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[razorramon]

Are you insane or just stupid? What good does it do to "sell" exports to people on credit when they default on the credit? How beneficial is it to give your stuff away? A trade surplus just means you're giving more stuff than you're getting. That's BAD not good. A weak currency helps your exporters but hurts you when you have to import the raw materials and energy. It's also terrible for capital formation (savings). There's a name for a condition where everybody works but nobody gets paid. It's called "slavery".

he is right with the german export blitz...it is not that easy to understand at first...but most european countries suffer mostly because of the german export strength...especially the "weaker" southern states have a major problem...it is a very complex scenario and you should read much more into it than some posts on a bitcoin board if you want to understand it better...actually i cannot give you any links because my common sources are all german...but maybe there is someone else around

I am the last to defend germans, but being blamed for everything bad because you're making too much good stuff is pretty weak. Greece needs to build competitive businesses. Italy needs to turn their brilliant "father and son" businesses and national champions towards global export (look at Fiat and several fashion brands). Spain has done a lot of things right but their willfully blind reliance on construction to keep growth up, rather than adjusting to the new economic reality after the new member states arrived in 2003, hurt the economy immensely. Ireland is pretty much back on its feet ( but the irish will always think that they are falling behind). Portugal is more of a problem, they have much of the same problems that Greece has except they haven't been fudging the numbers like Greece. But when the crisis hit, their problems were laid bare. If Germany, Finland, France and The Netherlands can't forgive Greece, then they should try to give a hand to Portugal and stop the contagion there.

as i said it is very complicated...it is not that i have anything against germany...the export strength (industry, cars,...) is just a huge factor...then came the sanctions on russia which changed the table a bit since russia is a big trading partner....ahh...it is way to complicated to explain here...it took me months on reading articles & books of different types and still i have no idea how we could get out of this misere...my biggest concern is that pro kiev nazi shit going on...and why the usa wants to put as basically into a war with russia...
anyway...i do think tsirpas could be the right man for the job (for the greeks)...a change was overdue

Be a bit more critical about your sources. There is no "pro kiev nazi shit" going on of any significance. Every country has racist nationalists, Russia and Greece as well, The current government in Kiev is run by moderates and liberals backed by part of the former Yanukovich party and part of the left. The ukranian Svoboda has 7 out of 450 seats in the ukranian parliament. Their militant equivalent Right Sector has one member in parliament and got one of their leaders, Muzychko, killed by the police under the current government. Don't underestimate the former KGBs ability to manipulate events and manipulate world opinion. Russia is the country where all the conspiracy theories are true.

They had a problem with a lot of bloggers and intellectuals pointing to the nordic countries and telling people how great society is in these places. And Finland and Sweden are neutral countries outside of NATO so Kreml couldn't convincingly claim that they were evil in that respect.  So Kreml started a campaign against the child protection services of the nordic countries. Likening them to nazi purification programs and telling Russians that they will steal your baby if you visit those countries. And because no russians dare to talk to the child protection services of those countries now, they have a lot of cases where they are completely stuck. So Russia starts accusing these countries of one kidnapping after the other, and since these cases are confidential the nordic child protection services cannot offer specifics. Russia knows this so they know that they then can accuse these countries of intentionally trying to hide their crimes... and so it goes on and on and on.

If you switch out Film Actors Guild with europeans and Kim Jong Il with Putin, this speech shuld be illuminating:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32iCWzpDpKs

Sorry if it's a bit much.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=98c_1420756264

i know...i did not put a lot of effort into finding an english source...jazenjuk is not somebody...they may not be the majority but they are "also" in power....then there was also the odessa incident...the miliz is basically a neo nazi group...and so on...

[AizenSou]

Personally i have a hard time valuating Darkcoin at over 300k, but heh. The price is decided by that bull whale and as soon as he will stop being greedy and start taking profit, the whole domino will collapse in a blink of an eye.

The most funny troll ever, who is overjoy from 70$ profit. LOL.

I agree that this forum becomes more and more weird.

[Fatman3001]

Are you insane or just stupid? What good does it do to "sell" exports to people on credit when they default on the credit? How beneficial is it to give your stuff away? A trade surplus just means you're giving more stuff than you're getting. That's BAD not good. A weak currency helps your exporters but hurts you when you have to import the raw materials and energy. It's also terrible for capital formation (savings). There's a name for a condition where everybody works but nobody gets paid. It's called "slavery".

he is right with the german export blitz...it is not that easy to understand at first...but most european countries suffer mostly because of the german export strength...especially the "weaker" southern states have a major problem...it is a very complex scenario and you should read much more into it than some posts on a bitcoin board if you want to understand it better...actually i cannot give you any links because my common sources are all german...but maybe there is someone else around

