish.  

Largely I would not even consider prudent to enter into the inclusion of selling BTC on the way up until the person has either met or exceeded BTC accumulation targets (which I had considered myself to reach my BTC accumulation goals in late 2014 and to exceed them in 2015), and subsequent BTC price movements locked me into such a position and perspective of my stash in respect to my own personal situation.  So if your initial BTC accumulation goal might be 1% to 10% of your overall portfolio, or if you have had created goals to reach higher BTC accumulation levels, those are surely discretionary considerations.

Perhaps at some point anyone could consider the value of his her BTC in terms of the amount of profits, such as at least 2x but could be 3x to 4x or higher depending on personal preferences, so for many of us guys who have average BTC costs in the three digits, there would not be BIG concerns regarding making sure that our BTC portfolios are in sufficient profits to be able to feel comfortable to skim any value on the way up... yet my personal skim on the way up strategy has tended to involve largely small amounts of no more than 1% for every 10% rise at most.. but probably over the years, reducing to amounts that are closer to .5% per every 10% rise, yet my approach to my BTC maintenance has really change in accordance with any kind of attempt to predict the BTC price direction except for presuming that in the long run, the BTC prices are largely going to be going up in accordance with the currently valid BTC prediction models.. not to get caught up with short-term BTC price moves in any kind of meaningful way... except perhaps to criticize others who claim to know which direction that the BTC price is going with any kind of certainty and especially if their approach seems to NOT be adequately accounting for longer term BTC price prediction models.

In any event, from time to time I will assign probabilities to short term BTC price direction that goes beyond 50/50,.. but not too frequently-- especially since my maintenance strategy hardly gives any shits about short-term BTC price movements, even though there is likely some bias towards UP in my own perspective and preferences (at least in the longer term)..

In the end, the strategy of buying BTC on the way down and selling on the way up should never run out of either fiat nor BTC.. and a variety of other ideas and techniques related to setting goals to set and achieve BTC accumulation strategies first that mostly involve DCA, buying on dips and lump sum investments.  I do not prescribe to margin trading nor selling BTC in order to buy BTC at a lower price as a BTC accumulation strategy.. except for a supplemental strategy that might be employed if a guy is already way overallocated in BTC. .and presumptively already in considerable profits with those BTC that are owned.  

Nonetheless, I understand that some guys believe that they can trade BTC to increase their BTC stash.. even if they have not yet achieved their BTC accumulation goals (so presumptively have also not achieved overallocation in BTC either).. which seems to be a risky manner to attempt to achieve BTC accumulation goals by selling... including that it is likely that ONLY a small quantity of guys are able to employ BTC trading techniques that are actually better than DCA strategies and buying on dip strategies.. so trading has a lot of tendencies to attract fools that are going to end up losing more BTC than they would have been able to accumulate had they merely followed some kinds of more pure and simple DCA strategies.

Should we compare your approach to DCA, Mpamaegbu?  If we go by your forum registration date, you have been in BTC since January 2017.  So let's look up DCAing into BTC for that period, and let's say that if you had bought $100 per week in BTC, then you would currently have about 4.88 BTC (about $232.5k) but around 840% profits (around 8.5x - because your investment amount would have been around $24,700).  So hopefully any BTC accumulation strategies that you have been employing have been able to achieve similar (if not better) performance than a pure DCA strategy, no?

Once reaching BTC accumulation goals (or presumptively overly-accumulating) then the next stages would be maintenance and liquidation, and I would consider myself to be largely in maintenance stage since about late 2015-ish, even though I had spun my wheels a bit in 2016/2017 in terms of my confidence level regarding whether I felt that I was really in a maintenance stage or was I still trying to accumulate BTC.  By early 2017, I became more confident that I did not need to worry about BTC accumulation even though I would still buy BTC on dips from time to time, but the accumulation aspects of my BTC portfolio management was not as much of an emphasis.  

In more recent times, I have not been afraid to employ liquidation strategies, even though I have not actually been employing much if any of those strategies.  In any event, some of the abilities to consider maintenance and liquidation with a bit of flippancy comes from having had already reached my accumulation goals in late 2014 and then largely overallocated in the 2015-ish timeframe.. without ever really falling out of that over-accumulation position, even though at the same time, Gresham's law causes the spending of less valuable assets and currencies first, so many times there have not been needs to spend BTC in any kind of meaningful way..so it largely continues to grow with the passage of time, whether its in 10x profits at $10k, 30x profits at $30k, 65x profits at $65k or 42x profits at $42k... Is there much of any difference that matters?  sure the higher the better, but there is not really any meaningful constrictions in terms of shaving off a few BTC here and there along the way, no?

