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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl66EtM7sD0

Alessio Rastani predicts a retest of the 200 weekly, feels that bottom is close.

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January 12, 2019, 05:13:53 AM

I thought I had just seen a report indicating a majority of old wallets were inactive for the most part. Now I am seeing this..  Hows the worm sign out there?



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“It’s definitely a big shift. There’s more potential than usual for price swings.”

https://cointelegraph.com/news/long-dormant-bitcoin-whales-resuming-activity-could-rock-price-action-analysts-say

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January 12, 2019, 05:30:21 AM

Im bearish, thinking 3k is much more likely then 4k atm...

Let me be wrong satoshi :x
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Yeah, cost me $3718.

In fact nearly $20k at one point...
Neat, Was it worth not losing all of your other coins? I know the delay in sending larger amounts saved me 4 bitcoins at one time where i did a transfer and pulled the cable mid confirmation as I realized it was a phishing attempt.
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January 12, 2019, 05:57:32 AM

Im bearish, thinking 3k is much more likely then 4k atm...

Let me be wrong satoshi :x
Don't treat Satoshi as anything as a man, as far as we know he is the same as your local fat unshaved, smelly fedora wearing weeabo buying a coffee and sweating about talking to a women when ordering his coffee. The whole point of bitcoin was to not look towards a central figure.
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The general purpose public blockchains out there might best be understood as platforms for rule-breaking apps. (For if there are no rules being broken it becomes tempting to ask why a decentralized architecture is the best tool for the job.) If I were an investor I’d be asking any apps (or dApps) on top of these platforms the question “what rules are you breaking?”.

Start reading here:  

https://twitter.com/udiwertheimer/status/1083850679863648261?s=21
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This is what I use:
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Yeah, cost me $3718.

In fact nearly $20k at one point...

Here is what I use:



Cost me a few satoshis and I've been saving my bitcoins on it since last year. I don't see the point of hardware wallets if you are in bitcoin to hodl them.

To spend them actively i would still use my iphone for the job insead of hw wallets since I would carry my wealth in a paper wallet and my play money on my phone. But most importantly, it is just easier with a phone.

To me money spent on hw wallets is a waste. I would buy more crypto instead.
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+1  Cool  >> r.i.p. Hal = og bitcoin gangsta!!


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Just send him your merit load dumbf***...... ain’t doing shit with it Tongue

Thanks but... I don't want this guy's load.  Angry Grin
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January 12, 2019, 07:26:53 AM
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This is what I use:
https://imgflip.com/i/2qxztc

Yeah, cost me $3718.

In fact nearly $20k at one point...

Here is what I use:



Cost me a few satoshis and I've been saving my bitcoins on it since last year. I don't see the point of hardware wallets if you are in bitcoin to hodl them.

To spend them actively i would still use my iphone for the job insead of hw wallets since I would carry my wealth in a paper wallet and my play money on my phone. But most importantly, it is just easier with a phone.

To me money spent on hw wallets is a waste. I would buy more crypto instead.

It's really all about the value of the amount you are storing, and therefore the risk.

Paper wallet is fine for smaller amounts, but...
- Where do you store the paper wallet safely
- What happens if you are burgled and the thief steals the wallet (wether or not they know what to do with it)
- Where do you store a backup, (and increase the risk of compromise)?
- What happens if your house burns down?
- Something gets spilt on the wallet and obscures the ink.
- 3 Years later, and you've simply lost the wallet, or thrown it out accidentally.
- When you spend the wallet and enter the address into a computer, are you 100% sure that computer is totally free from trojans/viruses, an attacker could   steal the funds on the happy day when you cash-out.

These risks are small (ish) but if you had $100k or $100m, they would be much more important.

A paper wallet requires multiple diverse location copies, but each copy increases the risk of theft, and you need to trust someone else to look after other copies (family?)
So you can securely split the secret (Shamir's secret splitting https://iancoleman.io/shamir/) , you can then choose how many parts of the total eg. 2 of 3 are needed to reconstruct the private key,
Then split it - 1 copy with a good friend or your lawyer, 1 with a family member, and 1 in your safe.
As its 2 of 3, 1 person can lose their key and its not a problem, and both the family member and friend need to collude to steal you coins.
You could of course increase this from 2 of 3 to any value such as 4 of 7, whatever makes sense to you.

