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Question: Oct. 31 Closing Price:
$0 - 4 (5.2%)
<$7,000 - 9 (11.7%)
$7,000-$7,500 - 5 (6.5%)
$7,500-$8,000 - 10 (13%)
$8,000-$8,500 - 15 (19.5%)
$8,500-$9,000 - 10 (13%)
$9,000-$9,500 - 5 (6.5%)
$9,500-$10,000 - 4 (5.2%)
$10,000-$10,500 - 5 (6.5%)
>$10,500 - 4 (5.2%)
>$20,000 - 6 (7.8%)
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October 02, 2019, 11:43:51 PM
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just a question: should I look at Bitcoin like a Commodity or like a Share (Stock) or something between?

EDIT: btw, i found this --> https://www.bitcoinmarketjournal.com/bitcoin-commodity/
it's a new asset class, with no direct 1:1 analogy to legacy assets.
i tend to simply think of it as a (crypto)currency, as originally intended. the definition of a 'currency' should be broad enough to work mostly fine here, the main issue being acceptance.
or just think of BTC as 'money': a means of exchange, a store of wealth, and a unit of account.
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October 02, 2019, 11:54:53 PM

oh nooooo

I think we are down to like 8 airworthy B17s now... Cry



very very Sad news what is the location @jojo ?  Cry
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October 03, 2019, 12:14:03 AM

oh nooooo

I think we are down to like 8 airworthy B17s now... Cry



very very Sad news what is the location @jojo ?  Cry

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/vintage-b-17-plane-crashes-erupts-flames-bradley-international-airport-n1061161
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everything was sad xhomerx  Cry

i was see a lot of time crushed Boeing category plane  Cry
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I wonder what would happen to the price of Bitcoin once quantum computer technology advances. I suppose quantum miners would plummet the markets to the ground?  It might take a while for Bitcoin to recover from that one... If it ever does...

Edit: Although by that point we would probably have only a small amount left to mine so it would not matter maybe.
google's new toy is a simple RNG generator. so yeah, designing a quantum computer that would serve as a universal decryptor is going to take a long time. sure it's possible that such a machine will emerge in the future, but then it's not just BTC and other crypto that's in jeopardy.
all existing encryption will be just as useless, including all banking systems, and the whole internet as it is now. no SSL certificates, no e-mail passwords, no safe military communications. whole industry sectors would be wiped out, all existing financial and military protections useless. this scenario is obviously infeasible, and it should be obvious that when quantum computing advances to a point where it's able to make all our encryption systems useless, it will at the same time provide encryption algorithms that will be just as hard for quantum computers to break as our contemporary encryption is tough to break for computers that we're using now. other security measures would also appear that will exploit some kind of fundamental weakness in quantum computing, introduce sufficiently hardened encryption, or alternative security measures.

computer security is an endless arms race. just keep your keys safe, update when needed, and you're going to be fine now, in the present, as well as in the foreseeable future.
social engineering is a always a primary attack vector anyway, and no advances in technology are going to change that.

TLDR: when quantum computers are good enough to break encryption, just update your wallet and follow on-screen prompts. Wink
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October 03, 2019, 12:49:43 AM

MA 200 and MA 50 cross in the next coming days/weeks ?
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October 03, 2019, 12:52:44 AM

oh nooooo

I think we are down to like 8 airworthy B17s now... Cry



Eh that will buff out. What happened?
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October 03, 2019, 12:54:43 AM

What happened?

Power loss on takeoff is all we know so far.
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October 03, 2019, 12:59:43 AM

By my conservative estimates, I'll be 80 years old when bitcoin hits 10 million dollars per coin. If it happens sooner, like 10 or 20 years sooner ... well ... I'll have another 20 years to enjoy my 1 corn.

By the 6th halving in 2032, 99.22% of all corns have been mined. Miners will fight for what little is left of the block reward for the next hundred years.

Like I said, freeze your body and put "I have the key in my head for 10btc. Revive me and it's yours" on the outside casing.

In 200 years governments will be crash building programs to revive your ass. If not who the hell wants to wake up in a crap-sack world without bitcoin?
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October 03, 2019, 01:42:09 AM

I don't think this guy even comes close to warranting his own day.

