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PlanB is explaining the fine prints:


https://twitter.com/100trillionUSD/status/1427300104608919556?s=20

Anyway, S2F is fine for me.
135K for Dec would be ok for me.
170K for Dec... better for reasons

For sure I like PlanB and his data, but sometimes I have to think: "holy fucking shit" or oh gawd...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes....is the guy delusional, or what?  

He is supposed to be a scientist.  $43k for September and $63k for October as a worse case scenario.. holy fucking shit.. that is almost retarded.. like the odds are zero that we will go below $43k in September or zero odds that we will go below $63k in October..

I never heard anything more ridiculous from a supposed science.. even though I agree with a lot of his other ideas and about the model, but he seems to conclude that the model is broken if any of the things beyond the model expectation parameters play out such as the below $43k for September or the below $63k for October.  

He seems to be inviting his own failure (or the failure of his model and then if the unthinkable were to occur then he has to revise his conceptualization of model parameters and blah blah blah and say .. but what I meant to say was.. blah blah blah)..  

Please.. let's get a divorce.. ... divorce PlanB from his own model.  #nohomo


 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Please note for what it is worth that I claim to be a layperson non-scientist making these kinds of criticism of the scientist assertions.

I enjoyed listening to the latest episode of "What Bitcoin Did" - Peter McCormack talks with PlanB about his S2F model, it's the first time I've listened to him talk about it in person (and not just via tweets).

I listened to the podcast but it can be found here too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoFwkxoss6Y

It's worth a watch/listen, not just for the S2F stuff, but also their thoughts on the impending global financial crisis #2 and how a financial crash is unlikely, with it being more likely to be a financial reset. There's little to be gained by me paraphrasing their discussion, so I'd recommend listening to it directly. Lots of food for thought.
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Plan B
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IMO we are going up, first to 100k, then 288k
https://twitter.com/100trillionusd/status/1427707790810914827?s=21
Let me understand is he predicting that we will go to 100k then 288k in 1 cycle or 2? Both sound like bullshit I am not sure how he came to those numbers so soon but I guess it is trying to gain fame and more followers instead of delivering accurate or reasonable predictions.

Your account is a 2016 registration. You should know that honeybadger is more than capable of minimum x 2 in price on a very short timescale.

Do you not remember Q3 & Q4 of 2017?

$100,000 is quite likely this year imo.
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Plan B
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Both BTC S2F (white line) and on-chain signal (color, not red yet) still indicating a 2nd leg of this bull market.
https://twitter.com/100trillionusd/status/1427698542219612167?s=21




Plan B
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IMO we are going up, first to 100k, then 288k
https://twitter.com/100trillionusd/status/1427707790810914827?s=21



Yeah if we could just fucking send it, that’d be great.
I’m LFC & thanks for coming to my TED talk.

Sounds lush  Cool

I've never questioned the $250-300K levels for a blow off top, and quite relevantly, when.did Bitcoin''s bull markets never have one??? If Plan B manages to send it like he plans to, it's got good odds. An LFC style send, I'm less convinced of though. No offense.
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Plan B
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IMO we are going up, first to 100k, then 288k
https://twitter.com/100trillionusd/status/1427707790810914827?s=21
Let me understand is he predicting that we will go to 100k then 288k in 1 cycle or 2? Both sound like bullshit I am not sure how he came to those numbers so soon but I guess it is trying to gain fame and more followers instead of delivering accurate or reasonable predictions.

Your account is a 2016 registration. You should know that honeybadger is more than capable of minimum x 2 in price on a very short timescale.

Do you not remember Q3 & Q4 of 2017?

$100,000 is quite likely this year imo.
I have predicted a couple of posts up that we will reach $250k in 10 years not out of anything that I can back it up with but because of my personal optimism which was based on the years before that we had big unexpected bull runs. My opinion differs from you after listening to what JJG said but I did predict 100k in 5 years which I will keep that prediction. I think 100k and then 288k in the same cycle is bullshit not that he has predicted that Bitcoin will get to 100k or 288k I doubt that it would get between them numbers in 2 cycles. If I am proven wrong I will be happy about it as we will all make a lot of money but has JJG says this is not likely to happen.

