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[Ibian]

These stupid people at CNN right now seem so confident that US is going to see 0.1 million deaths. It's like... if US (hopefully not) gets to see 0.1 million deaths, Trump will come out and tweet, "told you so!".

Again it's simple multiplication. Everyone is going to get infected. Literally everyone.

Pick whatever death rate you prefer. If it's just 1%, that's 3.2 million US deaths.

[JayJuanGee]

@JayJuanGee
Probably you haven't access to my MP... I am sorry for that    

I don't know what an MP is.  Maybe you should explain.

The problem is very easy to explain... anyone want to speak about this argument like an expert when has serious issue just to understand WHAT IS A PREPRINT or a weak clinical trial, or a treatment not tested.

Is there some piece of information that I was supposed to have read and understood?

You want to drag me into one of your "scientific" claims?  I don't recall making any kind of scientific claim, myself, so I am not sure what burden I have to read a certain document or to understand how one document or study or treatment is different from another.

Sure it is possible that all of you claims, to the extent that you were making some claims beyond just exuding authority were actually valid.. perhaps?  Perhaps?

For what I have seen
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg54133342#msg54133342
People that have knowledge about it are not saying that these are bullshit...
but it's ok I don't need that you understand what I am saying since I am "pompous"
(but it is much more "pompous" and arrogant some one without any knowledge who attacks a person on a subject he does not know)

Too bad that you are feeling attacked.  There are quite a few people who participate in this thread who do not tout their various credentials, but are able to share various kinds of information, too... scientific and otherwise...  go figure. 

We can also have various disagreements and get into the substance without one person proclaiming that they have more expertise than others.  Whether true or not, sometimes discussions here do tend to devolve in that direction, which is hardly helpful, in most cases.

I have just tried to explain how these clinical trials should be interpreted. This is not my opinion, it's called SCIENCE.

If you were explaining, supporting or debunking some studies, trials, results, etc, then that is likely to be helpful and might either support claims that you are making or debunk claims that other members are making.

  If you are saying that there is only one way to read the result because of science and because you are a purported expert, then that would NOT likely be very helpful to people in this thread or even scientific of you.. and might even cause some resistance or unnecessary confusion or distractions.   

For example, if a study is conducted for a specific application, but then that study is used in order to support another application, then yeah a lot of us will understand why there might be weaknesses in that, but then it would not necessarily mean that the other (unstudied) application might not end up having some potential validity.

You are wrong if you tried to discredit what I have explained here since we are not talking about magic pills or about snake oil!

I personally have not even gotten into much if any of the substance of the purported claims that you are making or debunking.  If you have claims then you need to support them. 

If you believe that I am trying to discredit you merely because I am suggesting that you are employing appeal to authority fallacies, then maybe you need to present your topic from another angle.  I have no hostility to you, at least not yet.

I come in peace... hahahahaha  but I am not going to address you as "uncle bunkle (or bitbollo)"

If it was really "strong" and really proved as treatment it was already adopted by any health authority. IF NOT, MAYBE.........

EG:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg54133289#msg54133289
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg54132982#msg54132982
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg54132613#msg54132613

I am not here to defend or speak about pharmaceutical field! Follow the reasoning I am a pharmacist not a lawyer

That above quote is not from me, so I am NOT sure what you are talking about or the various links in which you have already presented various arguments in this thread.

I was getting the impression that you were proclaiming to be a pharmacist in order to attempt to bring validity to claims that you were making or the debunking of the claims of others.   

Regarding attempting to defend the medical and/or pharmaceutical field in legal ways, now that would likely take us way further afield than we already seem to be drifting, so I can agree with you that such further devolution would likely NOT be necessary.   

[El duderino_]

This not true, this is not true!! I am corona positive!!!

Is it true or not?

If so I wish you all the best and a fast recovery whiteout any issues!!!

[bitbollo]

'Italian man of science'

Try to not make the troll with me I am not a plumber I am a pharmacist
But you're probably going to shoemaker when your car is broken... nothing wrong I can understand your reasoning.  

I have just tried to explain how these clinical trials should be interpreted. This is not my opinion, it's called SCIENCE.
You are wrong if you tried to discredit what I have explained here since we are not talking about magic pills or about snake oil!

Nobody is trying to discredit what you said. We get it: small sample size, non-randomized, not even single-blind. There is a much bigger study on the way which of course hasn't been peer reviewed yet, but it has similar results.

81 patients? NO FREE LESSONS! LMAO
BUT many thanks for correction MAGIC PROFESSOR !

In the meantime, the FDA has approved emergency use of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, so obviously they don't think its a bad idea.