I am the last to defend germans, but being blamed for everything bad because you're making too much good stuff is pretty weak. Greece needs to build competitive businesses. Italy needs to turn their brilliant "father and son" businesses and national champions towards global export (look at Fiat and several fashion brands). Spain has done a lot of things right but their willfully blind reliance on construction to keep growth up, rather than adjusting to the new economic reality after the new member states arrived in 2003, hurt the economy immensely. Ireland is pretty much back on its feet ( but the irish will always think that they are falling behind). Portugal is more of a problem, they have much of the same problems that Greece has except they haven't been fudging the numbers like Greece. But when the crisis hit, their problems were laid bare. If Germany, Finland, France and The Netherlands can't forgive Greece, then they should try to give a hand to Portugal and stop the contagion there.

as i said it is very complicated...it is not that i have anything against germany...the export strength (industry, cars,...) is just a huge factor...then came the sanctions on russia which changed the table a bit since russia is a big trading partner....ahh...it is way to complicated to explain here...it took me months on reading articles & books of different types and still i have no idea how we could get out of this misere...my biggest concern is that pro kiev nazi shit going on...and why the usa wants to put as basically into a war with russia...
anyway...i do think tsirpas could be the right man for the job (for the greeks)...a change was overdue

Be a bit more critical about your sources. There is no "pro kiev nazi shit" going on of any significance. Every country has racist nationalists, Russia and Greece as well, The current government in Kiev is run by moderates and liberals backed by part of the former Yanukovich party and part of the left. The ukranian Svoboda has 7 out of 450 seats in the ukranian parliament. Their militant equivalent Right Sector has one member in parliament and got one of their leaders, Muzychko, killed by the police under the current government. Don't underestimate the former KGBs ability to manipulate events and manipulate world opinion. Russia is the country where all the conspiracy theories are true.

They had a problem with a lot of bloggers and intellectuals pointing to the nordic countries and telling people how great society is in these places. And Finland and Sweden are neutral countries outside of NATO so Kreml couldn't convincingly claim that they were evil in that respect.  So Kreml started a campaign against the child protection services of the nordic countries. Likening them to nazi purification programs and telling Russians that they will steal your baby if you visit those countries. And because no russians dare to talk to the child protection services of those countries now, they have a lot of cases where they are completely stuck. So Russia starts accusing these countries of one kidnapping after the other, and since these cases are confidential the nordic child protection services cannot offer specifics. Russia knows this so they know that they then can accuse these countries of intentionally trying to hide their crimes... and so it goes on and on and on.

If you switch out Film Actors Guild with europeans and Kim Jong Il with Putin, this speech shuld be illuminating:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32iCWzpDpKs

Sorry if it's a bit much.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=98c_1420756264

i know...i did not put a lot of effort into finding an english source...jazenjuk is not somebody...they may not be the majority but they are "also" in power....then there was also the odessa incident...the miliz is basically a neo nazi group...and so on...

Thinking that the soviet union were bigger a-holes than the germans doesn't make you a nazi. A bit stupid or naive, but not nazi. His party isn't nazi either, but Ukraine is under attack by Russia, so you might find some comments emanating from Ukraine that are quite hostile to Russia.

I am sure Saakashvili doesn't normally eat ties, but when the Red Army comes knocking you can loose it a bit.

[jaredboice]

Personally i have a hard time valuating Darkcoin at over 300k, but heh. The price is decided by that bull whale and as soon as he will stop being greedy and start taking profit, the whole domino will collapse in a blink of an eye.

The most funny troll ever, who is overjoy from 70$ profit. LOL.

I agree that this forum becomes more and more weird.

judging by the posting history of the couple darkcoin haters over the past few pages of this thread, they also tend to post bitcoin FUD as well.  So why are they here?  Therefore: Trolls

[YourMother]

Personally i have a hard time valuating Darkcoin at over 300k, but heh. The price is decided by that bull whale and as soon as he will stop being greedy and start taking profit, the whole domino will collapse in a blink of an eye.

The most funny troll ever, who is overjoy from 70$ profit. LOL.

I agree that this forum becomes more and more weird.

Great to read this from a Digibyte/Burstcoin bagholder ( and that's what i got only from the first page ). The thing is that you forgot to add that amount in 5 minutes. Now you know that you have to eat donkey dick for at least 2 months in Tegucigalpa for that amount, but It doesn't matter though. You keep grinding! And you stay persistent! Can you please show me your btc bag ? I know many retards on the internet that are acting like they are rich.

Thank you!

[razorramon]

@fatman. It makes no sense to talk about it anyway. I said it took me months to know what i know. I read in Every Direction. This is fucked. And i can assure You that giving the kiev leaders weapons will not soften that Problem.
Why are they the ukrainian leaders? Half of the country was not even allowed to vote

[AizenSou]

Personally i have a hard time valuating Darkcoin at over 300k, but heh. The price is decided by that bull whale and as soon as he will stop being greedy and start taking profit, the whole domino will collapse in a blink of an eye.

The most funny troll ever, who is overjoy from 70$ profit. LOL.

I agree that this forum becomes more and more weird.

Great to read this from a Digibyte/Burstcoin bagholder ( and that's what i got only from the first page ). The thing is that you forgot to add that amount in 5 minutes. Now we both now that you have to eat donkey dick for at least 2 months in Tegucigalpa for that amount, but It doesn't matter though. You keep grinding! And you stay persistent! Can you please show me your btc bag ? I know many retards on the internet that are acting like they are rich.