I have not followed this PlanB guy before? Is he good at predictions? Maybe I am the idiot for doubting him.
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Plan B
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IMO we are going up, first to 100k, then 288k
https://twitter.com/100trillionusd/status/1427707790810914827?s=21
Let me understand is he predicting that we will go to 100k then 288k in 1 cycle or 2? Both sound like bullshit I am not sure how he came to those numbers so soon but I guess it is trying to gain fame and more followers instead of delivering accurate or reasonable predictions.

Your account is a 2016 registration. You should know that honeybadger is more than capable of minimum x 2 in price on a very short timescale.

Do you not remember Q3 & Q4 of 2017?

$100,000 is quite likely this year imo.
I have predicted a couple of posts up that we will reach $250k in 10 years not out of anything that I can back it up with but because of my personal optimism which was based on the years before that we had big unexpected bull runs. My opinion differs from you after listening to what JJG said but I did predict 100k in 5 years which I will keep that prediction. I think 100k and then 288k in the same cycle is bullshit not that he has predicted that Bitcoin will get to 100k or 288k I doubt that it would get between them numbers in 2 cycles. If I am proven wrong I will be happy about it as we will all make a lot of money but has JJG says this is not likely to happen.

I have not followed this PlanB guy before? Is he good at predictions? Maybe I am the idiot for doubting him.

Don't listen to JJG too much right now, he's basically mid term bearish but long term bull  Tongue

Once new ATH comes he'll change his tune, I'm sure of it  Cool

We're going UP. I'm 90% sure now. JJG knocked 5% off me.
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I enjoyed listening to the latest episode of "What Bitcoin Did" - Peter McCormack talks with PlanB about his S2F model, it's the first time I've listened to him talk about it in person (and not just via tweets).

I listened to the podcast but it can be found here too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoFwkxoss6Y

It's worth a watch/listen, not just for the S2F stuff, but also their thoughts on the impending global financial crisis #2 and how a financial crash is unlikely, with it being more likely to be a financial reset. There's little to be gained by me paraphrasing their discussion, so I'd recommend listening to it directly. Lots of food for thought.

If you want to listen more from PlanB I recommend listening to the Stephan Livera Podcasts, where he was invited as a guest I think at least thrice.
I guess you can find the links in my unconditional loveinformative thread about PlanB's models:

Stock-to-Flow Model: Modeling Bitcoin's Value with Scarcity
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Plan B
@100trillionUSD
IMO we are going up, first to 100k, then 288k
https://twitter.com/100trillionusd/status/1427707790810914827?s=21
Let me understand is he predicting that we will go to 100k then 288k in 1 cycle or 2? Both sound like bullshit I am not sure how he came to those numbers so soon but I guess it is trying to gain fame and more followers instead of delivering accurate or reasonable predictions.

Your account is a 2016 registration. You should know that honeybadger is more than capable of minimum x 2 in price on a very short timescale.

Do you not remember Q3 & Q4 of 2017?

$100,000 is quite likely this year imo.
I have predicted a couple of posts up that we will reach $250k in 10 years not out of anything that I can back it up with but because of my personal optimism which was based on the years before that we had big unexpected bull runs. My opinion differs from you after listening to what JJG said but I did predict 100k in 5 years which I will keep that prediction. I think 100k and then 288k in the same cycle is bullshit not that he has predicted that Bitcoin will get to 100k or 288k I doubt that it would get between them numbers in 2 cycles. If I am proven wrong I will be happy about it as we will all make a lot of money but has JJG says this is not likely to happen.

I have not followed this PlanB guy before? Is he good at predictions? Maybe I am the idiot for doubting him.