When you come to spend the paper wallet, you should use a clean machine, install a new version of the OS ,and then only the wallet software.
I wouldn't use brand new software releases and I would check the authenticity of the code using release signing keys or hashes.

If you really want to do it properly, you should probably read Glacier protocol https://glacierprotocol.org/, it discusses all the risks and possible solutions, you can then cherry pick the things you think are important to you.

You want to also factor in your own death to the scheme. Making sure 'your' people know about, and can actually  get possession of the coins without you.

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2019 SEC Six Examination Priorities.

(Has included crypto as one of its priorities.)

1. Matters of importance to retail investors, including seniors and those saving for retirement.
2. Compliance and risk in registrants responsible for critical market infrastructure.
3. Select areas and programs of FINRA and MSRB.
4. Digital Assets.
5. Cybersecurity.
6. Anti-Money Laundering.

https://www.sec.gov/files/OCIE%202019%20Priorities.pdf

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January 12, 2019, 07:49:00 AM

This is what I use:
https://imgflip.com/i/2qxztc

Yeah, cost me $3718.

In fact nearly $20k at one point...

Here is what I use:



Cost me a few satoshis and I've been saving my bitcoins on it since last year. I don't see the point of hardware wallets if you are in bitcoin to hodl them.

To spend them actively i would still use my iphone for the job insead of hw wallets since I would carry my wealth in a paper wallet and my play money on my phone. But most importantly, it is just easier with a phone.

To me money spent on hw wallets is a waste. I would buy more crypto instead.

It's really all about the value of the amount you are storing, and therefore the risk.

Paper wallet is fine for smaller amounts, but...
- Where do you store the paper wallet safely
- What happens if you are burgled and the thief steals the wallet (wether or not they know what to do with it)
- Where do you store a backup, (and increase the risk of compromise)?
- What happens if your house burns down?
- Something gets split on the wallet and obscures the ink.
- 3 Years later, and you've simply lost the wallet, or thrown it out accidentally.
- When you spend the wallet and enter the address into a computer, are you 100% sure that computer is totally free from trojans/viruses, an attacker could   steal the funds on the happy day when you cash-out.

These risks are small (ish) but if you had $100k or $100m, they would be much more important.

A paper wallet requires multiple diverse location copies, but each copy increases the risk of theft, and you need to trust someone else to look after other copies (family?)
So you can securely split the secret (Shamir's secret splitting https://iancoleman.io/shamir/) , you can then choose how many parts of the total eg. 2 of 3 are needed to reconstruct the private key,
Then split it - 1 copy with a good friend or your lawyer, 1 with a family member, and 1 in your safe.
As its 2 of 3, 1 person can lose their key and its not a problem, and both the family member and friend need to collude to steal you coins.
You could of course increase this from 2 of 3 to any value such as 4 of 7, whatever makes sense to you.

When you come to spend the paper wallet, you should use a clean machine, install a new version of the OS ,and then only the wallet software.
I wouldn't use brand new software releases and I would check the authenticity of the code using release signing keys or hashes.

If you really want to do it properly, you should probably read Glacier protocol https://glacierprotocol.org/, it discusses all the risks and possible solutions, you can then cherry pick the things you think are important to you.

You want to also factor in your own death to the scheme. Making sure 'your' people know about, and can actually  get possession of the coins without you.



Just password protect "paper" wallet and make sure to remember password.
The best choice is to make your own "dog tag" and punch the numbers in some copper or aluminum.
Numbers in some arrangement, circular or staked.... on a piece of metal is of no interest in burglars unless punched in silver or gold bars.
 https://www.amazon.com/punch-set-numbers/s?page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Apunch%20set%20numbers

alternatives
 https://cryptosteel.com/ or
 https://bitkee.com/

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2019 SEC Six Examination Priorities.

(Has included crypto as one of its priorities.)

1. Matters of importance to retail investors, including seniors and those saving for retirement.
2. Compliance and risk in registrants responsible for critical market infrastructure.
3. Select areas and programs of FINRA and MSRB.
4. Digital Assets.
5. Cybersecurity.
6. Anti-Money Laundering.

https://www.sec.gov/files/OCIE%202019%20Priorities.pdf



Surely not, does this mean.....
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2019 SEC Six Examination Priorities.