He only just showed back up after how many years forsaking us?

 Good point.  Also, there's that petition at Change.org for him.  My suggestion was really to prevent Arriemoller from wearing out his F, C, K, T, A, O, U and sometimes Y keys prematurely.  I'm 99.9% sure he's got German engineered Cherry MX mechanical keyswitches anyway.  They can take a pounding.


If you guys think I'm giving him too much attention just let me know and I'll stop.

But until then, fuck you Fatty!


 No, this is fine.  What we wont tolerate is feelings of melancholia and nostalgia.

Hmm, Infofront (I think) deleted some of my "Fuck you Fatty" posts, wonder why?


Actually, I didn't touch them. It could've been Dabs or someone else.
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October 03, 2019, 01:45:54 AM

What happened?

Power loss on takeoff is all we know so far.
working 2 factor damage.
1. bad news effect this place.
2. economically lost building, plain etc.
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October 03, 2019, 02:07:39 AM

What happened?

Power loss on takeoff is all we know so far.

Doesn't make sense. Flying that thing on 3 engines should not have been an issue. *maybe* they forgot to add carburator heat and had iced carbs, but that's such a basic thing I can't believe they would fuck that on takeoff. Besides you normally run full heat on takeoff for just this reason.

Wonder if someone forgot to remove the tail lock. That would be embarrassing but would explain why they couldn't gain much altitude.

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Doesn't make sense. Flying that thing on 3 engines should not have been an issue.

I know right?
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October 03, 2019, 02:18:14 AM

oh nooooo

I think we are down to like 8 airworthy B17s now... Cry



There has to be some point you stop flying WWII era planes. (Assuming they all don't eventually crap out of the sky first)

I mean, you don't see anyone flying ORIGINAL WWI planes. If I had to think of anything that would NOT be equipment or

pilot error...I'd guess metal stress of some type. Eventually, that alone will ground them all, I'd assume. Seems to be a lot

more crashes of WWII era planes however in the last few years to me anyway.
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October 03, 2019, 02:29:27 AM

What happened?

Power loss on takeoff is all we know so far.

Doesn't make sense. Flying that thing on 3 engines should not have been an issue. *maybe* they forgot to add carburator heat and had iced carbs, but that's such a basic thing I can't believe they would fuck that on takeoff. Besides you normally run full heat on takeoff for just this reason.

Wonder if someone forgot to remove the tail lock. That would be embarrassing but would explain why they couldn't gain much altitude.

Don't mind  brother @lightfoot every-time we are enjoy all Wall Observer posting.
but i don't know what actually meaning of "Fuck" i hope this word use only for fun?
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October 03, 2019, 02:34:11 AM

There has to be some point you stop flying WWII era planes. (Assuming they all don't eventually crap out of the sky first)

I mean, you don't see anyone flying ORIGINAL WWI planes. If I had to think of anything that would NOT be equipment or

pilot error...I'd guess metal stress of some type. Eventually, that alone will ground them all, I'd assume. Seems to be a lot

more crashes of WWII era planes however in the last few years to me anyway.

There are still people flying 1930 vintage Steermans and the like, so it's not age per se. However these things are complicated in a way that GPS loving pilots might overlook a few steps. Kind of like giving a person a car without power steering and brakes.

Which is sad: I really enjoyed flying an AT-6 Texan a few years back, those things are really impressive and fun to buzz the local grass field airports....
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Don't mind  brother @lightfoot every-time we are enjoy all Wall Observer posting.
but i don't know what actually meaning of "Fuck" i hope this word use only for fun?
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This would be using the verb "Fuck" in the sense of "to make an error". So it could read "I can't believe they would make an error like that on takeoff".

I think there are 200 meanings of the word Fuck, it's quite a versatile tool in the English language.....

