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October 14, 2017, 03:32:33 PM

CoinJoin, JoinMarket, Shuffle-what-ever-thingies. ... taint is pretty much useless if someone knew to mix or premix bitcoins. Granted, it's not being done by "normal" people yet, only those in that irc chat room or something that do these transactions. But it will catch on.

We still don't have a usable technology to mix transactions that does not consume even more on-chain block space. Which is, of course, space we don't have on the 1MB4EVAH chain.

#justsayin'

There's something coming up about private transactions, or schnorr signatures ... and if the value or amount of bitcoins is small enough, you can easily do it yourself maybe. Not sure. It's new. I don't know who's testing it, I'm not in that loop.

In the meantime, the tech I already mentioned allows you to mix your transactions with others at the time you need to do it, maybe delayed by a few minutes or so. I would just personally mix my coins first before spending them myself, instead of mixing and spending at the same time.
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October 14, 2017, 03:52:15 PM

I need your help or advice, bittrex is blocking members account I immediately removed all my funds from bittrex, but what other exchange can I use?

I need some exchange that is not equal to poloniex, bittrex or yobit.

I need a professional exchange, that answer support tickets.
Try Kraken. They run their server on a toaster, but they don't fuck around with people.

not true, I got jerked around royally by Kraken, lost a lot of money in the process
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October 14, 2017, 04:05:30 PM

I need your help or advice, bittrex is blocking members account I immediately removed all my funds from bittrex, but what other exchange can I use?

I need some exchange that is not equal to poloniex, bittrex or yobit.

I need a professional exchange, that answer support tickets.
Try Kraken. They run their server on a toaster, but they don't fuck around with people.

not true, I got jerked around royally by Kraken, lost a lot of money in the process

Explain a bit more jojo, I have no bad experiences with them, to the contrary even... .
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October 14, 2017, 04:06:14 PM

I need your help or advice, bittrex is blocking members account I immediately removed all my funds from bittrex, but what other exchange can I use?

I need some exchange that is not equal to poloniex, bittrex or yobit.

I need a professional exchange, that answer support tickets.

what about Bitfinex and Bitstamp?
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October 14, 2017, 04:06:19 PM

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You can use yubikey on kraken. I don't trust anything google anymore.

You can also run FreeOTP:
https://freeotp.github.io/

(FreeOTP is sponsored and officially published by Red Hat)

It uses the same standards as Google 2FA (HOTP and TOTP) and therefore works everywhere
where Google 2FA works.

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October 14, 2017, 04:30:16 PM

I need your help or advice, bittrex is blocking members account I immediately removed all my funds from bittrex, but what other exchange can I use?

I need some exchange that is not equal to poloniex, bittrex or yobit.

I need a professional exchange, that answer support tickets.

what about Bitfinex and Bitstamp?

Kraken? Coinbase? Depends really where in the world you are.

Some are easier than others depending on this.
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October 14, 2017, 04:35:01 PM


Why do you bother, just repeating all the lies.



First of all, I apologize for my bad English.

From my point of view they are not lies.
I live in a Latin American country. Little by little, they approach my people interested in bitcoin, and before yesterday, one of those people bought. It made its transaction with a fee of 1.5 dollars, and it took a couple of hours to be confirmed. An unattractive experience for someone who starts with cryptocurrencys.
For a person from the United States, Europe, or any developed country, $ 1.5 may seem like a small amount, but here, in a country with high inflation, it is no small matter.
In theory, bitcoin emerged as an alternative system in the midst of a crisis, as an opportunity for unbanked people, to make things more just. Bitcoin, slowly, is giving away users, merchants and utility to other cryptocurrencys.

In addition, Sewgit with regard to code, is much more complex than an increase in block size. I agree that changes to the protocol should be well tested and audited, but Core has had much more than a year to do the research and testing needed for a block size increase.
Independent of the quality of its developers, Core has shown great intransigence, lack of will, and poor political coordination.