Let's just hope none of us get to the point of having to use it.

There is nothing strange and this is not the only treatment that receive this authorization... I don't need to explain this to you
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5232377.msg54086003#msg54086003

@JayJuanGee
Yes I have been attacked, probably you haven't read all messages
I tried to explain why some data are very weaks! This is not only my interpretation but the vast majority of people working in this field (99,99%) will agree with that.
Thats it.
Just a note: last but not least, I am not pretending to be a pharmacist. I am a pharmacist

[JayJuanGee]

'Italian man of science'

I have just tried to explain how these clinical trials should be interpreted. This is not my opinion, it's called SCIENCE.
You are wrong if you tried to discredit what I have explained here since we are not talking about magic pills or about snake oil!

Nobody is trying to discredit what you said. We get it: small sample size, non-randomized, not even single-blind. There is a much bigger study on the way which of course hasn't been peer reviewed yet, but it has similar results.

Yes, there is a lot of money to be made here, a lot of people rushing to be in the limelight and take credit for this and that, so proper trials should be executed slowly and thoroughly before anyone can claim to know anything for sure.

In the meantime, the FDA has approved emergency use of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, so obviously they don't think its a bad idea.

Let's just hope none of us get to the point of having to use it.

In an emergency situation, a product might be rushed through and even accepted because it is deemed as sufficiently safe, but that might not mean that it is effective because that part has not been studied..

And, maybe on an emergency basis, they might even be a bit uncertain with any degree of confidence about the level of safeness.

[jbreher]

It's like tequila. You don't use Patron or Don Julio to make a margarita. You drink them straight with a wedge of lime and some salt nothing to sully it.

Egads sir! That explains your taste in gin! FTFY.

Incidentally, while Patron is OK, I feel its marketing prowess far exceeds its distillation prowess.

For a Margarita you want something with more agave bite,

sure...

like Cuervo Especial Gold.

Not 100% agave. Nearly one-half sugar. https://distiller.com/spirits/jose-cuervo-gold-especial-tequila For pure agave in the Cuervo line, you need Tradicional or above.


Fun factoid: When we bought MyPersonalLambo^[tm], the realtor mistakenly tried to tell us it had a wine cellar. I didn't have the heart to tell him that a realtor should know the difference between a wine cellar and a tequila room.



If you squint just right, the Tuscan countryside almost looks like the rolling agave hills of Jalisco.

[jbreher]

Sounds like you are living in a not so safe neighborhood.... Of course, one of the things that any of us needs to consider is the condition of the neighborhood in which we live,

Ain't no such thing as a safe neighborhood when people are starving in the vicinity. True hunger strips any veneer of civilization.

[hv_]

Sounds like you are living in a not so safe neighborhood.... Of course, one of the things that any of us needs to consider is the condition of the neighborhood in which we live,

Ain't no such thing as a safe neighborhood when people are starving in the vicinity. True hunger strips any veneer of civilization.

and true lack of toilet paper before - except for true bears

Happy April

 

[bitbollo]

BUT many thanks for correction MAGIC PROFESSOR !

 

I'm not the only one doing a bit of trolling today. I didn't say anything that contradicted anything you said, and I certainly didn't "correct" anything that you said.

Just a note: last but not least, I am not pretending to be a pharmacist. I am a pharmacist

Don't you have pills to be moving from a big bottle into a smaller bottle?

You quoted a BIGGER STUDY I hope you don't want to be taken seriously but it's ok... nevermind at least you made me laugh

No pills, I am working right now only in injectables !!!

[JayJuanGee]

Sounds like you are living in a not so safe neighborhood.... Of course, one of the things that any of us needs to consider is the condition of the neighborhood in which we live,

Ain't no such thing as a safe neighborhood when people are starving in the vicinity. True hunger strips any veneer of civilization.

Well, could be.  We might be talking about a matter of degree rather than absolutes, but of course, if matters get to such a level that little to no provisions are provided, then someone with decent means might not want to be living in those kinds of neighborhood if s/he does not want to get raided by the neighbors.

I do tend to believe that there are cultural differences, as well, but also if a person kind of blends into a neighborhood, then less attention might be given to the person.  I am thinking that I am beyond the ability to really live (in a lodging way) and mingle in those kinds of situations (unless I have some of my own personal security or assurances that I won't be attacked), and I am hoping that I will not have to for whatever years that I have remaining.