Don't listen to JJG too much right now, he's basically mid term bearish but long term bull  Tongue

Once new ATH comes he'll change his tune, I'm sure of it  Cool

We're going UP. I'm 90% sure now. JJG knocked 5% off me.
JJG has got a lot more experience than me and has good reasoning to his predictions. I hope that he is wrong but I can see that it probably is more realism than my predictions. I can not pretend that I understand all the charts that you guys post but JJG puts those charts into words which helps people like me. I would be silly not to listen a little to people more experienced than me in studying charts.
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JJG has got a lot more experience than me and has good reasoning to his predictions. I hope that he is wrong but I can see that it probably is more realism than my predictions. I can not pretend that I understand all the charts that you guys post but JJG puts those charts into words which helps people like me. I would be silly not to listen a little to people more experienced than me in studying charts.

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What do you define as financially free? What are the basic necessities to life?

House
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Farmers sometimes place luminous tubes next to electric fencing to check if it works, when there's a power pulse the tube lights up.

CB/armature radio antennas will light florescent tubes up when held near them on transmit.

There's an artist that "planted" thousands of florescent tubes into a field near an electricity pylon.



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The tubes are powered by residual emmisions from the pylon, causing them to flicker and light up randomly as darkness falls.

The closer you stand to one the more likely it is to light up.

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"You affect the lights by your proximity to them," explained Richard "Because you are a much better conductor than a glass tube.

"And there's sound as well as light - a crackling that corresponds to the flashing of the lights. There's a certain smell too, and your hair stands slightly on end."

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I was with you all the way Zedpastin, until you got to the last sentence.. Holy fucking shit.

Of course, there is no problem with being conservative and keeping your expectations relatively low (or not too high), but $250k in 10 years is a stretch, but possible..   In 10 years, $20million is a stretch, but possible.. $250k is pretty damned conservative.. but surely possible as well.

On a personal level, I do not want to be too presumptuous, so I have no problem at all to plan around something like 6% per year average price appreciation of my BTC investment portfolio.. which would end up with way smaller numbers than $250k in 10 years, but even if I am personally using very conservative numbers to protect my lil selfie.. we should also attempt to be reasonable in terms of the various upside potentials of this particular asset class that may or may not play out, but there are a lot of scenarios that go way above and beyond a conservative 6% per year expectation.. especially when considering ways to plan around bitcoin and maybe even stocking a bit more or something and not locking yourself into conservative thinking - but that would not necessarily mean taking undue risks either.. One of the nice things about bitcoin both historically and even considering current planning is that you do not necessarily need to invest a lot in order to still be prepared for the scenarios of higher BTC performance that may or may not happen (and still get richie way beyond expectations.. already happened to lots of relatively conservative peeps.. no need to mention names, right?).
I am probably being too optimistic but I would rather be too optimistic than pessimistic because there is already enough pessimists here Cheesy Cheesy I joke and maybe my numbers are plucked out of the air and do not have any scientific backing but I can dream. 6% increase per year you say? I can back that I think that gives us more time to get to that financially freedom money as not all of us have the amount of Bitcoin that we need or require for that including me. I have a healthy stock but not enough to have fuck you money that I know is discussed a lot here.

Btw what do you guys define as fuck you money instead of financially free? Out of curiosity Cheesy

Both are somewhat vague terms, so probably there would not be much if any difference between them, and personally, I was using the terms synonymously, but it seems to me that "fuck you" is a bit more in your face.. even though I doubt that it would necessarily have much if any difference from financial freedom.

Of course, it is possible to get an on average of 6% per year on your bitcoin investment, but I really have my doubts that performance is going to be that low unless you are really screwing a lot of things up along the way.. and sure, don't put it past normies to screw things up.

My first few years into bitcoin between late 2013 and even late 2016, I spent a lot of time in the negative in terms of BTC price performance, but now, after about 7.5 years, I have something like a 65% per year average returns..

So with that kind of a level of return, if a guy had happened to start with investing $2k into BTC in early 2014, he would have had around $136k in around this time in 2021 without investing any more into it .. 7.5 years later.