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There is lots of spam in the mempool you can see the transactions, look at what they contain.

Ok, it's not real adoption ... and we do not need cheaper transactions and predictable confirmations.


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There is no such thing as lightning coins, and it won't support fractional reservere.

Lightning Coin is a euphemism.
As another user mentioned in this thread, it would take 30 years for each person on the planet to open and close a lightning channel. And although maybe bitcoin will never use it all, eventually 1MB will not cater. How will I get my bitcoin bought in an exchange if the network does not support low-cost transactions?

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Most Core Devs believe that the block size will increase when its actually necessary.

I would be very grateful if you could indicate where these statements are. However, Core is not a unified entity. As you will know, developers in the past have already signed up for an increase in block size, agreement that is not respected.
There are even developers who think 1MB per forever is enough.

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The more people who run a node the better, strength of the network comes from everyone having a stake and not just relying on miners to protect us.

I agree, nodes are important, but we must also consider that the more users get the bitcoin network, we will potentially have many more nodes than they now exist.

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These are not even points for debate, your statements are just lies.

I repeat, they are not lies. It was just an absurd and ironic point of view.
I love Bitcoin, it's always been that way. But it frustrates me to see intransigence, discord and hate in the community. It bothers me that some want to move forward and leave others out, when those "others" were the ones who gave life to the network in its early years (I mean foot users, not speculators, small businesses, miners, etc).
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October 14, 2017, 05:23:18 PM


Explain a bit more jojo, I have no bad experiences with them, to the contrary even... .

Kraken suspended operations in my jurisdiction on very short notice.  Trading on my account was suddenly disabled and I was unable to wind up my positions.  "Support" was like talking to a brick wall.  On the rare occasion I was able to elicit any response at all I was passed from team to team and it was abundantly clear that the right hand did not know what the left hand was doing, nor did anyone seem to really care.

After weeks of this I was finally able to get rudimentary functionality re-enabled so I could convert to crypto and withdraw at a significant loss.

This was all on a verified account mind you.  I personally would rather burn their offices to the ground than do business with them again, you have been warned.
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October 14, 2017, 06:00:08 PM

A late and very hung-over good morning Bitcoinland.

After a day of consolidation, it seems we're on the rise again... currently $5741USD/$7158CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

AltCash going sideways at $320USD/$399CAD (Coinmarketcap).

Onward and upward. Go Bitcoin go.
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October 14, 2017, 06:07:28 PM

A late and very hung-over good morning Bitcoinland.

After a day of consolidation, it seems we're on the rise again... currently $5741USD/$7158CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

AltCash going sideways at $320USD/$399CAD (Coinmarketcap).

Onward and upward. Go Bitcoin go.


Always love the Jimbo updates. I'm going to come and have a beer with you one day Jim. I'll be rich, you'll be richer.
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Why do you bother, just repeating all the lies.



First of all, I apologize for my bad English.

From my point of view they are not lies.
I live in a Latin American country. Little by little, they approach my people interested in bitcoin, and before yesterday, one of those people bought. It made its transaction with a fee of 1.5 dollars, and it took a couple of hours to be confirmed. An unattractive experience for someone who starts with cryptocurrencys.
For a person from the United States, Europe, or any developed country, $ 1.5 may seem like a small amount, but here, in a country with high inflation, it is no small matter.
In theory, bitcoin emerged as an alternative system in the midst of a crisis, as an opportunity for unbanked people, to make things more just. Bitcoin, slowly, is giving away users, merchants and utility to other cryptocurrencys.

In addition, Sewgit with regard to code, is much more complex than an increase in block size. I agree that changes to the protocol should be well tested and audited, but Core has had much more than a year to do the research and testing needed for a block size increase.
Independent of the quality of its developers, Core has shown great intransigence, lack of will, and poor political coordination.

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There is lots of spam in the mempool you can see the transactions, look at what they contain.

