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February 05, 2014, 07:42:11 PM
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My two cents of Dogecoin:

The good news surrounding bitcoin does not seem to advance the price. 

Perhaps because those "good news" are not meanigful for people who are not into bitcoin already?

Perhaps because people who are already into bitcoin know that those "good news" are not that great, actually? (E.g. "another merchant acepts bitcoins" actually means "another merchant accepts cash through Bitpay or Coinbase".)

Any hint of bad news, FUD, seems to drop the price temporarily.  Why?

Many people who have invested in bitcoins are not that confident about it.  Presumably they rush to sell, before waiting for the news to be confirmed, because they fear being run over by a crash.

The China exchanges have been dead since before the ‘holidays’ and the price is mostly flat on the other exchanges.  Does this indicate that the Chinese exchanges are the driver for price discovery?

I would think so.  They seem to be the driver also for tarde volume.  With or without holidays, they account for 70% or more of the total trade volume.

Bitstamp and BTC-e are effectively flat lined.  When the bid or ask walls reach some level, an order hits and the price moves.  Then a series of orders arrive which brings the price back to the previous level. 

I think that I see the same thing at Huobi.

Could be arbitrage traders, pulling the price back towards the other exchanges.  (Crashes and rallies seem to be much slower now than they used to; presumably it is the same cause.)

Why are things about bitcoin price so negative lately?

After the Dec/01 crash and the failure to recover in 2 months, many people realized that the success of Bitcoin is not as certain as it seemed before.  The China actions showed that governments can stop bitcoin if they decide to do so.  Then altcoins blasted a big hole in the arithmetic that "proved" million-dollar prices in a few years.

People are becoming aware that the price is set entirely by the market, and the market does not seem to see those astronomical prices any time soon.

Thrue believers, who would buy BTC at any price, apparently ran out of money. The exchanges apparently became the playground of speculators who only expect the price will rise enough for them to sell at a profit; or fall by a fair amount but then rebound to the current level.  Thus they won't sell for less than X + 50 and won't buy for more than X - 50. And so the price stays at X.

The buying of bitcoins for use in commerce does not seem to be enough to affect the price, and should be offset by the sale of coins by miners and merchants.

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February 05, 2014, 07:43:35 PM
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@1500 dump... was it just me or did bitcointalk go down in exactly that instant?

correlation or... causation?!?? much drama
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February 05, 2014, 07:48:12 PM
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@1500 dump... was it just me or did bitcointalk go down in exactly that instant?

correlation or... causation?!?? much drama

Boy that was a slap in the face of an otherwise reasonably stable chart.
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February 05, 2014, 07:48:37 PM
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@1500 dump... was it just me or did bitcointalk go down in exactly that instant?

correlation or... causation?!?? much drama

just a useless attempt to spread panic i think  Cool
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February 05, 2014, 07:55:14 PM
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@1500 dump... was it just me or did bitcointalk go down in exactly that instant?

correlation or... causation?!?? much drama

just a useless attempt to spread panic i think  Cool

I would not dismiss it too early.
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February 05, 2014, 07:56:16 PM
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@1500 dump... was it just me or did bitcointalk go down in exactly that instant?

correlation or... causation?!?? much drama

just a useless attempt to spread panic i think  Cool

Large dumps have corresponded with the forum going down since as long as I've been paying attention (March 2013).  

IIRC, evidence of DDoS attacks on the forum exist and I believe the admin have confirmed this several times.  The other logical explanation is that "everyone rushes to bitcointalk.org when they see a big dump."
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February 05, 2014, 07:56:58 PM
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@1500 dump... was it just me or did bitcointalk go down in exactly that instant?

correlation or... causation?!?? much drama

just a useless attempt to spread panic i think  Cool

*sigh*

There was a downwards following wall of  more than 4000 BTC a few weeks ago on Stamop. There will be no panik, and the seller knows that. It will be go up, sidewards, or downwards, but without really bad no news, no chance for panic.
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February 05, 2014, 08:17:45 PM
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Good feeling Gox will dump tonight based on stamp. Followed by a stamp dump based on china dump. Not positive, just sense it happen a alot.
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February 05, 2014, 08:18:34 PM
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I hate silence.
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February 05, 2014, 08:28:18 PM
Last edit: February 14, 2014, 12:50:47 AM by JorgeStolfi
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The Chinese pandas bears at Huobi took over at ~22:0 21:00 local time and undid most of what the bulls did over the last two days.

