@JayJuanGee
Yes I have been attacked, probably you haven't read all messages
I tried to explain why some data are very weaks! This is not only my interpretation but the vast majority of people working in this field (99,99%) will agree with that.
Thats it.
Just a note: last but not least, I am not pretending to be a pharmacist. I am a pharmacist
If you, bitbollo, edit your post after I have already read it and responded to it, then I might not notice some of the additions or changes, which included this @jjg part of your earlier post, that I just noticed
(due to nutildah's citing the "pretending" versus "am" assertion... shout out to nutildah.... ).
1) Of course, I have not read all of the messages, but I did notice some of the attacks, which probably you brought some of those onto yourself, even if perhaps you have been making some valid claims.
2) regarding your claiming to be a pharmacist.. I don't really have any reason to doubt you, but still I doubt that it really matters for all intents and purposes in this thread very much about whether you really are a pharmacist or you play one on tv. In other words, the fact that you feel some kind of need to keep asserting your credentials or your status or whatever the fuck likely indicates that you are both taking these matters too personally and you are NOT even really understanding or recognizing your ongoing lapses into appeal to authority errors in your ways, methods and approach in this here thread... In other words
(am I running out of words yet, no couldn't be cause I gots me selfie lots of words), we likely give less than two shits here about your purported credentials (whether true or not), but if you are ready, willing and able to make your arguments or your rebuttals, then that would be great. You are more than welcome to present your ideas and to knock us down in various ways with actual substantive and meaningful arguments and evidence to the extent that you have some
(and it seems to me that you do have a decent amount of that, but it does not either mean that you are 100% correct or that others do not have a right to attack or undermine your claims or to present their own claims).
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1) When I see people spreading (like a virus
) FAKE AND DANGEROUS CLAIMS (proflylactic usage of HQC
... ) and the only data published are about usage on patients with infection...... and the same user press on this argumentation without ANY VALID CLAIM.... and others start to insult me since I just make a joke regarding the fact that "I am Italian, and I also "love" science".... yes this is personal stuff and I wan't accept since in the real life anyone has their job and profession... but I don't want to talk anymore about it.
Yes... it is already pretty well known and accepted that Italians are filled with lots of passion(s).
2) I put this as a disclaimer since I have seen too many people talking about SERIOUS STUFF claiming to be "experts" or able to make evaluation when they are not able to read a disclaimer in a pre-print, or are not able to understand what is the meaning of a clinical trial...
I think people know, especially if you explain to them if they have made some misunderstandings. Yeah, people are dumb too, but it is not a good approach to present yourself as all knowing and others are dumb, because you are going to start to seem like the dumb one for having had devolved into too much pretentiousness and presumptions... which would not be very scientific, correct?
We are talking about disease, about people that die and are literally suffering.
Of course, there are all kinds of problems in the world, and sure there is some panic going on in regards to this particular situation in part based on the amount of press that it is getting and also based on lots of inconsistencies in the information presented and maybe even lack of testing, preparations, supplies and equipment, and a lot of economic activities shutting down, infringements on freedoms, movements and privacy, etc.
You don't know how it's Italian situation right now, it's better for you, trust me!
I did not know that this was ONLY an italian situation or topic.
Plus there is not only COVID19 but hundreds of horrible diseases and I can't accept to be fooled when I am talking about this.
I already saw that you are participating in other threads that are about COVID19, but this here thread is about bitcoin... so yeah, we are also talking about COVID19 because it relates to bitcoin, but I doubt that we are wanting to get too much into COVID19 technicalities.. but on the other hand, yeah, if we are talking about cures, or prophylaxis or various other approaches to treatment attempts, then there is ONLY so far that we should be delving too much into technicalities about COVID19 specifics in this thread, but of course, if you have points that you want to make or corrections that you want to make, then you are more than welcome to do that... On the other hand, it can become a bit problematic if you become too emotional or defensive about whatever points you are making or attempting to make...
I have just tried to explain from a scientific point of view (I am sorry but this is the cruel reality, this is my JOB!).
I suspect that a lot of members appreciate your perspective. Maybe not everyone, but a sufficient number of people.
I don't pretend to be 100% correct, we are talking about science (OF COURSE), I don't need to make any claims: I will not receive ANYTHING from it, but only trolls that despite forum's rules delegitimize what I have said.
You have made claims, and you have also made rebuttal attempts.
Sure it is up to you regarding how you present your facts and your arguments in order to do these things.
It's unacceptable that people make fake claims or spread lies regarding treatment without any real knowledge of the argument.
You are not going to stop false claims and differing ways that people have of presenting materials, and you are also not going to stop some people from being gullible.
Likely each of us have our own responsibilities in terms of how to digest information and how large of a grain of salt to take various kinds of presentations of information. Sure, some of us are more gullible than others, and sometimes we don't even know our own levels of ignorance or incompetence, but in the end, members with varying levels of competence and ignorance are going to participate in forum threads like this one, and there is only so much that can be done to purify the information that is shared.. some people are inevitably going to be duped, from time to time. that is just the way of the world and the ways of the interwebs
(a series of tubes).
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