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Question: Dec. 14 Closing Price:
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$6,500-$7,000 - 6 (7.6%)
$7,000-$7,500 - 9 (11.4%)
$7,500-$8,000 - 18 (22.8%)
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November 07, 2019, 10:39:06 PM
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Are there non-physical metals? Because I keep wondering why you call them physical metals, when you can call them just metals.
What is physical metal?
I only know Digital Gold.


Physical ["precious"] metals are basically analog bitcoin. They're heavy, cumbersome physical materials that rich people used to trade for livestock 500 years ago, before the advent of digital gold.

The price of gold and Bitcoin when I started mining BTC Sept 18th, 2013. I really started with the KNC Jupiter ASIC miner on 10/18/2013...but hey, 0.69 BTC on the GPU card counts. Smiley

price of gold exactly 0 years start 2013 (more or less) it was $1,348.09 USD and BTC was about $130.86 (more or less) the same/closest day on the charts.

price of gold exactly 1 year later 2014 (more or less)  was $1,226.96 USD and BTC was about $475.37 USD (more or less) the same/closest day on the charts.

price of gold exactly 2 years later 2015 (more or less) it was $1,121.32 USD and BTC was about $229.09 (more or less) the same/closest day on the charts.

price of gold exactly 3 years later 2016 (more or less) it was $1,328.57 USD and BTC was about $606.97 USD (more or less) the same/closest day on the charts.

price of gold exactly 4 years later 2017 (more or less) it was $1,327.06 USD and BTC was about $3,630.70 USD (more or less) the same/closest day on the charts.

price of gold exactly 5 years later 2018 (more or less) it was $1,202.50 USD and BTC was about $6,371.30 USD (more or less) the same/closest day on the charts.

price of gold exactly 6 years later 2019 (more or less) it was $1,502.51 USD and BTC was about $   10,242.27 USD (more or less) the same/closest day on the charts.

The price of gold as of TODAY 11/7/2019 is $1,470.65 USD and BTC is currently today $9,271.90 USD as I type this here.

Using this chart for days closest on such chart (iffy by a day or so) for the price of GOLD historically.

https://www.moneymetals.com/precious-metals-charts/gold-price

Using this chart for days closest on such chart (iffy by a day or so) for the price of Bitcoin historically.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/

Hmmm....good thing I did not listen to all the Gold Bugs who said I needed something 'Tangible' as a store of value.

later

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November 07, 2019, 10:59:45 PM

Can easily tell BTC was going to drop today.  Long vs shorts are way too high, and ESF Jewish central bankers just rigged metals down while rigging stocks up.  It blatantly obvious the same kikes have been attempting to try and rig BTC to the same up and down cycles as metals, so here comes the ESF trying to rig Bitcoin down at the same time they manipulate metals too.  

These fucktards don't seem to quite understand that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES will I ever dump metals to buy overpriced stocks, and digital shitcoiners are all mentally insane and think the price is going to $1 trillion each so never will either.  They'd dump shitcoins for metals way before stocks.  There is NOBODY looking to be a stock or bond bagholder no matter how much manipulation they do.

You can not outlive them ROach!

And you give BTC a lot of credit, versus fiat at least! (finally).  Tongue Tongue
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Very important nowadays to know your Boeings from your Lockheed Martins. Here's a handy guide



also, this just in https://youtu.be/8P5_-JaIGIw
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November 08, 2019, 12:03:11 AM

Oh yeah, I knew that. I just forgot about it. Paper based. Lots of those. Certificates and stuff.
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November 08, 2019, 12:20:37 AM

bam bam dilla

I got Zhou Tonged to the tune of about 10 BTC

Hacked?
Scammed?

just had the BTC on bitcoinica when it collapsed

lost about the same amount at Gox

Yes, I laugh about it now...BFL is the only one that still stings
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November 08, 2019, 12:21:51 AM

In point of fact, this claim was publicly surfaced back around the time of the Andrew O'Hagan piece.


so did Faketoshi gave private keys to Dave before or after he implemented his HD algo that generated the private keys for those block rewards?

Can’t say that I know. Once you work out the answer, why don’t you be a pal, and report back to me?

And thus lies the problem, a shill throws out some BS claimed by Faketoshi, another shill claims it as a fact, but there just so much BS that the claim cannot be substantiated without contradicting something else Faketoshi testified to under oath. At this point there are only two desperate options, ask someone else to verify your BS or, claim that Faketoshi is not important to BSv anyway.

