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October 17, 2015, 10:15:36 PM

@ Fatman ... yup ... I agree - someone's paying for dem coins whichever way you cut it  Wink

it took me both of my brain cells to get to that conclusion

I had to borrow couple of extra ones

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<hangs head in shame>
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October 17, 2015, 10:19:20 PM

Successful mining requires a specialized skill set. Successful trading requires a completely different specialized skill set.  Very few people are gifted to possess both. enough. In general, even successful miners lose some profit trading and some of the best traders lose money mining. 

Miners will sell too many coins at low prices and too few at high prices. That's we we have such high volatility. Successful traders buy low and sell high, reducing volatility, but traders don't get the coins first. Miners do.

bumping myself. I think this bears repeating.

Possible head and shoulders forming, but I don't think I'm going to trade it. I already sold all the coins I'm comfortable selling in this range.
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October 17, 2015, 10:22:23 PM

... Could you offer TL;DR of how you've arrived at 250MW?  Not doubting you, just wondering what that number is meant to represent.

The network is at 500 petahash  and the machines are pulling an average of 0.5w/gh (Ant s3 0.7w/gh, SP-tech 0.6w/gh, ant s5 0.5w/gh and newer gear 0.25w/gh).

You might be missing some details:
1. It's safe to assume that any [already purchased] gear will be kept online as long as it mines more coin than it costs to run.  And 'costs to run' = electricity + cheap warehouse space.

A very large portion of the miners today are old Ant S3's. But a lot of mines will simply replace miners rather than upgrade capacity when things are as marginal as they are now.
What is the logic behind upgrading (investing in new gear) 'when things are as marginal as they are now'? Wouldn't it make more sense to simply keep the old gear running, with no additional investment, while it's making money? 
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Some will sell the old gear on ...
Unless the old gear is sold as paperweights/door stops, it will hash until it either dies or becomes unprofitable to run.  Who cares if it's in a factory farm or has been sold to a hobby farmer?
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Cooling is a lot cheaper in purpose built mining centers. ... Maybe 3.7%?
Yeah, Chinese chicken coops are less exotic than actual data centers, but still...
But certainly not 3.7%, or else...
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... the dutch and belgian mining operations with 20 cents per kw/h went first. While areas with 2 cent kw/h are booming. It's a volatile market.
There really were factory farms running on $.20 power? Shocked
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I didn't see this image around and I felt like this would be the best thread to post it (instead of starting a new thread). Bitcoin was mentioned at the beginning of Dope (movie released in 2015).


@Whoever said that we were crashing: the price is actively fluctuating. We have reached $270 again and came back to $266.91 again on Bitstamp.
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I didn't see this image around and I felt like this would be the best thread to post it (instead of starting a new thread). Bitcoin was mentioned at the beginning of Dope.


@Whoever said that we were crashing: the price is actively fluctuating. We have reached $270 again and came back to $266.91 again on Bitstamp.

Bloody hell. Is that what kids are wearing these days in America??
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Bloody hell. Is that what kids are wearing these days in America??

Shirts? Yup. They came over from the Old World about three years ago. All the Americans I've met were delighted to throw those smocks away.
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Bloody hell. Is that what kids are wearing these days in America??

Shirts? Yup. They came over from the Old World about three years ago. All the Americans I've met were delighted to throw those smocks away.

I think he might also have been talking about the thing on his head  Cheesy
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Bloody hell. Is that what kids are wearing these days in America??

Shirts? Yup. They came over from the Old World about three years ago. All the Americans I've met were delighted to throw those smocks away.

I think he might also have been talking about the thing on his head  Cheesy

Hair in the Americas goes back decades. Roll Eyes
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Bloody hell. Is that what kids are wearing these days in America??

Shirts? Yup. They came over from the Old World about three years ago. All the Americans I've met were delighted to throw those smocks away.

