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[Toxic2040]

just put all that aside and absorb the cinematography then if you dont believe humanity is impacting our environment         either you believe in science and the theory of closed systems or you do not

What is the closed system in your scenario?

I am not sure I can teach you the whole concept of thermodynamics in a reasonable amount of time in this thread. Also not knowing your education level I am not sure how technical you would want a explanation to be. Suffice to say that earth as a whole is the closed system. It receives energy from a couple of sources..radial velocity(the curve of space) and the Sun. It radiates that energy as heat and light thus maintaining a basic state where the inputs and outputs are in balance. ie We dont fly off into space or crash into the Sun. As I said before it is not exactly true...atoms are stripped off the upper exosphere due to solar winds and cosmic rays and matter is injected in the form of meteors. But for our purposes in such negligible amounts as to be basically zero.
  Inside the earths atmosphere there are a multitude of systems where matter and energy are exchanged...which is the definition of a open system. ie  Rain...clouds...water or flux if you will...life and and our biosphere transfer these linked properties constantly due to feedback. Plenty of good material out there if your interested....it might blow your mind...it did me.

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[Toxic2040]

just put all that aside and absorb the cinematography then if you dont believe humanity is impacting our environment         either you believe in science and the theory of closed systems or you do not

What is the closed system in your scenario?

... presumably the one that ignores the giant nuclear fusion reactor bathing one hemisphere in fluctuating levels of irradiance ... and the ~2.3K of cold space sucking heat off the other hemisphere

Nice graph...thank you marcus...please tell the class which of those graphs represent open systems and which are closed systems.

[sirazimuth]

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Nice graph...thank you marcus...please tell the class which of those graphs represent open systems and which are closed systems.

Maybe he could explain it with an equation ...

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[Toxic2040]

Its all good...I dont want to be more of a dick than I already have. Fuck the maths of it all and just go outside and look around...really look. Things are changing...things have changed just in my lifetime. I have seen it with mine own eye. How many species have gone extinct the last 100 years...how many tons of toxic waste has been dumped into land fills and our oceans? How many extreme weather events happened over the last 20 years? How many glaciers have melted affecting water supply..how much have the polar caps melted affecting the jet streams? Putting a stick in a pot and stirring things around and expecting no noticeable effects is ludicrous in my opinion. My whole point was that I think we can do better. Plain and simple.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[Toxic2040]

evening charts

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4h
dragonflies swarm around as corn stalks rise



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old man yelled at cat...it didnt listen thankfully

#stronghands

[shahzadafzal]

This is crazy absolutely nuts

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[JayJuanGee]

Its all good...I dont want to be more of a dick than I already have. Fuck the maths of it all and just go outside and look around...really look. Things are changing...things have changed just in my lifetime. I have seen it with mine own eye.

Maths do not change that much, at least from my understanding as a mathematician lay person.

How many species have gone extinct the last 100 years...how many tons of toxic waste has been dumped into land fills and our oceans? How many extreme weather events happened over the last 20 years? How many glaciers have melted affecting water supply..how much have the polar caps melted affecting the jet streams? Putting a stick in a pot and stirring things around and expecting no noticeable effects is ludicrous in my opinion. My whole point was that I think we can do better. Plain and simple.

Oh?

You are much deeper than maths and sciences, you are into application.. which surely peeps are not going to agree upon, and sure maybe bad choices are made from time to time.

Sometimes I feel that I am too old too get caught up in a lot of that stuffs, and I was much more involved in some of those concerns about justices and injustices in some of my earlier years.. .. but sure, we all live somewhere.. and sometimes we might have concerns about some of the various injustices in the world, whether referring to environment or even the use of labor and capital... Is bitcoin going to fix any of it?  or does some of it relate to this topic?  You meanie.

By the way, with all this recent BTC price action, we might even be able to get to $38k in the coming days.. maybe?  I personally consider that the resistance would be in the lower $40ks, like $42k/$43k,. but maybe I am just too optimistic about our current price range in the consideration that there might well be resistance before $42k/$43k.. and especially if there is some kind of merit in the claims of our possibly being in a bear market.

Another aspect is that I doubt that I am being overly optimistic anyhow, because I am not going to rest assured about the bottom being in (in the case that it is in) until prices reach the $46k arena... Is that even possible?  Would be nice to see a few shorts get burned.. in our progression to the $46k territory to test things out... and then yeah.. going straight to $46k might cause less confidence in terms of an ability to go straight up, but I still would not mind watching the price go up there and then witnessing (again) how so many fucktwats are shocked.. shocked again and again, even though we have never left the bull market, but some folks were thinking that we had left.... we will see.  We will see... I might be getting too anxious.. someone stop me.