In any event, each of us should be attempting to tailor our plans and our BTC portfolio management strategies to our own situations.. based on various individual considerations.. that may or may not involve trading BTC because trading tends to be a more advanced strategy (and maybe not even a good idea until after overallocation goals have been reached)... Furthermore, trading may well not be necessarily needed in order to figure out the earlier tailoring aspects around individual considerations of: cashflow, other investments, view of bitcoin as compared with other investments, timeline, risk tolerance, and time, skills and abilities to learn along the way to plan and strategize which may well involve tweaking plans from time to time, reallocating, trading and the employment of financial instruments.. the later of which of the trading and employment of financial instruments tend to be more advanced skills (as I keep saying) that may well not be necessary in terms of finding and following long-term BTC investment foundations...    

Did you have any specific questions in regards to my approach to BTC?  

I already said that I tend to be critical of guys who assign high probabilities to charts (ie squigglies), but that does not mean that the charts might not be helpful in the event that there is some humbleness in interpreting them and assigning probabilities to the squigglies assigned therein that might not cause betting too much on predictions about BTC's short-term price movements.

I don't know what your trading patterns are. You may want to educate us on that if you know better.



Now I feel bad...

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Did you have any specific questions in regards to my approach to BTC?
Nope, no further questions. I rest my case. BTW, I like your detailed analysis dovetailing into history.

Peace...
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September 22, 2021, 06:59:30 AM

Did you have any specific questions in regards to my approach to BTC?
Nope, no further questions. I rest my case. BTW, I like your detailed analysis dovetailing into history.

Peace...

Aren't you quite the cooperative one.

Should I presume that your secretive BTC portfolio building/management strategies are beating a pure DCA strategy of around 8.5x in nearly 5 years (since January 2017), then?  If you have been in BTC for longer than that, then your overall performance and profits should be even better, given a DCA strategy tends to show better performance for the longer the time that a guy is in BTC. 

Alternatively, should I presume that you have already overallocated and you have a trading stash and a HODL stash?  which would largely mean that you are not playing around with too large of percentages of your overall BTC stash.

A vast majority of guys are likely quite a bit better off following some kind of DCA strategy or some variation of buying on dips and lump sum investing rather than more complicated trading methodologies that you are continuing to pompously (and perhaps pretentiously) failing/refusing to explain and might not even play out better than something like a DCA strategy, given the risks of having the market move against you and other complicated aspects of betting wrong.
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September 22, 2021, 07:01:26 AM


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September 22, 2021, 07:28:29 AM

The next full moon will occur on Monday, Sept. 20 at 7:55 p.m. EDT (23:55 UTC), but the moon will appear full the night before and after its peak to the casual stargazer. September's full moon will be the Harvest Moon of 2021, though it is sometimes known as the Corn Moon and has many other nicknames by different cultures.

Is full moon the reason we got a dip? Do we get a pump at the next full moon?

There is a correlation between full moons around short-term reversals in price, due to emotional sentiment I imagine, so is possible that was the final dip. Will have a look and see if there's been a correlation in recent months and post some TA on it if it appears relevant...

Until I see some empirical proof, this whole full moon correlation will seem like untrustworthy, unscientific bs to me. why does it matter how much of the moon is darker in some parts and not others? Its just the reflection of light from the moon as seen from different perspectives.

Sure, don't believe it. I did some TA back in 2019 and there appeared to be a weak correlation, but a correlation none the less. Not a very useful one either. Why there is a correlation is anyone's speculative guess however. Only appears relevant when price is being indecisive, that much became clear to be when back-testing the theory. Not during an aggressive up or downtrend, it seems irrelevant.

I'll do some TA on it when I've finished re-arranging my sock draw, as it's quite a mess at the moment.

During the full and new phases of the moon, the sun and moon are aligned so their gravitational effects are amplified.  At certain times of the year this alignment as well as the proximity of the bodies to earth serve to pull the bitcoin trend line higher and higher towards new ATHs.

I feel like this a tongue in cheek response, rather than statistical data that wasn't provided? Maybe I'm wrong though. But sure, the gravitational effects could be the simple reasoning of creating emotional distress and panic selling. At the same time, I would of thought humans would get used to having increased gravitational force every 28 days. It's not like the ocean complains about it, it just deals with it with high tides.

I had previously thought the reason for bad sleep or otherwise over full moon cycles was just people who didn't have very good curtains, but there is physical reasoning for it beyond that it seems.
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Did you have any specific questions in regards to my approach to BTC?
Nope, no further questions. I rest my case. BTW, I like your detailed analysis dovetailing into history.