I think he might also have been talking about the thing on his head  Cheesy

Hair in the Americas goes back decades. Roll Eyes

Yeh, I've seen Donald Trump ... nothing new there for a decade or two
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Hair in the Americas goes back decades. Roll Eyes

April 14th 1981. John Young, commander of the first shuttle flight, brought hair back to the US from space for the first time. I guess all those Apollos and Gemini hadn't been in the right orbit to find it. Ever since then it's become a very popular addition to American life.
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Hair in the Americas goes back decades. Roll Eyes

April 14th 1981. John Young, commander of the first shuttle flight, brought hair back to the US from space for the first time. I guess all those Apollos and Gemini hadn't been in the right orbit to find it. Ever since then it's become a very popular addition to American life.

 Cheesy

Did he introduce the 'landing strip' too ?
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 Cheesy

Did he introduce the 'landing strip' too ?

He's a very modest guy but the answer is yes. They didn't know how to get a spacecraft back on the ground but they decided to go up anyway and figure it out while buzzing around. The rest is history.
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October 17, 2015, 10:56:59 PM

this doesn't looks good.

2013 again?
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this doesn't looks good.

2013 again?

huh? what do you mean??
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Exciting times ahead for crypto!
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Exciting times ahead for crypto! bitcoin!

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this doesn't looks good.

2013 again?

2013??

Bring it on!
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Bloody hell. Is that what kids are wearing these days in America??

Shirts? Yup. They came over from the Old World about three years ago. All the Americans I've met were delighted to throw those smocks away.

Is that all the remarkable clothing features you can distinguish in that pic?  Cheesy
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October 18, 2015, 12:01:08 AM

... Could you offer TL;DR of how you've arrived at 250MW?  Not doubting you, just wondering what that number is meant to represent.

The network is at 500 petahash  and the machines are pulling an average of 0.5w/gh (Ant s3 0.7w/gh, SP-tech 0.6w/gh, ant s5 0.5w/gh and newer gear 0.25w/gh).

You might be missing some details:
1. It's safe to assume that any [already purchased] gear will be kept online as long as it mines more coin than it costs to run.  And 'costs to run' = electricity + cheap warehouse space.

A very large portion of the miners today are old Ant S3's. But a lot of mines will simply replace miners rather than upgrade capacity when things are as marginal as they are now.
What is the logic behind upgrading (investing in new gear) 'when things are as marginal as they are now'? Wouldn't it make more sense to simply keep the old gear running, with no additional investment, while it's making money? 

If you have paid for a 500KW facility with with shelves for 500 machines, 500 psu's, 500 power outlets, Network with 500 lan cables, 10 power distribution units. 5 industrial grade fans, and so on, It makes a lot of sense to migrate to a more power efficient miner and turn your 500TH facility to a 1.5PH facility.

The machines will become obsolete anyway. The facility won't. And with margins the way they are, a lot of miners will try to optimize the capacity they already have rather than build/buy a new facility.

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Some will sell the old gear on ...
Unless the old gear is sold as paperweights/door stops, it will hash until it either dies or becomes unprofitable to run.  Who cares if it's in a factory farm or has been sold to a hobby farmer?

If you have 50 or 500 used machines you might try selling them on e-bay or through BCT. But if you have 10000 very used nearly obsolete machines, it might make more sense just stripping them for parts and chucking them in the bin.

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Cooling is a lot cheaper in purpose built mining centers. ... Maybe 3.7%?
Yeah, Chinese chicken coops are less exotic than actual data centers, but still...
But certainly not 3.7%, or else...

There seems to be a trend now that involves not putting bitcoin mines in the tropic.

But even in warmer areas cruder solutions lead to massive power savings.



Here you see wet paper on the right and fans pulling air out on the left. Thus pulling humidified air through the wet cool paper.



Paper being kept wet with some pcp piping.

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... the dutch and belgian mining operations with 20 cents per kw/h went first. While areas with 2 cent kw/h are booming. It's a volatile market.
There really were factory farms running on $.20 power? Shocked

In late 2013 you would earn $30 per kw/h with an early KnC asic. Some people didn't plan ahead.
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