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[windjc]

" long slow decline "


markets climb slowly and drop fast.

thats just how it works

their will never be a  long slow decline.

You don't remember 2 years ago?

oh ya 2 years ago bitcoin was a mature market.

 2 years ago was a joke

There's kinda of long slow decline happening as we type.

[adamstgBit]

lol, continue to look for excuses.

its not an excuses
its a fact

and 2 years ago

we went down and down and down
because we had bad news after bad news after bad news.
it was brutal
but you know what i did
i looked past the bad news and i bought more and more as we went lower and lower.

[adamstgBit]

" long slow decline "


markets climb slowly and drop fast.

thats just how it works

their will never be a  long slow decline.

You don't remember 2 years ago?

oh ya 2 years ago bitcoin was a mature market.

 2 years ago was a joke

There's kinda of long slow decline happening as we type.

lol ok 3-5 days is a LONG TIME

[ElectricMucus]

lol, continue to look for excuses.

its not an excuses
its a fact

and 2 years ago

we went down and down and down
because we had bad news after bad news after bad news.
it was brutal
but you know what i did
i looked past the bad news and i bought more and more as we went lower and lower.

well, you took the words right out of my mouth.

[Davyd05]

" long slow decline "


markets climb slowly and drop fast.

thats just how it works

their will never be a  long slow decline.

You don't remember 2 years ago?

oh ya 2 years ago bitcoin was a mature market.

 2 years ago was a joke

There's kinda of long slow decline happening as we type.

lol ok 3-5 days is a LONG TIME

yea  3-5 day to retrace weeks of gains sounds fast opposed to slow...Mind you were stuck here on a Sat night watching it ping pong round 650-750 a whale can cripple us but anyone with the stomach can just wait out the bear winter to the future bull. And all the people with fiat can prosper on a chance to join back in. I can't wait till we revisit the whole debt ceiling in the new year lol

[adamstgBit]

" long slow decline "


markets climb slowly and drop fast.

thats just how it works

their will never be a  long slow decline.

You don't remember 2 years ago?

oh ya 2 years ago bitcoin was a mature market.

 2 years ago was a joke

There's kinda of long slow decline happening as we type.

lol ok 3-5 days is a LONG TIME

yea  3-5 day to retrace weeks of gains sounds fast opposed to slow...Mind you were stuck here on a Sat night watching it ping pong round 650-750 a whale can cripple us but anyone with the stomach can just wait out the bear winter to the future bull. And all the people with fiat can prosper on a chance to join back in. I can't wait till we revisit the whole debt ceiling in the new year lol

ill give you 1 guess what happens to the the debt ceiling

what a joke.

the only reason this fiat system is still going strong is because no one knows what's going on  or think their nothing they can do about it.

[erk]

It's times like these that you are glad that you can read Chinese, and not have to deal with clueless English newspapers. I summarized the PBC announcement

@Is the news out of China about banks & bitcoins good or bad news?

It's excellent news for bitcoin. Essentially bitcoin exchanges in China and bitcoin itself is going to be treated as a "commodity" rather than a "currency" and therefore not going to be subject to banking and currency control regulations. The only restrictions on bitcoin exchanges is that they will be subject to the standard internet censorship rules and they will need to get the identity of all users to prevent money laundering. Existing financial institutions will not be able to trade bitcoin, but this is a great thing for entrepreneurs.

Also, more excellent news out of Hong Kong. An HK bitcoin exchange basically shutdown and stole everyone's money. This is excellent news because within days, they have been caught and are likely going to go to jail. I'm very, very optimistic about Hong Kong "leading the way" for bitcoin.

The other good news is that the Chinese government understands bitcoin. According to the notice.

Bitcoin has the following four characteristics:

1) there is no central issuing authority 2) the total amount is limited 3) it is not geographically limited for acceptance 4) it is anonymous

According to the PBC, bitcoin is not a "true" currency because

1) there is no central issuing authority 2) there is no legal requirement that anyone accept bitcoin

Bitcoin is therefore a virtual commodity, and therefore is not subject to the laws regarding currency transactions, nor should circulate as a currency.

Also here are his thoughts on the overall climate in China regarding Bitcoin:

1) The PBC has basically given the green light for bitcoin trading and exchanges. They are trying to keep bitcoin trading "separate" from the other parts of the financial system so that if bitcoin blows up, then nothing bad will happen. The thing that I think they are worried about is a Lehman style situation in which something blowing up in derivatives brings down the rest of the economy.

The strategy of creating a ring fence around new markets is a very standard one in China. Hong Kong is an entire city that is ring fenced.

2) Not terribly much. It only started to get on the radar screen a month ago.

3) The main driver is that there are tons of money in China and no one knows what to do with it all. The traditional investments (real estate and stocks) have been closed off by government action since the government has made it clear they will kill any bubble in the real estate and stock markets. So the money is going into all sorts of "non-traditional" investments. Bitcoin is just one of them.