Of course, we cannot necessarily expect ongoingly to be able to get 65% per year returns, and we also should not be expecting the BTC price to ONLY appreciate 6% per year, either..  We do not know, but we have some ideas that front loading the investment is likely to be good.. but you still need a relatively long investment time horizon to have some level of confidence that the returns will be decently well.

just point out this line Can you tell me {$300k to $600k} going to be sure and very fast?
There is no "sure" in Bitcoin. And that's for sure Smiley
Let a man dream Cheesy

I doubt that it is healthy to assign too high of probability to things that have not yet happened unless you were to have complete control over if and when such a thing were to happen.. which is surely not the case with bitcoin price getting to $300k to $600k.

I have been looking at articles which are saying how much you should save up before you can retire but there is one big problem with their calculations they are relying on receiving money through interest earned on their bank deposits and they mention investments into stocks but that is assuming that you always earn on them. Bank interest depending on the amount you earn might not be enough to keep up with the cost of living and would only soften the blow. That is assuming that in 20 years time that banks still exist like they do today I am hoping and this is me being optimistic again I am hoping that people decide to manage their own money with Bitcoin or with fiat.

https://www.aarp.org/retirement/planning-for-retirement/info-2020/how-much-money-do-you-need-to-retire.html

This article says there are 4 factors to think about before you retire. 1. Expenses 2. How much you earn on your savings 3. How long you will live 4. How much you can withdraw from your savings per year. If you keep a lot of your money in Bitcoin or all of it instead of a fiat bank then you lose that benefit of interests and the only way you earn interest is if Bitcoin goes up in price over time. I will say that Bitcoin is going to earn you more money than any interest would though.

Yeah.,. fuck those bullshit expectations that you have to earn interest.

Bitcoin is designed to pump forever, so don't be getting distracted into nonsense products or leaving your bitcoin with other people in order to strategize that you are going to "beat the system" and end up getting fucked.

Now if you accumulate 2.1 BTC, and you want to fuck around with 10% of your BTC (such as 0.21 BTC, then sure, you are not risking your whole stash, even though as you already suggested, such attempts at earning interest are likely NOT necessary and are likely NOT going to be as much as your bitcoin is likely to appreciate in value.. especially if you are potentially looking (planning) 10 years to 20 years (or even more) into the future.

So for example, you could build and appreciate your bitcoin for 10 to 20 years, and perhaps start to draw from it at 4% to 12% per year, so long as the value appreciates on average at least at that rate.. sometimes you do not want to engage in aggressive withdrawal or to rely upon aggressive withdrawal unless you already have some extra cushion or you have some really solid ways of analyzing your bitcoin value and how much to value it which may well affect how much you believe that you can draw from it while maintaining its value.


JJG has got a lot more experience than me and has good reasoning to his predictions. I hope that he is wrong but I can see that it probably is more realism than my predictions. I can not pretend that I understand all the charts that you guys post but JJG puts those charts into words which helps people like me. I would be silly not to listen a little to people more experienced than me in studying charts.

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Exactamente!!!!!

That's what I be trying to be talkening about.

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Only text missing but will be added later  Cool

Also after a 7hour session, the pain gets unbearable

First 3-4 hours no problem all after that F***

But I’m very satisfied of the result
Will look better in a few days, now it’s very very dark ofcourse (still fresh)

This is called Dedication!

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That's part of the rationale why this here "dude's" preference would be the henna tattoo, and I would imagine that they hurt less worser, too (not that I am speaking from experience beyond speculative observations).

Just don't do black henna.
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(BLAH BLAH BLAH)
Why is it every time I fill an order we immediately get an additional 10% drop? I'm beginning to think I'm a negative influence on the market. 🤔

Possibly your orders are too narrowly spread apart if you are trying to buy on dip..

And, sure if your are in a BTC accumulating stage then there is another DCA portion of any reasonable and prudent strategy that should just buy BTC whenever .. and not get too preoccupied if you had happened to buy $200 at $45,500 or buy $200 at $44,800.. ..

In the whole scheme of things the exact place where you bought should not make much if any difference if you have another $200 coming into your discretionary (to be used for BTC) cashflow in the coming week or so.