Peace...

Aren't you quite the cooperative one.

Should I presume that your secretive BTC portfolio building/management strategies are beating a pure DCA strategy of around 8.5x in nearly 5 years (since January 2017), then?  If you have been in BTC for longer than that, then your overall performance and profits should be even better, given a DCA strategy tends to show better performance for the longer the time that a guy is in BTC.  

Alternatively, should I presume that you have already overallocated and you have a trading stash and a HODL stash?  which would largely mean that you are not playing around with too large of percentages of your overall BTC stash.

A vast majority of guys are likely quite a bit better off following some kind of DCA strategy or some variation of buying on dips and lump sum investing rather than more complicated trading methodologies that you are continuing to pompously (and perhaps pretentiously) failing/refusing to explain and might not even play out better than something like a DCA strategy, given the risks of having the market move against you and other complicated aspects of betting wrong.

My cousin has been into cryptocurrencies (not Bitcoin) since 2017, when I introduced him to Bitcoin (but he never bought). His 30-day Kraken trading volume once exceeded $10M. Up until now, he has achieved an overall 3x profit, with countless stressful and sleepless nights, trying to catch the waves and endlessly moving funds from shitcoin to shitcoin.

Had he invested in Bitcoin in 2017 and HeDL until now, he would be so much better off. I estimated his profit now would be about 30x -- and all of that while sleeping like a baby (insert Buffett quote here). He has now spent 2/3 of his stash on some land and a large-screen TV. I suggested to him to Bitcoin-DCA from now on, but I don't think he paid much attention. He just said that he will use the remaining 1/3 in BCH (the next Bitcoin, according to him) to become rich in 2 years.

Go figure...  Cheesy
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September 22, 2021, 08:48:31 AM

LoL
Overdrew my account at the Bangsters to buy a little of the dip.
Then it dipped for real   Cheesy  Cheesy

Not that i didn't expect this  Roll Eyes
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September 22, 2021, 10:18:13 AM
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So….?

When supply shock?

Asking for a friend and Liverpool fan…  Tongue Grin
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So….?

When supply shock?

Asking for a friend and Liverpool fan…  Tongue Grin

He isn't the only one asking.

But if what we are going through right now is at all similar to 2020, after the crash, it can take months. I think it was about 5 solid months of vanishing supply before we started moving up in a significant way.

Edit: being that I haven't seen any charts posted by the usual twitter on-chain people since the dip, I imagine that supply has not been taken off exchanges during this last dump. If it had, I'm sure they would be quick to post the charts.
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One for LFC



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If you're worried because of the recent dip, you're not doing it right.

Zoom out and enjoy the view.

@LFC: I hear you, but don't worry too much, it will come, and soon. In fact, I'm looking forward to buying my next $1k+ smartphone with your $50 prize money (there will be change for the beers too). When this happens, Bitcoin price will be at $180k+ and we will all be ecstatic. And it will happen sooner than many of us expect.

Onwards & upwards.

HoDL.

Edit: Fixed typo.
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If you're worried because of the recent dip, you're not doing it right.

Zoom out and enjoy the view.

@LFC: I hear you, but don't worry too much, it will come, and soon. In fact, I'm looking forward to buying my next $1k+ smartphone with your $50 prize money (there will be change for the beers too). When this happens, Bitcoin price will be at $180k+ and we will all be ecstatic. And it will happen sooner that many of us expect.

Onwards & upwards.

HoDL.

I would like to add that being that this dip was brought about by China and today they have already started the bail out process, remaining at this level for long is not going to happen. It is therefore a great time to buy the dip.

In addition, if the SEC news has had some kind of an effect, this is also compltely retarded. The SEC has zero fucking power over anything, just go ask Elon Musk over Twitter about how much of a bunch of wet lettuce leaf slapping pussies that they are.

SEC, hahahahahhahah. Pathetic.
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"....as far as thickness goes,  its just bowed a little bit, but...."


Um...That maybe an understatement. lol

Most of what you are seeing is a camera lens distortion.  Watch when he turns it over how the bow goes the same way. (!)
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https://twitter.com/i/events/1439675314217517057

Yall using your BIP39 passphrase, right?  RIGHT?



(also I suggest backing up your keys with PGP (GPG) encryption and a strong password somewhere else as well.  USB drive... archival CDR... *cough* cloud *cough*)

I would never put cash in a safe deposit box or bank. Unless this Joseph Ruiz guy has no other place to store it safely (like, at home? there should always be some place at home, somewhere, maybe.)

I may rent a cheap box in the future, but it would seem unlikely.
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