[explorer]

Its all good...I dont want to be more of a dick than I already have. Fuck the maths of it all and just go outside and look around...really look. Things are changing...things have changed just in my lifetime. I have seen it with mine own eye. How many species have gone extinct the last 100 years...how many tons of toxic waste has been dumped into land fills and our oceans? How many extreme weather events happened over the last 20 years? How many glaciers have melted affecting water supply..how much have the polar caps melted affecting the jet streams? Putting a stick in a pot and stirring things around and expecting no noticeable effects is ludicrous in my opinion. My whole point was that I think we can do better. Plain and simple.

   

   Same reason changes are happening on all planets in the solar system, and the sun, and all the stars between us and the galactic center.  It is all well documented, though mostly buried and ignored by the mainstream, like so many things these days.   Its a 12000 year cyclical event. I could blow your mind with links, if it weren't a closed system.   Pollution Bad!  Yes!  But nature mops us up periodically before we fuck it up too badly.  Maybe we do worse next time.  Oh, and I'm not sure I agree with your definition of a closed system as being a system where inputs and outputs are balanced.  Actually I am sure.  It is incorrect.

[virasog]

[Tash]

This is crazy absolutely nuts

Maybe some people never seen a microwave over or what 2.4 GHz can do.
Have device close to brain on left and right side is absolutly nuts

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[Toxic2040]

Its all good...I dont want to be more of a dick than I already have. Fuck the maths of it all and just go outside and look around...really look. Things are changing...things have changed just in my lifetime. I have seen it with mine own eye.

Maths do not change that much, at least from my understanding as a mathematician lay person.

How many species have gone extinct the last 100 years...how many tons of toxic waste has been dumped into land fills and our oceans? How many extreme weather events happened over the last 20 years? How many glaciers have melted affecting water supply..how much have the polar caps melted affecting the jet streams? Putting a stick in a pot and stirring things around and expecting no noticeable effects is ludicrous in my opinion. My whole point was that I think we can do better. Plain and simple.

Oh?

You are much deeper than maths and sciences, you are into application.. which surely peeps are not going to agree upon, and sure maybe bad choices are made from time to time.

Sometimes I feel that I am too old too get caught up in a lot of that stuffs, and I was much more involved in some of those concerns about justices and injustices in some of my earlier years.. .. but sure, we all live somewhere.. and sometimes we might have concerns about some of the various injustices in the world, whether referring to environment or even the use of labor and capital... Is bitcoin going to fix any of it?  or does some of it relate to this topic?  You meanie.

By the way, with all this recent BTC price action, we might even be able to get to $38k in the coming days.. maybe?  I personally consider that the resistance would be in the lower $40ks, like $42k/$43k,. but maybe I am just too optimistic about our current price range in the consideration that there might well be resistance before $42k/$43k.. and especially if there is some kind of merit in the claims of our possibly being in a bear market.

Another aspect is that I doubt that I am being overly optimistic anyhow, because I am not going to rest assured about the bottom being in (in the case that it is in) until prices reach the $46k arena... Is that even possible?  Would be nice to see a few shorts get burned.. in our progression to the $46k territory to test things out... and then yeah.. going straight to $46k might cause less confidence in terms of an ability to go straight up, but I still would not mind watching the price go up there and then witnessing (again) how so many fucktwats are shocked.. shocked again and again, even though we have never left the bull market, but some folks were thinking that we had left.... we will see.  We will see... I might be getting too anxious.. someone stop me.

you are correct..how silly of me to think anything can be done about anything...we should all just give up

as for any relationship to btc...tangentially we could speculate that MICs and the corporate cartels who seem to be the worst offenders in that arena will go broke once shitty fiat crashes and burns

ps  stahp

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Its all good...I dont want to be more of a dick than I already have. Fuck the maths of it all and just go outside and look around...really look. Things are changing...things have changed just in my lifetime. I have seen it with mine own eye. How many species have gone extinct the last 100 years...how many tons of toxic waste has been dumped into land fills and our oceans? How many extreme weather events happened over the last 20 years? How many glaciers have melted affecting water supply..how much have the polar caps melted affecting the jet streams? Putting a stick in a pot and stirring things around and expecting no noticeable effects is ludicrous in my opinion. My whole point was that I think we can do better. Plain and simple.