By the way, I am not sure about from where you are calculating any kind of 10% dippening in our current actual BTC price dynamics.  Even if you had bought BTC near our local top of $48,190 from about 3 days ago, our so far max dippening from today has only gotten down to $44,521 which is around a 7.5% dip from the toppening to the bottomening..  

The so far BTC price dynamics (including our current dip status) is NOT even really much of any kind of down volatility to write home to mom about, yet.  right?  

Now if you are talking about the future and wanting to predict that we might get down to a 10% or greater BTC price dippening, then that could well be another story.. but that is not how I read your proclamation of having already had a 10% BTC price dip  (which 10% dips may well have not even happened yet since we started going up from $29k-ish in the past nearly a month since starting this particular UPpity run, no?.. edit: Whoops, I correct myself.. we had about a 12% dip from $42,500 to $37,200 between 7/31 and 8/4.. but that is our only decently-sized dip, so far in our current price run up)

Contemplated throwing in an edit right after posting.

May have been a good idea.

Generally it is not good to post with too much emotions especially when some of us are attempting to post about substantive issues.

I was posting based on Feelings with no fucks given about the actual Maths of the situation. wxa7115 actually called it very close to reality. I had come across some unexpected funds and set it into my dippening orders. Figured $45.5k was likely as low as I could reliably expect to fill, and when posting that exaggerated expression of my girlie emotional moment we were wicking down to $44.5k (Obviously not 10%, but damnit! I could had bigger crumbs!)

That is ONLY like 2-3% difference between $44,500 and $45,500, so it seems fairly petty to get worked up about such a thing.  Of course, you could end up setting smaller amounts at varying increments too... there are a lot of ways to do it, but when you practice, you should become more and more comfortable with your own tolerances.. and sure, it may well make a bigger difference if you are stacking between 0.21 BTC and getting up to 2.1BTC as compared to if your stack reaches more than 10BTC, then you might not be as concerned.. so of course, the values are going to change over time, so if you are stacking at $45,500 you may be able to stack 0.02197802 BTC with $1,000, and sure you could have stacked 0.02247191 with prices at $44,500, but then down the road when BTC prices are supra $100k, you might have $2k that you can use for stacking, but you end up getting only 0.02BTC with the double the fiat amount in your pocket.   

It still seems to me that you just do what you can, and don't get too worked up about price differences because over time the amount stacked will add up and you are sill likely going to be ahead of so many normies who both fail/refuse to even get started in Bitcoin.. and by the time they get started, you will already have stacked up a decent quantity.. (not that you should be competing against anyone but yourself, and maybe not even healthy to compete against yourself or to kick yourself for attempting to be practical along the way in terms of ongoing stacking.

I know the feelings about being a wee bit more desperate in my own feelings while I was in my earliest few years of stacking sats, but I kind of mellowed out with the passage of time and realizing that I had stacked a reasonable and meaningful amount in terms of my own situation, but it surely did take me 2-3 years to get there and I was more nervous earlier in the stacking career.. and there are going to be guys/gals/institutions/states coming into this matter 4-10 years down the road, and you will have already gotten to a decent level of comfort, and the difference between buying at $44,500 and $45,500 is not going to matter so much in the whole scheme of things when those peeps/institutions are going to be stacking and the price might be over a $million or even well over $10million further down the road... in other words do what you can.. do what you can..

Oh and I have already told this story before, and I kind of hate to brag, but in 2015 I had some kind of screwed up and tightened cashflow where I could not buy shit for bitcoin between about mid-January and about April or so.. and the BTC price was in the mid to lower $200s for much of that time.  So sometimes I would have something like $20 extra come to me, and I would put half in my cash reserves and the other half into bitcoin So, $10 would still be 0.05 BTC, and so maybe I did that several weeks and then sometimes I would have a few hundred come in, so I would get $150 or so worth of bitcoin, so it might be 0.75BTC or something like that, so it would add up and even had some periods, where I could not really spare anything extra, but then suddenly some cashflow matter would resolve, and then i would have cash for a few weeks from clearing up the matter.. so by July or August 2015, my cash was clearing up a bit more, and even over that whole year, I had seen that my cashflow had really sucked the whole time, but I still ended up having something like 12% more bitcoin at the end of 2015 as compared to what I had at the beginning of 2015.. so overall it was a good year even though my cashflow sucked through such a large portion of 2015.