(Now that I think of it I wonder if Fuck has more meanings than "set")
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So in some sense, I am all mixed up about what would be reasonable because he seems to be describing a whole different set of circumstances in which a person might chose to invest only in BTC and fiat and not have any other significant or meaningful investments.  Sure, such a strategy could be made to be reasonable, but I had kind of presumed that mindrust had other investments (and seems to be that I was mostly wrong).  By the way, mindrust seems to be more in the territory of $60k value in BTC and $100k+ value in cash, so surely his situation seems to be a bit more skewed in favor of cash, currently...

I don't know any other investment.

I could have sent $30-50k to the US stock markets but I don't like to read all those regulations about the taxes&stock markets and shit and I am pretty sure this isn't the right time to buy their bags neither. Nope.

There is a lot of value to attempting to invest in something that you have some level of comfort, and even if you are attempting to learn along the way - given that none of us should get paralyzed by attempting to study too much.

Yes, other than a small percentage of gold, I am %100 FIAT&Bitcoin. With $100k in hand It is only enough to buy a half ass decent flat and I am not sure if that's what I want now. I'd rather stay in cash and wait for a crash where and whenever it happens; crypto, the stock markets, gold. (I don't know anything else investment-wise, besides RE) I'll just buy the dip. When I reach $1m, Then I may reconsider of making RE investments. It makes more sense that way.

I understand that if you are not ready for anything else, then you are not ready.  I can understand why you might keep higher percentage in cash, if you have not invested in anything else (such as index funds or anything like that), but your ratios still do seem to be kind of high... 33% bitcoin and 66% cash - something like that.  Whoaza.


I DCA into BTC every week/month whenever I can just like I do to FIAT. For me FIAT is kinda investment too because I am buying (mostly) the US-made FIAT with my own national FIAT. FIAT is FIAT in the end and all are shit but I believe the US made FIAT is the last one to go down the toilet before anything else. (EUR is the second best I guess)


Well, yeah all fiat is largely depreciating, but some fiat depreciates faster than others, and the dollar has been  pretty strong for the past 10 years or so, which kind of has surprised people, but it is what it is. 

For now Bitcoin is the only game I play.

edit: $81xx, cheap coins are arriving!  Grin


I kind of wonder how you do it.  When I first started buying/accumulating bitcoin in late 2013, and through 2014, I established  my bitcoin buying budget based on how much cash I had in hand and how much cash that I anticipated for cashflow coming in for a six month period.   Then I extended the buying/accumulating for another 6 months with largely the same budget as the first 6 months, and I figured that by the end of 2014, I would have about 10%-12% of my total investment value in bitcoin, and largely I met those targets.

After 2014, I thereafter did not feel any kind of compelling reason to accumulate BTC beyond mere DCA with my then incoming cashflow.  In other words, I was not allocating more to BTC (by taking from my other investments) but instead just regularly investing with excess incoming cashflow.    That second phase lasted through most of 2015, but I had thought that I had reached my target.

You should be in a kind of stage that you have reached your maintenance target (even if you don't really feel like you have enough in BTC).  You have a floating balance of fiat that you keep in on reserve in case the BTC price dips more - which seems to be a kind of a 50/50 situation now..... even if I might be thinking that there is a bit of a bullish favoritism, but even if that bullish favoritism were to be true, in mind, such bullish favoritism, remains only so slight.   So really I don't feel like I have any kind of confidence, either direction, at least in the very short term, but a year from now, we should have higher prices than we have today.. but I remain only slightly confident in that, too.
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October 03, 2019, 02:41:36 AM

I don't think this guy even comes close to warranting his own day.

He only just showed back up after how many years forsaking us?

 Good point.  Also, there's that petition at Change.org for him.  My suggestion was really to prevent Arriemoller from wearing out his F, C, K, T, A, O, U and sometimes Y keys prematurely.  I'm 99.9% sure he's got German engineered Cherry MX mechanical keyswitches anyway.  They can take a pounding.


If you guys think I'm giving him too much attention just let me know and I'll stop.

But until then, fuck you Fatty!


 No, this is fine.  What we wont tolerate is feelings of melancholia and nostalgia.

Hmm, Infofront (I think) deleted some of my "Fuck you Fatty" posts, wonder why?


Actually, I didn't touch them. It could've been Dabs or someone else.

Ok, thanks for the info. DABS! Why did you do it?
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