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It feels like a bear market. Maybe (hopefully) a local one.

Not predicting anything, but a continuation of this would be similar to $6.5K 'flat' that fooled everybody in 2018.
It ended with almost vertical decline from $6.K to $3.1K where we had capitulation. "Math and science" $ for $ comparison would stipulate $17-20K bottom if this scenario plays out. Probability: imho, 30-50%. The rest (50-70%): we would just scrape some bottom (hopefully, above 30K) and slowly (at first ) turn around and proceed to some ATH.

Why do I have the same feeling (of 2018 deja vu):
a. We have a few very large, but very iffy holders (starting with Musk, maybe PTJ, even Novo).
b. We have another large holder (M. Saylor), who bought one large tranche too high and did not buy it using cash. Instead, he borrowed money. Ideologically, he is a hodler, but we don't know if he had any debt covenants. Hopefully, none. His average is about 24K. I believe that he would hold even if we get there and below, but who knows.
c. Wall street absolutely loves when someone takes a known leveraged position and they are able to hammer such entity with a down move, trying to force a liquidation sale.

EDIT: Of course, S2F and the fact that we never went below prior ATH in a bear market gives credence to an argument that it is not likely. We shall see.
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 Shocked Shocked

my patience is not infinite with you more experienced guys. Since days I'm trying hard to convince the not so experienced ones that this is not the beginning of a bear market but all what I see here is whimpering older ones. Damn it! More discipline please.

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

EDIT: level of $35k is where a lot of buyers think it's a fair price for 1 bitcoin. to get higher prices we need either more buyers than sellers or some catalyst event to drive the price higher.

EDIT2: with that smileys my post starts to looking like JJG ones. but to be clear I use a different Bot software than he.
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It feels like a bear market. Maybe (hopefully) a local one.


What a bunch of bullshit.

You are either in a bearmarket or you are not.

If you happen to be in a "local one" then that is called a correction.

So, yes, it seems way the fuck more likely that we are in a correction than a bearmarket, and sure if several months down the road it starts to appear that we are NOT recovering from this particular correction, then we could proclaim that we  were in a bearmarket and such bear market began on May 11 or whatever date becomes apparent... blah blah blah. .and we realized that we were in such bearmarket on x date.  It is way the fuck premature to be recognizing that we are in a bearmarket (if it were to be true) on June 5.. and sure you were already saying we were in a bearmarket on May 11.. so you are sooooooo excittteeee to call a bear market as soon as you can.  What a dweeb.

Not predicting anything, but a continuation of this would be similar to $6.5K 'flat' that fooled everybody in 2018.

Huh?  Yeah, we figured out that we were in a bearmarket in 2018 later down the road, but we visited $6k support several times between about February and November before it finally broke below $6k.. so in some sense it is a big so fucking what.. we were in a bear market.. and then we seemed to have had stayed in that bearmarket until about April 2019 and confirmed to be out in about mid May 2019.


It ended with almost vertical decline from $6.K to $3.1K where we had capitulation. "Math and science" $ for $ comparison would stipulate $17-20K bottom if this scenario plays out. Probability: imho, 30-50%. The rest (50-70%): we would just scrape some bottom (hopefully, above 30K) and slowly (at first ) turn around and proceed to some ATH.

Fair enough.. but does seem to be pretty high probabilities that you are assigning to those downward scenarios, which is also fair if you are assessing that we are actually in a bear market.  Hopefully you are adequately pee pared for UPpity.. but yeah, of course you will claim that you are adequately prepared for UP, but then you will whine the whole time if we go up rather than down, just like you have been doing all the way up from $10k.

So, your proclamation for down seems more like a wish rather than an actual reasonable assessment of where we happen to be at.

Why do I have the same feeling (of 2018 deja vu):

Because you are a dweeb?

#nohomo


a. We have a few very large, but very iffy holders (starting with Musk, maybe PTJ, even Novo).

Don't know who is PTJ...... oh.. just thought about it.. o.kk.. Paul Tutor Jones.

Not sure if their sales of their stash would change BTC's trajectory.. but sure.. perhaps.

b. We have another large holder (M. Saylor), who bought one large tranche too high and did not buy it using cash. Instead, he borrowed money. Ideologically, he is a hodler, but we don't know if he had any debt covenants. Hopefully, none. His average is about 24K. I believe that he would hold even if we get there and below, but who knows.

I would think that he is continuing to buy.. but sure, we do not know.. but does seem like a long shot to suggest that he is selling his 92k plus company coins and his more than 17k personal coins.  His personal coins were obtained below $10k.. but sure he may have bought some more since last year, and he does not necessarily need to disclose his personal stash.

c. Wall street absolutely loves when someone takes a known leveraged position and they are able to hammer such entity with a down move, trying to force a liquidation sale.

Still talking about Saylor,?  So fucking what.

He took two leveraged positions with his company, and likely each of those for about $1billion each.  The first one was at .75%  (not a very high interest rate), and the second one was at 0%, so hardly seems problematic with either of those unless his company becomes unable to make their payments to service the loans.. I cannot recall what the payment terms were or if they just all come due at the end?  Perhaps they all come due at the end.. each of them were 5 years I believe.

Largely, you Biodom seem to be exaggerating in order to justify your premature (and likely ongoing disgruntled) bearish position.. but whatever, do what you like, and we will see what happens.. I know that diptwats like you like to get really active as the BTC price is going down... so hopefully you can help to scare some newbies into selling.. which is largely the opposite of what newbies should be doing.. because historically we have seen way too much evidence of nocoiners (or under invested peeps) sitting on the fence too long, failing to buy enough to prepare for UP, and then at some point the price does not come down and they are waiting, waiting and waiting and finally, if they buy, they end up buying at the top...