No, in reality I am much further ahead right now of anything I had anticipated 2 months ago.

I think that is how my earliest days in bitcoin went too.. Several times, I set BTC accumulation targets, and matters worked themselves out in such a way that the ongoing and regular seriousness and focus of BTC accumulating payed off.

But on a rainy day filled with red candles, negativity bias can amplify into exaggerated downity.

Perhaps.  I would not call a 8% drop to be that BIG of a deal unless we had already dropped 25% and then get another 8% drop to 33%.. or even when we dropped 48% and then another 8% drop down to 56%, then those kinds of numbers can be a wee bit depressing.

But hey, everyone has their depression points, even if it may seem to me that some thicker skin and fewer emotions would be preferred, especially since there will sometimes be quite considerable periods in which the BTC price does not move in the direction that you would rather have it move, and the longer that you are in, likely the more BTC you have stashed in order to create a kind of natural preference for UPpity.. but still might not complain if you have 10BTC, and you are able to pick up another .5BTC because the price dropped 50%.. but sure, you would have rather NOT have the BTC price drop.

Thanks for reminding me of my Maths & Sciences J1G, but I only had one merit to give and I thought wxa7115 made the more meritable observation. Maybe I'll remember to get you an extra one later...

Of course, it is not any kind of BIG deal to me, and just having some back and forth interaction can be helpful to both of us and perhaps some other members too..

Tired of Red, now where did I put that Green?

-Cope

flip a coin... that might equally be as effective in figuring it out....  Wink
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August 18, 2021, 01:36:02 AM

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I enjoyed listening to the latest episode of "What Bitcoin Did" - Peter McCormack talks with PlanB about his S2F model, it's the first time I've listened to him talk about it in person (and not just via tweets).

I listened to the podcast but it can be found here too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoFwkxoss6Y

It's worth a watch/listen, not just for the S2F stuff, but also their thoughts on the impending global financial crisis #2 and how a financial crash is unlikely, with it being more likely to be a financial reset. There's little to be gained by me paraphrasing their discussion, so I'd recommend listening to it directly. Lots of food for thought.

Yes... Thanks. I subscribe to What Bitcoin Did, so I had already listened to that a few days ago when it went into that feed.. I have heard several interviews with PlanB over the years, and even if it sounds that I am dissing him, I appreciate a lot of his ideas and his work.. and otherwise stand by my earlier reaction/comments... not even trying to say that I am smarter than him in order to still suggest that his tweet was retarded for the reasons already stated... maybe smart guys need to be held to a higher standards in terms of not sending out retarded tweets.. hahahahaha

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https://twitter.com/100trillionusd/status/1427707790810914827?s=21
Let me understand is he predicting that we will go to 100k then 288k in 1 cycle or 2? Both sound like bullshit I am not sure how he came to those numbers so soon but I guess it is trying to gain fame and more followers instead of delivering accurate or reasonable predictions.

Your account is a 2016 registration. You should know that honeybadger is more than capable of minimum x 2 in price on a very short timescale.

Do you not remember Q3 & Q4 of 2017?

$100,000 is quite likely this year imo.

If I am getting you correctly LFC, Q3-4 2017 could have been measured at something around 8x of BTC price appreciation .. there were some ups and downs in there.. but even a quick bottom to top might have been measured in less than a quarter between about mid-September to mid-December of maybe 6.5x (from $3k to $19,666).. .. not exactly both quarters.. but in the time span of both quarters the 8x would have been from late July of around sub-$2,500 to $19,666.. so yeah.. 8x in that time frame.. so even better than 2x.. .. hahahaha

Remember we also got more than 3.3 x between April 2019 to June 2019.. there are other examples of course for our lillie fiend to show a certain kind of ongoing prowess potential.
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Excellent lightning explanation.

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