(Has included crypto as one of its priorities.)

1. Matters of importance to retail investors, including seniors and those saving for retirement.
2. Compliance and risk in registrants responsible for critical market infrastructure.
3. Select areas and programs of FINRA and MSRB.
4. Digital Assets.
5. Cybersecurity.
6. Anti-Money Laundering.

https://www.sec.gov/files/OCIE%202019%20Priorities.pdf



Surely not, does this mean.....

Page 11 / This is what it says:

" The digital asset market has grown rapidly and may present risks to retail investors. The number of digital asset market participants, including broker-dealers, trading platforms, and investment advisers, also continues to increase. Given the significant growth and risks presented in this market, OCIE will continue to monitor the offer and sale, trading, and management of digital assets, and where the products are securities, examine for regulatory compliance. In particular, through high level inquiries, OCIE will take steps to identify market participants offering, selling, trading, and managing these products or considering or actively seeking to offer these products and then assess the extent of their activities.

For firms actively engaged in the digital asset market, OCIE will conduct examinations focused on, among other things, portfolio management of digital assets, trading, safety of client funds and assets, pricing of client portfolios, compliance, and internal controls."
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Segwit adoption tapers off after rapid early growth.

https://www.theblockcrypto.com/2019/01/11/segwit-adoption-tapers-off-after-rapid-early-growth/



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This is what I use:
https://imgflip.com/i/2qxztc

Yeah, cost me $3718.

In fact nearly $20k at one point...

Here is what I use:



Cost me a few satoshis and I've been saving my bitcoins on it since last year. I don't see the point of hardware wallets if you are in bitcoin to hodl them.

To spend them actively i would still use my iphone for the job insead of hw wallets since I would carry my wealth in a paper wallet and my play money on my phone. But most importantly, it is just easier with a phone.

To me money spent on hw wallets is a waste. I would buy more crypto instead.

It's really all about the value of the amount you are storing, and therefore the risk.

Paper wallet is fine for smaller amounts, but...
- Where do you store the paper wallet safely
- What happens if you are burgled and the thief steals the wallet (wether or not they know what to do with it)
- Where do you store a backup, (and increase the risk of compromise)?
- What happens if your house burns down?
- Something gets split on the wallet and obscures the ink.
- 3 Years later, and you've simply lost the wallet, or thrown it out accidentally.
- When you spend the wallet and enter the address into a computer, are you 100% sure that computer is totally free from trojans/viruses, an attacker could   steal the funds on the happy day when you cash-out.

These risks are small (ish) but if you had $100k or $100m, they would be much more important.

A paper wallet requires multiple diverse location copies, but each copy increases the risk of theft, and you need to trust someone else to look after other copies (family?)
So you can securely split the secret (Shamir's secret splitting https://iancoleman.io/shamir/) , you can then choose how many parts of the total eg. 2 of 3 are needed to reconstruct the private key,
Then split it - 1 copy with a good friend or your lawyer, 1 with a family member, and 1 in your safe.
As its 2 of 3, 1 person can lose their key and its not a problem, and both the family member and friend need to collude to steal you coins.
You could of course increase this from 2 of 3 to any value such as 4 of 7, whatever makes sense to you.

When you come to spend the paper wallet, you should use a clean machine, install a new version of the OS ,and then only the wallet software.
I wouldn't use brand new software releases and I would check the authenticity of the code using release signing keys or hashes.

If you really want to do it properly, you should probably read Glacier protocol https://glacierprotocol.org/, it discusses all the risks and possible solutions, you can then cherry pick the things you think are important to you.

You want to also factor in your own death to the scheme. Making sure 'your' people know about, and can actually  get possession of the coins without you.



Exactly, for the amount i have, I'd need the whole airgapped/secure printer - computer combo thing. I don't have the space for that.
And at the time I bought it, it was $100.
Cyptosteel is an option, but the thought of making sure I get all those number and letters right!
And I do occasionally move some coins around - for example in Nov, when the funding % return rocketed on Bitfinex. Made a nice bit of BTC doing that. Then moved it all back before Jan.
Trezor's just so much more convenient. And now it work with Mycelium again!
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He got a point there Roll Eyes Grin
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