   

   Same reason changes are happening on all planets in the solar system, and the sun, and all the stars between us and the galactic center.  It is all well documented, though mostly buried and ignored by the mainstream, like so many things these days.   Its a 12000 year cyclical event. I could blow your mind with links, if it weren't a closed system.   Pollution Bad!  Yes!  But nature mops us up periodically before we fuck it up too badly.  Maybe we do worse next time.  Oh, and I'm not sure I agree with your definition of a closed system as being a system where inputs and outputs are balanced.  Actually I am sure.  It is incorrect.

Please supply your definition then is about all I can say...and I think I am correct...the only thing exchanged in a closed system is energy.

here are the maths that prove it

[JayJuanGee]

Its all good...I dont want to be more of a dick than I already have. Fuck the maths of it all and just go outside and look around...really look. Things are changing...things have changed just in my lifetime. I have seen it with mine own eye.

Maths do not change that much, at least from my understanding as a mathematician lay person.

How many species have gone extinct the last 100 years...how many tons of toxic waste has been dumped into land fills and our oceans? How many extreme weather events happened over the last 20 years? How many glaciers have melted affecting water supply..how much have the polar caps melted affecting the jet streams? Putting a stick in a pot and stirring things around and expecting no noticeable effects is ludicrous in my opinion. My whole point was that I think we can do better. Plain and simple.

Oh?

You are much deeper than maths and sciences, you are into application.. which surely peeps are not going to agree upon, and sure maybe bad choices are made from time to time.

Sometimes I feel that I am too old too get caught up in a lot of that stuffs, and I was much more involved in some of those concerns about justices and injustices in some of my earlier years.. .. but sure, we all live somewhere.. and sometimes we might have concerns about some of the various injustices in the world, whether referring to environment or even the use of labor and capital... Is bitcoin going to fix any of it?  or does some of it relate to this topic?  You meanie.

By the way, with all this recent BTC price action, we might even be able to get to $38k in the coming days.. maybe?  I personally consider that the resistance would be in the lower $40ks, like $42k/$43k,. but maybe I am just too optimistic about our current price range in the consideration that there might well be resistance before $42k/$43k.. and especially if there is some kind of merit in the claims of our possibly being in a bear market.

Another aspect is that I doubt that I am being overly optimistic anyhow, because I am not going to rest assured about the bottom being in (in the case that it is in) until prices reach the $46k arena... Is that even possible?  Would be nice to see a few shorts get burned.. in our progression to the $46k territory to test things out... and then yeah.. going straight to $46k might cause less confidence in terms of an ability to go straight up, but I still would not mind watching the price go up there and then witnessing (again) how so many fucktwats are shocked.. shocked again and again, even though we have never left the bull market, but some folks were thinking that we had left.... we will see.  We will see... I might be getting too anxious.. someone stop me.

you are correct..how silly of me to think anything can be done about anything...we should all just give up

For sure, I am not suggesting to give up, and on a personal level, I feel good that at least we are not talking about shitcoins, so there is that positive angle, no?

as for any relationship to btc...tangentially we could speculate that MICs and the corporate cartels who seem to be the worst offenders in that arena will go broke once shitty fiat crashes and burns

Hm?  I don't know the mechanics for sure.  I would suspect that there are going to be quite a few rebalances of issues in regards to how BTC changes incentives, and surely could take many decades (generations) to play out, so in the mean time on a personal level, if you are able to get richie from BTC, whether a stash of 0.21 BTC or greater, you may likely have more influence (and resources), too in terms of attempting to influence discussions or attempting to put into practice any measures that you believe to be going in a better direction. 

For sure, bitcoin does not get rid of any kind of free-rider problem that exists with the funding of any seemingly public goods, and probably for that reason government is going to always serve some kind of role in attempting to both identify and provide balancing measures in regards to what are considered public goods.

ps  stahp

Is that message directed inwardly or outwardly?  Which belly button is it?

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[Richy_T]

I am not sure I can teach you the whole concept of thermodynamics in a reasonable amount of time in this thread.

That's fine. I believe my o-level and a-level teachers and the lecturers that contributed to my physics degree have you covered.

[Toxic2040]

ps  stahp

Is that message directed inwardly or outwardly?  Which belly button is it?

Inwardly of course Jay.

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I am not sure I can teach you the whole concept of thermodynamics in a reasonable amount of time in this thread.

That's fine. I believe my o-level and a-level teachers and the lecturers that contributed to my physics degree have you covered.

Then why ask?  And I am not particularly impressed with degrees bragged about on a internet forum to be honest. All I am getting from quite a few of you is that you just want to argue. I am done at this point. Zero sum game.

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Good night.

[JayJuanGee]

And I am not particularly impressed with degrees bragged about on a internet forum to be honest. All I am getting from quite a few of you is that you just want to argue. I am done at this point. Zero sum game.

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