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Made me laugh, but also there are always gonna be haters …. People who are emotionally involved etc

Don’t mind them…

I still like PlanB  Cheesy

I can appreciate that planB's stock to flow model could see the BTC drop quite a ways and still be valid, including dropping at or below the 200-week moving average, which is currently $19,129.

I would question any drops that are sustainably below the 200-week moving average for more than a couple of weeks in terms of whether some kind of tweak to the model might be different.  

Geez, dropping $40k from here would put BTC prices in the $1k to $3k range, and surely there would be considerable issues and concerns with bitcoin and even such stock to flow model if such a drop were to occur.. fuck.. even dropping below $15k for any kind of meaningful time (a few days) would really cause some of us (including yours truly) concerns about something like the stock to flow model.. so surely, after such a fall, if it were to occur, the model might still be valid upon inputting some serious tweaks.

Don't get me wrong.  Even though I am talking about some of these low BTC price arenas per the prompt of the Crypto_Ed_NL tweet (which I think he is a bit off his rocker in the exaggeration of wrong), I still believe that we are in a bull market and would have difficulties going below the 104-week moving average (which is at about $31k) for any meaningful time of more than a couple of weeks - kind of a quite bearish case scenario of how much froth purgening needs to be done (probably more from shitcoins and various related projects rather than from bitcoin itself.. but whereever there is froth, there can be incentives for purging and shaking of the weak hands)..

Yep, the price movement is boring AF in the last 2 months. To stay 30K below the ATH is quite annoying. This is something the new generation of hodlers is hard to get used to. Most, if not all new commers who bought in the 40-69K range have sold on a loss, according to the on-chain analysis by glassnode. Before glassnode was a thing, we only wondered if the hodlers sell that low or there actually exist individuals that sold on a loss. Now it is almost "proven" that many sell on a loss, although it is not competely certain that the movement of bitcoins always means a trade. It is however the only indicator that gives good enough approximation. For the n00bs 2 months of bear market is the end of Bitcoin. They lack the experience and hardened character to hodl through this period. It seems that the first lesson in 2021 from 65K to 30K wasn't learned and the same mistake was made later from 69K to 40K. So, with all short term "hodlers" being completely eliminated and all actual hodlers refusing to sell, this bear run should terminate soon.

On a personal level, I must admit that I didn't do well in the last year. As a relatively new hodler with average buying price 2.5K per coin (thanks to the gpu mining mostly), I was tempted to sell 60% of my stash for average price of 28K for a beach villa, job retirement and mining equipment. However the covid restrictions and other RL accidents prevented me from realising any of these goals. I could not afford to risk and sell more at 60K, so I've missed both tops, unfortunately. So, I've decided to rebuy back the last sold coins on the same price, making the sold part 39% of my stash. The remaining fiat is equivalent to my salary until I retire after 15+ years, so I could spend some of it if the price falls to my average sold level to rebuy more coins back. All this is hard to plan and fulfil, because of emotions, RL issues, etc... Hopefully, I'll manage to handle it well and not sell too much, not to mention sell most of it. God forbid! I don't want to give the false impression that I have tons of coins. Let's say just that I have no theoretical chance of becoming a fish if I DCA until I retire. This makes me very sad, but I'm comforting myself that I have enough to cover my basic needs.  It's just that in my country the expenses and real estate is much cheaper than the rest of the world, at least for now. Another indicator is that my virtual net worth puts me in the list of 900 richest peeps in my country, according to bank deposit stats. Not bad, considering that before Bitcoin, I had no plans of investments and relied only on my salary. The problem is that the medical care is completely missing, which makes me think of moving to another country. Any suggestions - with a good infrastructure, warm climate, food delivery, internet, etc.? Spain, Greece, France, Antigua...?

Gotta question your judgement when you had been considering that selling 60% of your stash would have even had been a good idea while BTC prices were moving through (above and beyond) it's 2017 ATH and through another zone.

Yeah, of course, we never really know what is going to happen, but just seems like playing with too much stash and trying to transition into fuck you status before you are even close enough to being there.. and part of that is to be transitioning into either holding the vast majority of your acquired wealth in fiat or property - if you had succeeded in accomplishing your goal of cashing out 60% of your stash at $28k.

Of course, each of us has to decide how to manage our wealth based on our own circumstances, but you seem to be no stranger to bitcoin's upside potential, so it boggles my mind why you so frequently seem to have such a high time preference in your own ways to plan your BTC management.... and yeah, maybe it just comes down to wanting to lock in a fuck you status and your belief that maintaining 40% of your BTC stash would be sufficient enough.. which sure, might end up playing out to your favor.. but surely seems to show a lack of conviction of HODLing larger amounts of value in BTC and just cashing out of BTC in smaller amounts at later dates.. lack of confidence in BTC no?  