By the way, sometimes if you live (or stay) in a certain area for a decent amount of time, you can venture out further and further and further, and personal comfort can increase, but even if I can get lodging for $10 a night or $300 a month, I may well choose to lodge in a place that is 3x more expensive or even more, just depending on my level of comfort... There are certain health and safety that I don't feel as tolerant of, and part of that has come from my own growing used to a certain level of comfort but also probably I am a lot more risk averse than I was in my youth, too.

Sounds like you are living in a not so safe neighborhood.... Of course, one of the things that any of us needs to consider is the condition of the neighborhood in which we live,

Ain't no such thing as a safe neighborhood when people are starving in the vicinity. True hunger strips any veneer of civilization.

and true lack of toilet paper before - except for true bears

Happy April

 

When I start to get into questionable areas, I tend to carry a bit of my own toilet paper, just in case.  But, yeah, if you get into such an area and you are not prepared, then you learn for the next time that you are going to need to carry some TP with you.

[Ibian]

I take it all back then. He's a good lad. Deep down.
Just get a move on. People are desperate, you may have noticed.

I am desperate after weeks of quarantine and boring price action in corn.

Saw a decent movie on Netflix:

The Hole
https://www.netflix.com/ch-en/title/81128579

A nice allegoric critique of the shitty capitalistic society we are were, before all this COVID shitshow, living in.

Bad news for you: any substitute is worse.

Tiny problem with that: We are and were socialists. Capitalism arguably died almost two hundred years ago. At the least, we can say that money has not been sound since Nixon, which means the economy itself has not been sound.

[El duderino_]

Another day in quarantaine another day of HODLing another day of going to the shop to prepare my own good foods and collect my own good wines.......

Most days she cooks, one day I cook.... gonna try some tuna steak Robespierre with pasta on the side, all truffle oiled and sheeeeeeeiiiit

LoL, stay safe, the Dude wearing hand gloves and go out for shopping

If we would see I minor dip today or in a foreseeable future, then I will stack some sats to increase future wealth and freedom!

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Another day in quarantaine another day of HODLing another day of going to the shop to prepare my own good foods and collect my own good wines.......

Most days she cooks, one day I cook.... gonna try some tuna steak Robespierre with pasta on the side, all truffle oiled and sheeeeeeeiiiit

LoL, stay safe, the Dude wearing hand gloves and go out for shopping

If we would see I minor dip today or in a foreseeable future, then I will stack some sats to increase future wealth and freedom!

I did dish-washing this morning and this is how we fight against this pandemic. Stay safe brother.

[JayJuanGee]

@JayJuanGee
Yes I have been attacked, probably you haven't read all messages
I tried to explain why some data are very weaks! This is not only my interpretation but the vast majority of people working in this field (99,99%) will agree with that.
Thats it.
Just a note: last but not least, I am not pretending to be a pharmacist. I am a pharmacist

If you, bitbollo, edit your post after I have already read it and responded to it, then I might not notice some of the additions or changes, which included this @jjg part of your earlier post, that I just noticed (due to nutildah's citing the "pretending" versus "am" assertion... shout out to nutildah.... ).

1) Of course, I have not read all of the messages, but I did notice some of the attacks, which probably you brought some of those onto yourself, even if perhaps you have been making some valid claims.

2) regarding your claiming to be a pharmacist.. I don't really have any reason to doubt you, but still I doubt that it really matters for all intents and purposes in this thread very much about whether you really are a pharmacist or you play one on tv. In other words, the fact that you feel some kind of need to keep asserting your credentials or your status or whatever the fuck likely indicates that you are both taking these matters too personally and you are NOT even really understanding or recognizing your ongoing lapses into appeal to authority errors in your ways, methods and approach in this here thread...   In other words (am I running out of words yet, no couldn't be cause I gots me selfie lots of words), we likely give less than two shits here about your purported credentials (whether true or not), but if you are ready, willing and able to make your arguments or your rebuttals, then that would be great.  You are more than welcome to present your ideas and to knock us down in various ways with actual substantive and meaningful arguments and evidence to the extent that you have some (and it seems to me that you do have a decent amount of that, but it does not either mean that you are 100% correct or that others do not have a right to attack or undermine your claims or to present their own claims).

[bitbollo]

@JayJuanGee
Yes I have been attacked, probably you haven't read all messages
I tried to explain why some data are very weaks! This is not only my interpretation but the vast majority of people working in this field (99,99%) will agree with that.
Thats it.
Just a note: last but not least, I am not pretending to be a pharmacist. I am a pharmacist

If you, bitbollo, edit your post after I have already read it and responded to it, then I might not notice some of the additions or changes, which included this @jjg part of your earlier post, that I just noticed (due to nutildah's citing the "pretending" versus "am" assertion... shout out to nutildah.... ).