Thank you!

You're too educational for a troll, sounds like a paid troll. I'm a bag holder from a lot of shitcoins, who cares? Since your posts are contributing only shit, you should be proud that someone like me notices you LOL.

[Fatman3001]

@fatman. It makes no sense to talk about it anyway. I said it took me months to know what i know. I read in Every Direction. This is fucked. And i can assure You that giving the kiev leaders weapons will not soften that Problem.
Why are they the ukrainian leaders? Half of the country was not even allowed to vote

Well, those months were obviously a waste. Most of us who are interested in international politics have been keeping an eye on these things for decades, and being critical of your sources is alpha and omega in the internet era. But go ahead, be a Kreml stooge. I am struggling to care.

[YourMother]

Personally i have a hard time valuating Darkcoin at over 300k, but heh. The price is decided by that bull whale and as soon as he will stop being greedy and start taking profit, the whole domino will collapse in a blink of an eye.

The most funny troll ever, who is overjoy from 70$ profit. LOL.

I agree that this forum becomes more and more weird.

judging by the posting history of the couple darkcoin haters over the past few pages of this thread, they also tend to post bitcoin FUD as well.  So why are they here?  Therefore: Trolls

I have an immense respect for Evan Duffield and the team, so no, i'm not a DRK hater. Besides what i wrote, I even posted an image that clearly showed you the manipulation and you still had the nerves to come with this abortion of a comment. Have fun buying at the top of the pump, you useless fecal matter!

[Miz4r]

Don't underestimate the former KGBs ability to manipulate events and manipulate world opinion. Russia is the country where all the conspiracy theories are true.

Of course.. and the US isn't manipulating events and world opinion at all right? They both use the same methods and both sides are being manipulated by forces that go beyond individual countries. Come on don't be naive.

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[Fatman3001]

Don't underestimate the former KGBs ability to manipulate events and manipulate world opinion. Russia is the country where all the conspiracy theories are true.

Of course.. and the US isn't manipulating events and world opinion at all right? They both use the same methods and both sides are being manipulated by forces that go beyond individual countries. Come on don't be naive.

I obviously opened a can worms here. Where is that Reptilian dude when we need him?

[MilesJohan]

Don't underestimate the former KGBs ability to manipulate events and manipulate world opinion. Russia is the country where all the conspiracy theories are true.

Of course.. and the US isn't manipulating events and world opinion at all right? They both use the same methods and both sides are being manipulated by forces that go beyond individual countries. Come on don't be naive.

I obviously opened a can worms here. Where is that Reptilian dude when we need him?

He should be back soon. probably Waiting in the corner.

[Miz4r]

Don't underestimate the former KGBs ability to manipulate events and manipulate world opinion. Russia is the country where all the conspiracy theories are true.

Of course.. and the US isn't manipulating events and world opinion at all right? They both use the same methods and both sides are being manipulated by forces that go beyond individual countries. Come on don't be naive.

I obviously opened a can worms here. Where is that Reptilian dude when we need him?

I'm not talking about reptilians, I'm talking about you believing in all kinds of Russian conspiracies and thinking the US has none of that going on lol.

[jaredboice]

Personally i have a hard time valuating Darkcoin at over 300k, but heh. The price is decided by that bull whale and as soon as he will stop being greedy and start taking profit, the whole domino will collapse in a blink of an eye.

The most funny troll ever, who is overjoy from 70$ profit. LOL.

I agree that this forum becomes more and more weird.

judging by the posting history of the couple darkcoin haters over the past few pages of this thread, they also tend to post bitcoin FUD as well.  So why are they here?  Therefore: Trolls

I have an immense respect for Evan Duffield and the team, so no, i'm not a DRK hater. Besides what i wrote, I even posted an image that clearly showed you the manipulation and you still had the nerves to come with this abortion of a comment. Have fun buying at the top of the pump, you useless fecal matter!

I bought at 67 cents you worthless troll.  You could post a factual image of Jesus and Moses dumping Darkcoins and judging by your past trolling history, I'd still know that you were trolling.  Not to mention your assumptions that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a bag holder (when clearly I'm still up my hundreds of percent).  Have fun being a a useless pile of dung

[jaredboice]

YourMother officially added to my ignore list.  I suggest others do the same

[fonzie]

YourMother officially added to my ignore list.  I suggest others do the same

Ok noted, thanks for your advice! Bagholder!

[jaredboice]

YourMother officially added to my ignore list.  I suggest others do the same

Ok noted, thanks for your advice! Bagholder!

And fonzie is added to ignore as well.  Anyone who uses the term, "Bagholder" or "Bulltard" or "Shitcoin" might as well be walking around with a sign that says, "I'm a paid internet Troll and here's my Bitcoin FUD for the day"

[YourMother]

YourMother officially added to my ignore list.  I suggest others do the same

[jaredboice]

YourMother: "This Troll is Currently Ignored."