To me, it sounds like you should be attempting to accomplish something closer to what AlcoHoDL seems to be striving for, which seems to be largely attempting to wait out whatever happens to be the BTC process whether this cycle (seeming a stretch) or perhaps another cycle (which seems quite likely) and to thereafter have some pretty decent odds that after another cycle (if it takes that long) there would be decent stability of BTC prices in the supra 6 digits... and yeah of course, nothing is guaranteed.. which likely causes several of us HODLers anxiety in terms of wanting to make sure that we lock in some of our profits.. which was something that LFC did, but surely with only 25% of his stash.. which surely seems more reasonable that cashing out 60%, even if we might concede that LFC likely had more BTC to work with, but he has been in BTC longer than you too.. and sure sometimes it is a combination of amount of BTC and letting some of the time play out.. even if it might take an additional cycle...

should I get out of lecturing mode?  Yeah, I know you are weighing these matters for yourself and your own circumstances, but still even you appreciate that the contemplation of selling 60% of your stash seems a wee bit short-sighted and maybe even too much of a high time preference..
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EU regulator calls for a ban on proof of work Bitcoin mining to save renewable energy.

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The European Union should ban the energy-intensive system used to mine Bitcoin, one of the bloc's leading financial regulators has said.

In an interview with the Financial Times, vice-chair of the European Securities and Markets Authority (ESMA) Erik Thedéen called for a bloc-wide ban on "proof of work" crypto mining, saying the industry's energy usage was becoming a "national issue" in his native Sweden.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/01/19/eu-regulator-calls-for-a-ban-on-proof-of-work-bitcoin-mining-to-save-renewable-energy

Sweden is such a shithole.

If someone wants to set up a solar, wind, or hydroelectric generator on his private property and mine Bitcoin, its none of any government's business.

Dumb 1st world governments aren't interested in innovation and integration. They just ban this, ban that, ban ban ban.  Angry
Simple minds trying to keep complex systems running. They don't even contribute as much as they think, because the actual work is done by different people.
Events like the pandemic are really revealing on the dumbness and incompetence of politics. Look at that english Barney Rubble dude, ruining the whole country with total confidence. This is a freedom of speech forum, right? Well, i wouldn't shed a tear when i'd see certain people hanging from trees...

rant over.

EDIT: stupid space rock. Now i finally got it, too, Bob.
On to more enjoyable things now...
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January 19, 2022, 08:44:41 PM

EU regulator calls for a ban on proof of work Bitcoin mining to save renewable energy.

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The European Union should ban the energy-intensive system used to mine Bitcoin, one of the bloc's leading financial regulators has said.

In an interview with the Financial Times, vice-chair of the European Securities and Markets Authority (ESMA) Erik Thedéen called for a bloc-wide ban on "proof of work" crypto mining, saying the industry's energy usage was becoming a "national issue" in his native Sweden.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/01/19/eu-regulator-calls-for-a-ban-on-proof-of-work-bitcoin-mining-to-save-renewable-energy

Sweden is such a shithole.

If someone wants to set up a solar, wind, or hydroelectric generator on his private property and mine Bitcoin, its none of any government's business.

Frankly in my opinion if someone wants to burn coal to do it the government should stay out, though I personally think renewable energy is where it's at...
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January 19, 2022, 08:45:47 PM
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...no theoretical chance of becoming a fish...

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Can someone point me to the HoDLers' Marine Scale? Just to see where I stand. Thx.

I started as a small octopus in 2017, grew to medium by 2020, and shrank again to small in 2021.



Thanks for that.

IMHO, most shrimps and ALL of the other species below dolphins will be "fuck-you" rich in 5-10 years from now (dolphins and above are already there now).

Of course, it all depends on what "fuck-you" rich means to each one of us -- I've given a conservative prediction. It could be sooner... Perhaps, perhaps...  Cheesy

In recent times, it has been coming more obvious that there is something considerably wrong with that marine animals scale - and even with the creation of any impression that more than 1 BTC is necessary for the reaching of considerable fuck you status... especially when any newbies might start out with at least a 4-10 year time horizon.. but getting to fuck you status had traditionally taken 30 years or more, and even then in those traditional wealth building circles many people have had difficulties reaching fuck you status...and maybe even in the last couple of years we have seen that the wealth accumulation abilities seem to be so stacked against normies who might be trying to accomplish the reaching of entry-level fuck you status through traditional (non-BTC) circles.

As can be seen from my projection of the reaching of entry-level fuck you status based on a trajectory of the 208-week moving average, concededly, currently, entry-level fuck you status is getting close to transitioning from 3 digits to 2 digits, but even in 4 to 5 years it seems that such fuck you status may well be transitioning to 1 digits..and less than 1 BTC if we are projecting out 10 years from now. 

Yeah, some guys who have been in bitcoin for several years maybe even getting well into 2 cycles of being in bitcoin may well be getting anxious about making sure that they are getting into fuck you status at some point in the near and foreseeable future.... and it really does seem that we are continuing to head up when looking at the lagging indicators (such as the 208-week moving average), even though sometimes we might feel as if BTC's spot price is not moving up as rapidly as we wished that it would... patience.. patience.. patience... frequently there is way more progress than appears on the surface... ...