Don't get me wrong, I don't care too much if people do dumb stuff, but surely you, Biodom, and some of the other dweebs, tend to talk a pretty Big bunch of bullshit to suggest that peeps are going to have opportunities to buy lower.. which they may or may not end up having.
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June 05, 2021, 11:08:48 PM

Shocked Shocked

my patience is not infinite with you more experienced guys. Since days I'm trying hard to convince the not so experienced ones that this is not the beginning of a bear market but all what I see here is whimpering older ones. Damn it! More discipline please.

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

EDIT: level of $35k is where a lot of buyers think it's a fair price for 1 bitcoin. to get higher prices we need either more buyers than sellers or some catalyst event to drive the price higher.

Stop fucking generalizing.. if you have specific complaints about certain "older" ones then call them out specifically or respond to them or their ideas specifically..

Sure some things can be a bit irritating, but a lot of us are all over the place regarding what we support and what we don't and I have been called too bearish sometimes too.. but much of this is relative and depends upon the topic and depends upon what the price might be doing at the time, no?

Also to me, it seems that you are attempting to suggest that you are the ONLY bullish one (or the only one with a vision and blah blah blah).  Actually some longer term members get so depressed that they just stop posting, and all of those reactions are fair.. because we really do not know where the BTC price is going to go, especially in the short term...

So surely you are not the one with the ONLY true perspective of what is actually happening.. and I have seen you seeming to panic in the past, too.. so each of us have our points that we might lose our cool, or whatever.  Also, each of us has our ways of framing matters, including discussions regarding how much we assign to UP or DOWN or how much we are potentially worried if $30,066 happens to be the bottom for this particular correction or not. 

You, Gyrsur, do not know if $30,066 is the bottom or not, but sure you likely have a plan (this time) and so you do not seem to be panicking, and I have nothing against you suggesting that you are NOT panicking.   Actually, that reminds me about mindrust on March 12 (or was it 11th) 2020.. About an hour before he posted that he had sold everything, he had posted that he had just bought some more bitcoin and that brought him to 10BTC.. so he seemed cool as a cucumber, until he wasn't.  Poor guy.   Cry Cry Cry

EDIT2: with that smileys my post starts to looking like JJG ones. but to be clear I use a different Bot software than he.

Fair enough regarding your Turing completedness self-awarening.  I personally believe that either you and your lil bot, too needs to reboot, or maybe a good batman slappening might do the trick.  #justsaying.  #nohomo
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Whenever I'm bored and I want to read some funny scathing, blistering, long winded rebuttal to any wo bro who bravely posts a bitcoin price prediction or even more courageously, mentions the word "c****o",
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Whenever I'm bored and I want to read some funny scathing, blistering, long winded rebuttal to any wo bro who bravely posts a bitcoin price prediction or even more bravely, mentions the word "c****o",
well, I just click on a random jay post.....
(complete with uppities, downities, surly, lil selfie, perhaps, dweebs and lots of words ending with "enings")

(love ya jay...no homo)




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that uppity dweeb bot surly provides WO downity, does it not? ...it's lil selfie, perhaps?
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that uppity dweeb bot surly provides WO downity, does it not? ...it's lil selfie, perhaps?

lol.... just missing some pumpenings/dumpenings or some such thingening....
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Needed some cash so I liquidated around 1600 of coins we will not mention.

I still hodl the btc.

Mining does have bills to pay.
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I had such strong mixed emotions about this bitcoin conference from afar.

It really showed the two edged sword of the Maxi community, in my humble opinion.  It was like a religious gathering at times, sickeningly so.  And that thing with Kaiser strutting around like Steve Balmer basically turning the thing into a Bitconnect rally.  C.mon Max.  Damn.

On the other hand Jack Mallers (such a badass) open sources the work he did in El Salvador on drafting legislation to add BTC as legal currency so other countries can use that model, And rightfully says:  "Today a country chose bitcoin as a national currency with a supply that cannot be altered by a central bank... ...Don't let people tell you otherwise that you're mean on the internet, that you made a meme that hurt someones feelings.  This was all the code we wrote. All the PRs we reviewed.  All the twitter threads where we defended (against) nonsense.  I didn't see dogecoin in this presentation ONE FUCKING INCH".

Two kinds of maxis. (Not that I dislike Max usually.. he just seemed a bit... well... coked up or something)

But the coolest thing is none of that matters at all. Bitcoin does not give a shit if you are rooting for it, or not.  It does not know who Elon Musk is, and it does not care what the current price is.  It does not care if you also think ETH is worth something, and it does not care if you buy drugs with it, or give it to a church.

But the potential it has to good just by being what it is in sharp contrast to the rigged evil system we have all lived under.  Well, actually, it does not care about that either. Wink

That matters to us though!



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Needed some cash so I liquidated around 1600 of coins we will not mention.

I still hodl the btc.

Mining does have bills to pay.

About $600 worth of bills I am just guessing? Wink
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Whenever I'm bored and I want to read some funny scathing, blistering, long winded rebuttal to any wo bro who bravely posts a bitcoin price prediction or even more courageously, mentions the word "c****o",
well, I just click on a random jay post.....
(complete with uppities, downities, surly, lil selfie, perhaps, dweebs and lots of words ending with "enings")

(love ya jay...no homo)




Well maybe I should call you a little c**t - how would that make you feel?

Good?

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#haiku

that uppity dweeb bot surly provides WO downity, does it not? ...it's lil selfie, perhaps?

I'm going to have to ponder a wee bit MOAR longer regarding if there might be any there, there.

So far to date, as I b typening this postening, I just getting - "does not compute."  

Only other interpretation that I considered was:  "could be poetry? (a kind of art)" So there are those angles.   Shocked Shocked
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