4) Geeks. So far it's not the type of thing that random people will buy.

5) It's not very mainstream. However, its taken the Chinese geek community by storm and there are a lot of geeks in China. As with a lot of Chinese things, the fraction of people in China who are geeks is small, but a small fraction times a billion is a lot of people.

6) No harder than it is to buy anything else online.

Bitcoin has not gotten much mainstream attention and its still something that is with geeks, but you have the perfect storm of a lot of other things. The main thing is that bitcoin has hit China exactly at the time where China is looking at restructuring its entire economy and financial system to move out of low tech industries into high tech ones. It also hit China at just the right time in the credit cycle. China has recovered from the 2008 crash and is just starting to enter into another boom phase (which will last about two to three years before the economy crashes again).

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1sbefw/chinese_investment_banker_says_what_nobody_in_the/

[beaconpcguru]

Bears are getting nervous about their shorts, I can smell the fear. 

[Davyd05]

Bears are getting nervous about their shorts, I can smell the fear.  

Hmm its been a roller coaster for a while.. but bitcoin does what it wants when it wants.. hard to predict when we'll break again.. I think it will coincide with a larger trader

[Cablez]

Bears are getting nervous about their shorts, I can smell the fear.  

Hmm its been a roller coaster for a while.. but bitcoin does what it wants when it wants.. hard to predict when we'll break again.. I think it will coincide with a larger trader

Doesn't it always?

[ChartBuddy]

[Davyd05]

Bears are getting nervous about their shorts, I can smell the fear.  

Hmm its been a roller coaster for a while.. but bitcoin does what it wants when it wants.. hard to predict when we'll break again.. I think it will coincide with a larger trader

Doesn't it always?

Yes I went for the most generic post I could. I think particularly now though it just seems like were ready to turn gravity off and go to the moon at any moment as well as we could see whale try and show us the bear floor.

Seems like my post is generic again lol

[beetcoin]

has this recent crash deterred any of the major retailers from accepting BTC? i know there isn't a whole lot of risk if they are using bitpay, but it's still negative news that could push them away.

[pera]

Bears are getting nervous about their shorts, I can smell the fear. 

I believe the only ones nervous here are those who didn't panic sell at 900 (or worse...). It took a month to reach the top, it will take at least 1 week to reach the bottom.

[adamstgBit]

It's times like these that you are glad that you can read Chinese, and not have to deal with clueless English newspapers. I summarized the PBC announcement

@Is the news out of China about banks & bitcoins good or bad news?

It's excellent news for bitcoin. Essentially bitcoin exchanges in China and bitcoin itself is going to be treated as a "commodity" rather than a "currency" and therefore not going to be subject to banking and currency control regulations. The only restrictions on bitcoin exchanges is that they will be subject to the standard internet censorship rules and they will need to get the identity of all users to prevent money laundering. Existing financial institutions will not be able to trade bitcoin, but this is a great thing for entrepreneurs.

Also, more excellent news out of Hong Kong. An HK bitcoin exchange basically shutdown and stole everyone's money. This is excellent news because within days, they have been caught and are likely going to go to jail. I'm very, very optimistic about Hong Kong "leading the way" for bitcoin.

The other good news is that the Chinese government understands bitcoin. According to the notice.

Bitcoin has the following four characteristics:

1) there is no central issuing authority 2) the total amount is limited 3) it is not geographically limited for acceptance 4) it is anonymous

According to the PBC, bitcoin is not a "true" currency because

1) there is no central issuing authority 2) there is no legal requirement that anyone accept bitcoin

Bitcoin is therefore a virtual commodity, and therefore is not subject to the laws regarding currency transactions, nor should circulate as a currency.

Also here are his thoughts on the overall climate in China regarding Bitcoin:

1) The PBC has basically given the green light for bitcoin trading and exchanges. They are trying to keep bitcoin trading "separate" from the other parts of the financial system so that if bitcoin blows up, then nothing bad will happen. The thing that I think they are worried about is a Lehman style situation in which something blowing up in derivatives brings down the rest of the economy.

The strategy of creating a ring fence around new markets is a very standard one in China. Hong Kong is an entire city that is ring fenced.

2) Not terribly much. It only started to get on the radar screen a month ago.

3) The main driver is that there are tons of money in China and no one knows what to do with it all. The traditional investments (real estate and stocks) have been closed off by government action since the government has made it clear they will kill any bubble in the real estate and stock markets. So the money is going into all sorts of "non-traditional" investments. Bitcoin is just one of them.

4) Geeks. So far it's not the type of thing that random people will buy.

5) It's not very mainstream. However, its taken the Chinese geek community by storm and there are a lot of geeks in China. As with a lot of Chinese things, the fraction of people in China who are geeks is small, but a small fraction times a billion is a lot of people.

6) No harder than it is to buy anything else online.