Even looking back a few years ago, in 2017 it took more than 1,000 bitcoin to feel comfortably in fuck-you status.. so just seems that so much progress has been made.. even though I do appreciate that likely I am going to need to cause my backwards and forwards projection of the 208-week moving average to be more of a curved line rather than a straight line.... because surely a straight-line trajectory does not seem sustainable..even if it is currently projected out in the 75% per year arena....
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...no theoretical chance of becoming a fish...

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Can someone point me to the HoDLers' Marine Scale? Just to see where I stand. Thx.

I started as a small octopus in 2017, grew to medium by 2020, and shrank again to small in 2021.



Then imho you did oversold……

If from little to big octopus…. Then back to little….

Not bad or anything, I just would have sold a smaller %

Even though for sure, I tend to agree with your overall conclusion, dude, that ivomm likely had oversold.. but there could be some manners in which he is classifying his bitcoin holdings that cause him to conclude that some of his increases in BTC holdings that are through debt should be counted as his own even though they were part of a debt that had to be repaid within a certain timeline, in the event that the debt could not be rolled over in sufficiently favorable and acceptable terms. 

Accordingly, these are not easy questions in regards to wealth management, and trying to continue to build your status or your number of coins.  Even if you use debt, you may want to be attempting to continue to build the number of your coins.. but I can appreciate that the number of coins might well go down with the appreciation of BTC prices, so for example when we went from more or less of a base in the $10k arena, then surely there would be a certain amount of justification to shave off some profits on the way up.. but then hopefully to reaccumulate in the event that the overall quantity of wealth is not coming close to fuck you status or having a timeline target for fuck you status that would be acceptable within personal time target terms.

Sometimes though, the timeline seems to be too rushed.

Another thing that I could appreciate is that if a guy has been in BTC for a while and has established a somewhat reasonable entry-level fuck you status goal, but then there is so much difficulties dealing with having too many eggs that are ONLY in the BTC basket, so the non-BTC wealth is very low.. so there remains some need to get some diversification out of BTC .. and it is likely not ONLY a psychological thing, but a practical financial consideration to have too much wealth that is ONLY in BTC - even after some price run ups that go 5x or more.  So, even if the guy is considering that it could take another 4 years to get to entry-level fuck you status, he is way too uncomfortable having so much of his whole wealth portfolio value that is ONLY in BTC.

The idea of going from small octupus to big octupus and then back to little does seem to be taking the matter way too far in terms of playing around (gambling) with a portfolio, unless there is some plausible explanation for it..... and for sure, just getting stuck in the middle of octupus status would seem like a good place to be in the coming years.. 2-3 years seems to be very likely to be into entry-level fuck you status... and just to maintain something like that as a kind of targeted minimum would seem to be a sufficient status.. if having had been at higher level octupus status at some earlier date.

Are we second guessing other guys too much?  That's what we (maybe royal?) do here.  hahahahaha
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Sick as a dog, my turn maybe.

Stay hydrated. Regardless of which bug is causing it.
Get well soon!
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Sick as a dog, my turn maybe.

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Sick as a dog, my turn maybe.

Hang in there... Looks like all of us will go through this shit, no matter what we do. As OOM said, make sure you're hydrated, and also regularly check oxygen levels with an oximeter -- they are dirt cheap and quite accurate.

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Pure marketing stunt.

Wallet is useless.. Even not denominated in BTC, only altcoin (Tether ERC 20).

It's sad to see we (argentinians) are used for this. He pretends to be a saviour and Strike wallet adds nothing to our comunity. There are better wallets and services already in Argentina. (Muun wallet, or even local services and exchanges like Bitso or Lemon)

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Hueristic: I hope the best for you. Get well soon.
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 Hope you get better quickly!

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Gotta question your judgement when you had been considering that selling 60% of your stash would have even had been a good idea while BTC prices were moving through (above and beyond) it's 2017 ATH and through another zone.
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Yes, I made a mistake, because I saw the possibility to buy mining equipment that would bring me 3x more coins in the next 2 years than with my current equipment. I owe >80% of my stash to the mining anyway, so such risks are part of my job.  I started buying the gpu's and literally on the next day all shipments from UK stopped. The price of the gpus increased 3x while I was searching for other options. Meanwhile I changed my mind about a villa that I liked and so I decided to rebuy back at least the last sold coins when the price fell to 30K. So I improved my ratio from 60% to 38% sold bitcoins. Hopefully with my current old equipment I will recover another 10% this year. I had to spend about other important stuff. Later that year 2021, I nearly lost my father and got myself very ill because of the stress. All this cost more money and nerves. I can't get proper medical treatment here, so I consider moving to another country. And if things continue to be so bad for me, well, I will expand my donations to various children related charities. But let's think positive and hope for something good to happen. Bitcoin is hope after all.
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 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Lagarde admits that she flushed everybody's savings down the toilet.  They'll never be able to retire.
You're chained to them jobs now, bitches.  You're going to have to die in harness.

We don't even do that to horses.
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