1) Of course, I have not read all of the messages, but I did notice some of the attacks, which probably you brought some of those onto yourself, even if perhaps you have been making some valid claims.

2) regarding your claiming to be a pharmacist.. I don't really have any reason to doubt you, but still I doubt that it really matters for all intents and purposes in this thread very much about whether you really are a pharmacist or you play one on tv. In other words, the fact that you feel some kind of need to keep asserting your credentials or your status or whatever the fuck likely indicates that you are both taking these matters too personally and you are NOT even really understanding or recognizing your ongoing lapses into appeal to authority errors in your ways, methods and approach in this here thread...   In other words (am I running out of words yet, no couldn't be cause I gots me selfie lots of words), we likely give less than two shits here about your purported credentials (whether true or not), but if you are ready, willing and able to make your arguments or your rebuttals, then that would be great.  You are more than welcome to present your ideas and to knock us down in various ways with actual substantive and meaningful arguments and evidence to the extent that you have some (and it seems to me that you do have a decent amount of that, but it does not either mean that you are 100% correct or that others do not have a right to attack or undermine your claims or to present their own claims).

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1) When I see people spreading (like a virus ) FAKE AND DANGEROUS CLAIMS (proflylactic usage of HQC   ... ) and the only data published are about usage on patients with infection......  and the same user press on this argumentation without ANY VALID CLAIM.... and others start to insult me since I just make a joke regarding the fact that "I am Italian, and I also "love" science".... yes this is personal stuff and I wan't accept since in the real life anyone has their job and profession... but I don't want to talk anymore about it.

2) I put this as a disclaimer since I have seen too many people talking about SERIOUS STUFF claiming to be "experts" or able to make evaluation when they are not able to read a disclaimer in a pre-print, or are not able to understand what is the meaning of a clinical trial...

We are talking about disease, about people that die and are literally suffering.
You don't know how it's Italian situation right now, it's better for you, trust me!
Plus there is not only COVID19 but hundreds of horrible diseases and I can't accept to be fooled when I am talking about this.
I have just tried to explain from a scientific point of view (I am sorry but this is the cruel reality, this is my JOB!).

I don't pretend to be 100% correct, we are talking about science (OF COURSE),  I don't need to make any claims: I will not receive ANYTHING from it, but only trolls that despite forum's rules delegitimize what I have said.
It's unacceptable that people make fake claims or spread lies regarding treatment without any real knowledge of the argument. 

[LFC_Bitcoin]

New research reveals Copper Members are immune!

Just look at

Searing
LFC
this guy Hakorede from the Meta thread

All Copper Members, quoted the infected, don't have it.

I'm not quoting anybody today just to stay safe.

Edit: Oh wait, LFC, are you a Copper Member?

I bought a Copper Membership years ago bro, I’m not wearing it atm though. It appears my immune system wasn’t as good as I thought & I am infected.

Edit - Looks like you have it too, should have kept 2 metres away from me

[Lambie Slayer]

Lambie's very ill everybody. We must pray for him.
Hey little lamb if you die can you send both your bitcents to Bruno's fund?

Cyber begging for my riches now are we Master of the Bates?  

I have Hodlvirus, a symbiotic ally that makes me immune to selling and getting scared of viruses that pale in comparison to the 600k killer called the Flu. Cover those shorts and you can live with Hodlvirus too.  

[Cryptotourist]

Well, could be.  

Could be?
Try not eating for two days, and see if you can type.

We might be talking about a matter of degree rather than absolutes, b͓̺̀̾̍̅u͔̼͒̋̉͠t͎̳͌̀͡͝ of course, if matters get to such a level that little to no provisions are provided, then someone with decent means might not want to be living in those kinds of neighborhood if s/he does not want to get raided by the neighbors.

Don't worry.
Hungry people will always find you if you have food.

PS: They have to.

[Lauda]

Why is everyone in here infected? You need Kitty antibodies.

[jbreher]

My nephew has recently been expressing interest in knowing more about how the financial markets really work. It's nice to see him thinking for himself and expressing scepticism about the system. But I don't have much time at the moment to sit down with him and explain the corrupt relationship between the Fed, banking system, govts, QE, etc. etc. Any recommendations for something which I can direct him to which explains this all for a bright teenager who is already suitably cynical of mainstream media?

Maybe try The Creature from Jekyll Island? I have not read it (yet) but see it recommended enough to give it a shot.

Griffin's book is good, but best if one already has an understanding of the nature of the system we live under. Plus, it's been out of print for some time - may be hard to find a copy (?)

An afternoon watching Mike Maloney's videos on YouTube would be a great intro.