Well, i read through all of the court docs and the only way that Dave could've died penniless, in his own piss, without private medical help while holding millions in BTC is...


I am ambivalent on the question of ‘is CSW Satoshi?’

Invest in this shitcoin, it was copied from original by a proven fraud in court, and i'm about 50% sure that their main investors (Ayre) developers (nChain) are all lying about him anything to do with Satoshi  Undecided
Bravo, where do i send money to?
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November 08, 2019, 12:52:29 AM

In point of fact, this claim was publicly surfaced back around the time of the Andrew O'Hagan piece.

And thus lies the problem, a shill throws out some BS claimed by Faketoshi, another shill claims it as a fact, but there just so much BS that the claim cannot be substantiated without contradicting something else

I'm just responding to your 'change the story' narrative. The story remains as it has since years. Your selective memory of it notwithstanding. Perhaps you're just incapable of remembering.

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Bravo, where do i send money to?

Plenty of places from which to choose. Here's a few to get your search started:
https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bitcoin-sv/trading_exchanges
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November 08, 2019, 01:06:22 AM

Sideways continues
Midway movie, very good
Now in HODLsleep


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November 08, 2019, 01:23:37 AM
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Are there non-physical metals?

This short informational video clearly explains what non-physical metal is...
https://youtu.be/qcWKZTI9OC4
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November 08, 2019, 02:17:34 AM

Invest in this shitcoin

Greetings, valued customer.  Your Amazon Basics swastika flag order has now shipped.
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November 08, 2019, 03:08:18 AM

Not one vote for 2023 so far,  uh oh... guess when the new ATH is coming Cool
Nah,I don't really believe that, late 2020 to mid 2021 is where it looks logical to me but I also know that BTC just loves to cuck the hell out of the logical plebs.  
Voted early 2021 although I've been sampling some new hopium recently that would like to suggest well before the halving. 



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#showerthought
Bitcoin is the next logical step in the creation of Marshall McLuhan's "Global Village". We've all been tied together culturally, almost seemlessly (ex China, NK, etc.), but not yet economically.

Are there non-physical metals? Because I keep wondering why you call them physical metals, when you can call them just metals.
What is physical metal?
I only know Digital Gold.


Physical ["precious"] metals are basically analog bitcoin. They're heavy, cumbersome physical materials that rich people used to trade for livestock 500 years ago, before the advent of digital gold.


Pssst wanna buy a sheep?

We could all chip in and buy her for r0ach.

Casual shitcoiner.



Sounds like my "casual" WoW days.
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It's itchy!
Did you wash yo pussy today?
 https://twitter.com/bruttafica/status/1192525001305546752

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Ok, I do realize you may have put some effort forth recently and I appreciate that.  I dunno, just thought of you when I saw this.
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November 08, 2019, 05:39:20 AM

So as I was waiting about 9 hours in line yesterday to get that spicy Popeyes's Chicken sandwich I see none other than Roach come in and start a fight yelling the N word. You can imagine how it ended.

https://twitter.com/wokevideo/status/1192471002321522689?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1192471002321522689&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2Fpopeyes-chaos-angry-americans-fight-over-coveted-chicken-sandwich%2F

Anyway's, here are tons of examples of American's losing their minds for that spicy fried food of the God's.

https://www.infowars.com/popeyes-chaos-angry-americans-fight-over-coveted-chicken-sandwich/

You ask, what does it all mean Slayer? How will this affect the price of Corn in China.

Well Ill tell you how.

We will start a grass roots movement right here on W.O. and begin spreading a rumor that each Bitcoin is backed by 2500 Spicy or Classic Popeyes Chicken Sandwiches. We do this by infiltrating peasant public bathrooms and writing it on the walls and also astroturfing social media with the rumor.

Soon everyone will be buying corn like their life depends on it.

The Popeyes fiasco is not a sign of America preparing to lose first world status, rather it is a practice run for the true Fomo when King Bitcoin makes himself known to all the peasants and middle class. These people will die for fried chicken, imagine what they will do for sound money.

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Maybe we are misunderstanding each other to some degree?

You mentioned an ability to plan retirement based on BTC and around BTC 4 year cycles.

So, I was trying to ask you at what point you would be able to retire upon such anticipated ongoing bitcoin price cycles.  

Between $30k - $50k, that shoud be achieved within this bullmarket.

O.k.   Yes, I agree that seems like a reasonable BTC price range that has decent odds of being achieved within the next BTC bullmarket cycle - of course, not guaranteed but reasonably within the realm of fair possibilities.