Ok, it's not real adoption ... and we do not need cheaper transactions and predictable confirmations.


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There is no such thing as lightning coins, and it won't support fractional reservere.

Lightning Coin is a euphemism.
As another user mentioned in this thread, it would take 30 years for each person on the planet to open and close a lightning channel. And although maybe bitcoin will never use it all, eventually 1MB will not cater. How will I get my bitcoin bought in an exchange if the network does not support low-cost transactions?

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Most Core Devs believe that the block size will increase when its actually necessary.

I would be very grateful if you could indicate where these statements are. However, Core is not a unified entity. As you will know, developers in the past have already signed up for an increase in block size, agreement that is not respected.
There are even developers who think 1MB per forever is enough.

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The more people who run a node the better, strength of the network comes from everyone having a stake and not just relying on miners to protect us.

I agree, nodes are important, but we must also consider that the more users get the bitcoin network, we will potentially have many more nodes than they now exist.

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These are not even points for debate, your statements are just lies.

I repeat, they are not lies. It was just an absurd and ironic point of view.
I love Bitcoin, it's always been that way. But it frustrates me to see intransigence, discord and hate in the community. It bothers me that some want to move forward and leave others out, when those "others" were the ones who gave life to the network in its early years (I mean foot users, not speculators, small businesses, miners, etc).


I'll speak more generally, we all want Bitcoin to scale, eventually to probably millions of transactions every few minutes.
If transactions are extremely cheap (such as $0.01) the blocks will be full of spam, some jerk will fill them up. So we need a fee market to find an equilibrium between cheapest fees and spam prevention.

Although it is probably technically possible, it seems excessive to require a payments system to remember & process every single transaction, I mean if I buy a coffee in Tokyo, do I really need to send that information to 1000's of nodes around the world. Can we achieve security & decentralised consensus of my holdings without that?

So this is where lightning comes in, you get all the benefits of Bitcoin without the on-chain foot print. I'm not sure how lightning will develop but I can imagine you will  occasionally create an on chain transaction to open the channel, it will have a some of your coins in, and this last you days/weeks/months before you need to close it.
One of my biggest issues with Bitcoin has been the 10 minute confirmation time, 0-conf is insecure, so how do I reliably buy a something in say a shop  without waiting for confirmation, L2 is the answer.

So rather than perpetually increasing the block size, which is the lazy approach to scaling, I think the Core Dev's are trying to implement a bunch of other optimisations and improvements to maximise the efficiency of the network.

I don't have references to Core Dev's saying they would like a block size increase to happen at some point, but the only Dev I know who wants small blocks (actually he wants a reduction in size to 300k) is Luke-jr. I believe we will need to increase the block size, probably very substantially at some point, but first we need to optimise the entire system, MAST, Schnorr, side chains etc. Then we can scale the blocks as required.

If you want Bitcoin to improve rapidly in a co-ordinated and efficient approach then a centralised power structure would be far better.  Bitcoin is  the first de-centralised system, we are all learning how its going to work (or fail). The best hope we have of retaining a non-centralised power structure is by fighting to keep it away from corporations and other powerful entities. If we fail to do this, it just becomes just another payments system and loses all it's value.
Throughout history centralised power structures have emerged from almost every situation, but Bitcoin is hopefully different. It's going to take time, but we have time, lets not rush it, let's get it right. The people desperate to fix the block size are those who are financially invested, they need these upgrades to support their businesses. They think Bitcoin should adjust to fit in with what they need so they can build faster and therefore Bitcoin can
grow faster.  If we placate these businesses, Bitcoin will grow faster, but it will be at the expense of de-centralisation.