(Usually, almost all Huobi's traders are in bed at 02:00 01:00 am; but today it's 5:00 04:00 am and some are still trading.)

I have conflicting information about the bank holidays in China.  Some pages say that banks will reopen only on Feb/07, others say that they should be open today, but with reduced hours.  Which is right?

Even if they are open today, I suppose that it may take a coupls of days for deposits to reach the exchanges, right?

(BTC-China is still in zombie mode.)
 
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February 05, 2014, 08:58:17 PM
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Why are some posts disappearing?
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February 05, 2014, 08:59:09 PM
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Not much happened after the stamp dump.
Doesn't look like we are going down, even with the dumps. So just wait till the chinese banks are back and there is only 1 way to go.
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February 05, 2014, 09:17:08 PM
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Why are some posts disappearing?

I guess its because the 502 Bad Gateway stuff, which is a pain in the ass.
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February 05, 2014, 09:42:30 PM
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finally i can connect on to the bitcoin fourm

SOOOOO

any good reason for the sell off? or did goat just buy another lambo?  Cheesy
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February 05, 2014, 09:46:24 PM
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That big dump in stamp gave me two thoughts:
1) An old miner/investor saw that the price isn't going anywhere, but he was in profit anyway so he just dumped, without caring much about the loss of an sudden dump.
2) The current stability is is an illusion created to keep the price high so "the right people" can get their money out with better profits. When small buy walls come up to 800, then they will get eaten. Maybe there just was enough buys near 800 and it seemed profitable for one dump and then nudge the price back to 800, then wait and repeat the process. It currently seems that because of low volume, it's not very hard to keep the price where you want it.
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February 05, 2014, 09:47:17 PM
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1500 btc dump. Lets see how this pans out.
recovery to higher than before the dump.
bad choice  Roll Eyes
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February 05, 2014, 09:49:24 PM
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@1500 dump... was it just me or did bitcointalk go down in exactly that instant?

correlation or... causation?!?? much drama

Boy that was a slap in the face of an otherwise reasonably stable chart.

Yeah that was a weird coincidence...but quick recovery.   The price around $800 with + or - $5 has been super stable
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February 05, 2014, 09:54:34 PM
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That big dump in stamp gave me two thoughts:
1) An old miner/investor saw that the price isn't going anywhere, but he was in profit anyway so he just dumped, without caring much about the loss of an sudden dump.
2) The current stability is is an illusion created to keep the price high so "the right people" can get their money out with better profits. When small buy walls come up to 800, then they will get eaten. Maybe there just was enough buys near 800 and it seemed profitable for one dump and then nudge the price back to 800, then wait and repeat the process. It currently seems that because of low volume, it's not very hard to keep the price where you want it.
2) The current stability is is an illusion created to keep the price high low so "the right people" can get their bitcoin with better prices. When small sell walls come down to 795, then they will get eaten. Maybe there just was enough sheep near 800 and it seemed profitable for one dump and then buy the bitcoin cheaper, then wait and repeat the process. It currently seems that because of low volume, it's not very hard to keep the price where you want it.

FTFY  Cheesy
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February 05, 2014, 09:56:52 PM
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Next week will be crucial. The chinese will return. Anybody know the current feeling in China ? Still bearish ?
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February 05, 2014, 10:00:31 PM
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Next week will be crucial. The chinese will return. Anybody know the current feeling in China ? Still bearish ?

I just talked to all my chinese friends, most of them are super bearish.
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