It seems that you have already answered the other part of my question, Paashaas, regarding what you are going to do, but I am not 100%  sure about that, which seems to be that you are not selling your bitcoin during such anticipated BTC price run, so you will likely be riding through this next bullrun and not really able to say "fuck you" with any confidence and irreversibility emphasis until $30k to $50k becomes our BTC floor, and you likely would not be retiring under such premature bridge burning circumstances because it is NOT as likely that $30k to $50k is going to be the bottom of the subsequent correction that could happen from whatever BTC price that we end up achieving in this next upcoming cycle, whether it is $50k, $100k $350k, or some other price (even possibly higher).

I believe that many of us regulars in the WO thread realize that there are decent odds of volatility that passes both ways through such $30k to $50k range.

Of course, many of us regular of the WO thread would be hopeful that the lower end of the $30k to $50k range would be the bottom of the next BTC price correction, yet we are far from guaranteed until we go through such cycle.... which should be scary for any of us who has not yet reached more permanent and sustainable "fuck you" status, and no one should be anywhere close to 100% clear where the upcoming BTC price cycle is going to take us.

Currently, I am considering that my range of comfortable "fuck you" status is about 10% of your range - so really my "fuck you" range is within the $3k to $5k arena, and that is likely based on my having had invested pretty damned BIG (relatively speaking) during 2014-2016 - but perhaps even based on my having much more capital at my disposal during that 2014-2016 time-period - in which I was taking money from my already existing investment funds that I had been building over nearly 30 years and to put about 10%-ish of that already existing stash (ended up being a bit more than 10%) from those funds into bitcoin.

But anyhow, surely seems to be a reasonable number for anyone who is investing into bitcoin and not necessarily relying on saying "fuck you" anytime soon but seeing a number that is within reach - and also it will likely be possible that during the next BTC price correction, we are going to have bottom areas that are in the $30k to $50k range - even if it is also quite possible to dip below that range, too.  Do I sound waffly?  Of course, since I had only invested as much as I had been wiling to lose into bitcoin, and I surely was prepared for BTC dips in this last cycle that went below my preferred $3k to $5k range, and still we are not completely removed from going below my "fuck you" range, because for me, it would have been a matter of less preferable to go below such range, even if such possibility is still within reach, but I have still been o.k. with losing the possibility of losing whatever gains have so far come that - just kind of falling out of the minimum "fuck you" territory.

Part of the reason that I feel o.k. in my skin in sounding waffly is because I hate to count my chickens before they are hatched, so in that regard, even if there are decent odds that your price range of $30k to $50k is achievable in the next cycle, I am also a bit concerned that there are possibilities that $3k to $5k is no longer going to hold (really low possibilities, but possibilities nonetheless).    

Accordingly, none of us should be counting our chickens before they are hatched... which causes me to always have a more conservative range of only averaging an achievement of 6% per year BTC price appreciation (from whatever is today's price) as another possible and concededly more conservative but still positive in terms of BTC returns on the lower area of BTC prices expectations scenario.  

Financial and psychological conservativism is also a process that never attempts to count chickens before they are hatched, but kind of plans ahead from today's BTC price, so of course, whenever there are boosts in today's BTC price (such as when we went up 42% in 12 hours on October 25th) that "going up" merely seems to contribute to some kind of additional BTC price (and psychology) cushion  - of course a psychology and financial cushion that could not be relied on with any kind of solid certainty to be sustained, but still with the passage of time these kinds of seemingly non-sustainable psychological and financial cushions can seem to build towards causing a stronger and stronger psychological and financial base, especially with a longer and longer passage of time, maybe even 3 to 5 years of working on buying, HODLing and accumulating BTC... during such ongoing seemingly outrageous ups and downs that ends up largely amounting to quite a bit more UPs than downs (thank you daddy bitcoin) with a base and a bottom that is largely "in" and a bottom, hopefully, that at some point in the near future is higher than our minimum "fuck you" status price range.. and the higher that we remain above our minimum "fuck you" status BTC price range bottom, the more that we can likely feel assured that our "fuck you" status is has become sustainably permanent rather than either wishful or temporary... and maybe, even we can pull the trigger in real life in both a psychological and financial way, and actually say "fuck you" to some actual real world peeps (perhaps making such "fuck you" speech to real world no coiners or whoever else happens to be in the area upon such excited real world utterance(s)?   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy).

Feels good man.   Wink Wink


Maybe we are misunderstanding each other to some degree?