This fork is not about 2x block size increase, it is about sacking core and replacing them with dev's who will conform. I know high fees are painful, but if the miners hadn't resisted segwit a couple of years ago we would be a lot further down the road of Bitcoin improvements. It is not the Core Devs who are holding back development. This is illustrated by the 'no replay protection' in 2x, clearly this is designed to attack the existing chain and destroy it, thereby sacking the Core devs.
I believe the best solution for those who don't like Segwit and the current chain is to go to BCash, we can then compete in the market without the war.
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October 14, 2017, 06:32:33 PM

Always love the Jimbo updates. I'm going to come and have a beer with you one day Jim. I'll be rich, you'll be richer.

Thanx.

Actually as long as we both have our friends, family and health, we're already both rich.

A nice bag full of bitcoins helps though. Money may not buy everything but what it doesn't buy comes easier if you have lots of money.  Cheesy
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October 14, 2017, 06:43:48 PM

I lost several bitcoin on the new sharex exchange so beware people. Id be much richer now if not for scams.    Undecided lets hope they burn in karma at least.


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I lost several bitcoin on the new sharex exchange so beware people. Id be much richer now if not for scams.    Undecided lets hope they burn in karma at least.


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i've never heard of it. what does it exchange and how did you lose it?
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Im starting to feel uncertain about this exchanges... i hope cex.io dont screw me up cause all my btc is there Sad
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Im starting to feel uncertain about this exchanges... i hope cex.io dont screw me up cause all my btc is there Sad

why is it on there?

there's no reason to leave crypto on there. there is a reason to leave dollars because it takes days to move.

unless you're a psycho trader supreme you can wait 10-30 minutes to get your safe crypto into a dangerous exchange. get it off there now.
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Explain a bit more jojo, I have no bad experiences with them, to the contrary even... .

Kraken suspended operations in my jurisdiction on very short notice.  Trading on my account was suddenly disabled and I was unable to wind up my positions.  "Support" was like talking to a brick wall.  On the rare occasion I was able to elicit any response at all I was passed from team to team and it was abundantly clear that the right hand did not know what the left hand was doing, nor did anyone seem to really care.

After weeks of this I was finally able to get rudimentary functionality re-enabled so I could convert to crypto and withdraw at a significant loss.

This was all on a verified account mind you.  I personally would rather burn their offices to the ground than do business with them again, you have been warned.
What is your jurisdiction? Just in case it's close.
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October 14, 2017, 07:44:40 PM

the only Dev I know who wants small blocks (actually he wants a reduction in size to 300k) is Luke-jr.

This should automatically render any opinion he has about Bitcoin moot, and his opinions should be utterly disregarded.

The guy is arguably one the fruitier cakes in Bitcoin-Land.

And this is coming from me; probably the fruitiest cake on these forums...
He is actively trying to harm the entire bitcoin ecosystem. Or he is legit retarded, which is just as bad. Either way.
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Explain a bit more jojo, I have no bad experiences with them, to the contrary even... .

Kraken suspended operations in my jurisdiction on very short notice.  Trading on my account was suddenly disabled and I was unable to wind up my positions.  "Support" was like talking to a brick wall.  On the rare occasion I was able to elicit any response at all I was passed from team to team and it was abundantly clear that the right hand did not know what the left hand was doing, nor did anyone seem to really care.

After weeks of this I was finally able to get rudimentary functionality re-enabled so I could convert to crypto and withdraw at a significant loss.

This was all on a verified account mind you.  I personally would rather burn their offices to the ground than do business with them again, you have been warned.
What is your jurisdiction? Just in case it's close.

it is a US state, read the fine print carefully
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October 14, 2017, 08:02:51 PM

the only Dev I know who wants small blocks (actually he wants a reduction in size to 300k) is Luke-jr.

This should automatically render any opinion he has about Bitcoin moot, and his opinions should be utterly disregarded.

The guy is arguably one the fruitier cakes in Bitcoin-Land.

And this is coming from me; probably the fruitiest cake on these forums...
He is actively trying to harm the entire bitcoin ecosystem. Or he is legit retarded, which is just as bad. Either way.

more of an idiot-savant, LJ is an odd dude
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