Bitcoin has not gotten much mainstream attention and its still something that is with geeks, but you have the perfect storm of a lot of other things. The main thing is that bitcoin has hit China exactly at the time where China is looking at restructuring its entire economy and financial system to move out of low tech industries into high tech ones. It also hit China at just the right time in the credit cycle. China has recovered from the 2008 crash and is just starting to enter into another boom phase (which will last about two to three years before the economy crashes again).

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1sbefw/chinese_investment_banker_says_what_nobody_in_the/

thank you for this clarification

[Cablez]

Yes I went for the most generic post I could. I think particularly now though it just seems like were ready to turn gravity off and go to the moon at any moment as well as we could see whale try and show us the bear floor.

Seems like my post is generic again lol

The bears are running out of time before the speculator's 'pre-buys' start tomorrow sometime waiting for the next choo choo.   It is almost like another language.

[adamstgBit]

OK bottle of wine #2

the future of bitcoin looks bright indeed!

Think I'll join you. Cheers.

i think i'm gana be sick.

[CryptStorm]

OK bottle of wine #2

the future of bitcoin looks bright indeed!

Think I'll join you. Cheers.

i think i'm gana be sick.

Oh noes!!! Remember chug-a-lug a liter or 4 of water before you sleep!!! I hatez those hangoverz!!! (puke if you have to, it's your thread!)

Cheers, buddy! 

[Davyd05]

OK bottle of wine #2

the future of bitcoin looks bright indeed!

Think I'll join you. Cheers.

i think i'm gana be sick.

Oh noes!!! Remember chug-a-lug a liter or 4 of water before you sleep!!! I hatez those hangoverz!!! (puke if you have to, it's your thread!)

Cheers, buddy! 

smoke a joint if you really want to puke, but the water is a must.

[ArticMine]

It's times like these that you are glad that you can read Chinese, and not have to deal with clueless English newspapers. I summarized the PBC announcement

@Is the news out of China about banks & bitcoins good or bad news?

It's excellent news for bitcoin. Essentially bitcoin exchanges in China and bitcoin itself is going to be treated as a "commodity" rather than a "currency" and therefore not going to be subject to banking and currency control regulations. The only restrictions on bitcoin exchanges is that they will be subject to the standard internet censorship rules and they will need to get the identity of all users to prevent money laundering. Existing financial institutions will not be able to trade bitcoin, but this is a great thing for entrepreneurs.

Also, more excellent news out of Hong Kong. An HK bitcoin exchange basically shutdown and stole everyone's money. This is excellent news because within days, they have been caught and are likely going to go to jail. I'm very, very optimistic about Hong Kong "leading the way" for bitcoin.

The other good news is that the Chinese government understands bitcoin. According to the notice.

Bitcoin has the following four characteristics:

1) there is no central issuing authority 2) the total amount is limited 3) it is not geographically limited for acceptance 4) it is anonymous

According to the PBC, bitcoin is not a "true" currency because

1) there is no central issuing authority 2) there is no legal requirement that anyone accept bitcoin

Bitcoin is therefore a virtual commodity, and therefore is not subject to the laws regarding currency transactions, nor should circulate as a currency.

Also here are his thoughts on the overall climate in China regarding Bitcoin:

1) The PBC has basically given the green light for bitcoin trading and exchanges. They are trying to keep bitcoin trading "separate" from the other parts of the financial system so that if bitcoin blows up, then nothing bad will happen. The thing that I think they are worried about is a Lehman style situation in which something blowing up in derivatives brings down the rest of the economy.

The strategy of creating a ring fence around new markets is a very standard one in China. Hong Kong is an entire city that is ring fenced.

2) Not terribly much. It only started to get on the radar screen a month ago.

3) The main driver is that there are tons of money in China and no one knows what to do with it all. The traditional investments (real estate and stocks) have been closed off by government action since the government has made it clear they will kill any bubble in the real estate and stock markets. So the money is going into all sorts of "non-traditional" investments. Bitcoin is just one of them.

4) Geeks. So far it's not the type of thing that random people will buy.

5) It's not very mainstream. However, its taken the Chinese geek community by storm and there are a lot of geeks in China. As with a lot of Chinese things, the fraction of people in China who are geeks is small, but a small fraction times a billion is a lot of people.

6) No harder than it is to buy anything else online.

Bitcoin has not gotten much mainstream attention and its still something that is with geeks, but you have the perfect storm of a lot of other things. The main thing is that bitcoin has hit China exactly at the time where China is looking at restructuring its entire economy and financial system to move out of low tech industries into high tech ones. It also hit China at just the right time in the credit cycle. China has recovered from the 2008 crash and is just starting to enter into another boom phase (which will last about two to three years before the economy crashes again).

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1sbefw/chinese_investment_banker_says_what_nobody_in_the/

thank you for this clarification

One very interesting aspect of all of this is that the Chinese exchanges are trading above MtGox, BTC-E and Bitstamp. http://btckan.com/price. It appears that those who understand the language, and the culture behind this announcement are not those that are the  leading bears.