You mentioned an ability to plan retirement based on BTC and around BTC 4 year cycles.

So, I was trying to ask you at what point you would be able to retire upon such anticipated ongoing bitcoin price cycles.  

Between $30k - $50k, that shoud be achieved within this bullmarket.

Double that price bracket will be achieved within this bullmarket

I agree LFC in terms of the ceiling of our anticipated upcoming BTC price run, but what about the subsequent floor that comes after the ceiling for BTC HODLer peeps who really do not plan on selling their BTC in any kinds of large amounts but instead plan to HODL the vast majority of their BTC through our seemingly upcoming and expected BTC price cycles and perhaps just to shave off some value from their BTC portfolio here and there along the way?  

There seem to be a certain number of regular WO thread participants, and Paashaas seems to be one of them, who seem to be quite disincline to sell large portions of his BTC holdings, even while realistically anticipating the various possible parameters of our next BTC price run, but instead remains in a kind of incrementalism mindset in terms of how he (they) plan to manage these BTC cycles in terms of long term BTC holdings' management and just anticipate HODLing through upcoming likely crazy-ass BTC price cycles while merely shaving off some value here and there along the way.  

What do you say about that?  You cannot really change the BTC management plans of others, but instead each of these peeps (whether WO regulars or not) has to figure out his/her own road forward, including the risks that any such deferral of gratification plan in regard to their BTC holdings might have (both in terms of finances and psychologically).
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November 08, 2019, 07:00:33 AM

Not one vote for 2023 so far,  uh oh... guess when the new ATH is coming Cool
Nah,I don't really believe that, late 2020 to mid 2021 is where it looks logical to me but I also know that BTC just loves to cuck the hell out of the logical plebs.  
Voted early 2021 although I've been sampling some new hopium recently that would like to suggest well before the halving. 




if it happens at the end of 2020 it means you believe in John McAfee, maybe it should move in 2021 because it is far more logical considering the previous history repeating the same thing every 4 years, the second time history has been repeated and maybe for the third time it will happen too  Grin
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November 08, 2019, 07:08:14 AM

found this...  



Current system: Whales exist, they try to prey on you, when they fail you are forced to bail them out.

Bitcoin system: Whales exist, they try to prey on you.

Wink


Surely, I recall some of the posts of Holliday, back in the day when he was positing in this thread.  

It appears that he has chosen to delete a lot of his old posts, and were it NOT for your quoting him, that post might have been lost into the ethers.   Those were exciting times that preceded my first BTC purchase in late November 2013.. and my even looking at forum posts in February 2014.  

There are quite a few old-timers who had made such choices to delete their old forum posts.  Not sure if we lose from such deletions, because these days, there seems to be so god-damned much that is captured into history.  Think of all of the folk-lore and songs from the past that never were recorded..... lost forever.



Hello Wall Observer, my old friend
I've come to troll with you again
Because a vision softly creeping
Left its seeds while Adam was sleeping
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Was a block chain
Within the sound of trolling

In restless dreams I trolled alone
Narrow threads in speculation
'Neath the halo of a monitor glow
I clicked a tab to bitcoinity show
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of an all time high
That split the night
And touched the sound of trolling

And in the all time high I saw
Ten thousand trolls maybe more
Trolls posting without typing
Trolls moderating without reporting
Trolls writing posts that voices never shared
No one dared
Disturb the sound of trolling

"Trolls," said I, "you do not know
Trolling like a cancer grows
Read my posts that I might troll you
Take my keyboard that I might troll you"
But my words like unconfirmed transactions fell
And echoed in the wells of trolling

And the people bowed and prayed
To the Bitcoin god they made
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming
And the sign said "The words of satoshi is written in the order walls"
We dropped our jaws
And whispered in the sound of trolling

Gives me the impression that Holliday might no longer be with us in this physical world.
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November 08, 2019, 07:20:00 AM

Ok, I do realize you may have put some effort forth recently and I appreciate that.

I'm telling you, something has profoundly changed.
r0achie is developing a sense of humor, and he's not doing bad either.

I dread of the day r0ach will become sane, admit his Jewish origin, dump metals, go all-in on BTC, turn again into the mother of bulls & actually HODL & profit for a change.
It will spoil my, bitcointalk-have-someone-to-bash-concept I've been into the past year or so. Cool
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Bulls need to push Bitcoin price above $9,300 and defend $8,950 to prevent a downside break that could extend to $8,300


https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-rallies-hardest-in-november-so-why-are-the-charts-bearish
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