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May 20, 2022, 08:11:59 PM
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New predictions from Masterluc PlanB...


"The good news: bear market is almost over."

https://twitter.com/100trillionUSD/status/1527659621179072517?cxt=HHwWioCxoZyVq7MqAAAA


I think PlanB has showed some very interesting and often accurate analysis.  I do agree that his rise to mythical predictor status was, like MasterLuc WAAAAAY overblown.  But so is the way everyone now treats him like he is some giant failure has been.

I remember the first interview I heard him on he said, something like "This model is amazing and super accurate over the last xyz period, but all models are only accurate until they break."  And I think he often said that over time.

I would also point out that his model has not broken yet.  We really need more of this cycles time behind us to really make that conclusion.  It seems HIGHLY likely that it will have failed during this cycle... but there are paths forward where it still retains it's accuracy.  They just become less and less likely the further we go.

AND to add some nuance I have always thought his model was quite 1 dimensional, and more about backfilling accuracy than something reliable for the future.  All the acolytes are the ones responsible for the worship of this model.  I always thought it was a kind of silly thing.

Now his 100k by December proclamation.  There he was 100% wrong.  And that was a hubristic mess, that prediction.  I wanted it to be true, as we all did, but that is just silly.  Some of the other silly predictions were even worse.  I still remember Matt Odell getting super drunk and ceiling "Bitcoin T.I.N.A." a bear.  But Tina said he did not think BTC was going to go way up, but that it would probably pull back and go up to 6 digits later.  His prediction in that regard has been right so far.  (Odell irritates me with his "stay humble" bit. His definition of humble is not risking money on alts.  My definition is speaking to others with respect in part, which he never really does)

I honestly think that the right combination of fundamental evens like the ES conference, and an eventual decoupling of BTC from Nasdaq will drive the next bull.  The question is WHEN does it go...  PlanB is a stupid bull like me, and his prediction that "the bear market is almost over" is fairly bold.  And if it IS true he *could* also still get the last laugh for the s2f model...

Probably not... but I hope he's right Wink


Bottom sure, but with the exception of 1 of those "bottoms" they all go sideways for several months before heading into a bull cycle. The idea that because the price levels out that it is suddenly the end of the bear market is ridiculous.

I'm not versed in trading lingo, but generally a bear market is defined by falling prices, no?
So when the bottom is in, you could argue that it's the end of a bear market.

Problem is how to know, if the bottom is really in...


Sometimes it really does not matter. In Jan 2015 the bottom was at $178 or so, but you could have bought it about 7 mo later at $210 with the bull truly starting around late September 2015. That was an almost perfect setup for DCAing for about 8 mo.
BTW, huge reversal in SP500 (from EXACTLY -20%), Dow, etc today. Maybe the bounce would start sooner than later.
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New predictions from Masterluc PlanB...


"The good news: bear market is almost over."

https://twitter.com/100trillionUSD/status/1527659621179072517?cxt=HHwWioCxoZyVq7MqAAAA


I think PlanB has showed some very interesting and often accurate analysis.  I do agree that his rise to mythical predictor status was, like MasterLuc WAAAAAY overblown.  But so is the way everyone now treats him like he is some giant failure has been.

I remember the first interview I heard him on he said, something like "This model is amazing and super accurate over the last xyz period, but all models are only accurate until they break."  And I think he often said that over time.

I would also point out that his model has not broken yet.  We really need more of this cycles time behind us to really make that conclusion.  It seems HIGHLY likely that it will have failed during this cycle... but there are paths forward where it still retains it's accuracy.  They just become less and less likely the further we go.

AND to add some nuance I have always thought his model was quite 1 dimensional, and more about backfilling accuracy than something reliable for the future.  All the acolytes are the ones responsible for the worship of this model.  I always thought it was a kind of silly thing.

Now his 100k by December proclamation.  There he was 100% wrong.  And that was a hubristic mess, that prediction.  I wanted it to be true, as we all did, but that is just silly.  Some of the other silly predictions were even worse.  I still remember Matt Odell getting super drunk and ceiling "Bitcoin T.I.N.A." a bear.  But Tina said he did not think BTC was going to go way up, but that it would probably pull back and go up to 6 digits later.  His prediction in that regard has been right so far.  (Odell irritates me with his "stay humble" bit. His definition of humble is not risking money on alts.  My definition is speaking to others with respect in part, which he never really does)

I honestly think that the right combination of fundamental evens like the ES conference, and an eventual decoupling of BTC from Nasdaq will drive the next bull.  The question is WHEN does it go...  PlanB is a stupid bull like me, and his prediction that "the bear market is almost over" is fairly bold.  And if it IS true he *could* also still get the last laugh for the s2f model...

Probably not... but I hope he's right Wink


Bottom sure, but with the exception of 1 of those "bottoms" they all go sideways for several months before heading into a bull cycle. The idea that because the price levels out that it is suddenly the end of the bear market is ridiculous.

I'm not versed in trading lingo, but generally a bear market is defined by falling prices, no?
So when the bottom is in, you could argue that it's the end of a bear market.

Problem is how to know, if the bottom is really in...


The question is why do you need to know if the bottom is in? If you want to buy - buy. Missing the bottom by a couple of grand is not a big deal. Zoom out for a bigger picture. If you want to sell - hodl. Simple as that.  Cool
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May 20, 2022, 08:24:47 PM

The question is why do you need to know if the bottom is in?

To either prepare for more pain or only for some boring months.

But yeah, nobody is able to answer the question definitively, so it's just a guessing game anyways.
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Problem is how to know, if the bottom is really in...

meh

i have buys sprinkled every 2K or so down to (currently) 24k or so. i never try to catch the bottom exactly i just slurp sats here and there on the downslide until the price moves up decently (say 4 or 5k maybe) then i figure that was the local bottom for that period and buy with whatever dry powder i have left for this period. reset every few months or as cashflow allows.

its not based in any ta or anything its just my lazy ass way of doing it. sometimes works sometimes not lol
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OT: The next "plandemic" is likely underway. Complete with social distancing, lockdowns, and masks...again.

I'll just leave this here, check out page 10-12:

https://www.nti.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/NTI_Paper_BIO-TTX_Final.pdf

Also, all of this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=monkeypox+2022&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjYo_3Xqu73AhUIk2oFHdEZCLoQ_AUoAXoECAIQAw&biw=1707&bih=847&dpr=1.5

 Well there it is in black and white.  They called the virus by name...



...and within a week of the actual date!




I'm going to look ahead in the document to find out when the market crash is going to happen so I can be ahead of the curve this time.
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK sake.


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I'm not versed in trading lingo, but generally a bear market is defined by falling prices, no?
So when the bottom is in, you could argue that it's the end of a bear market.

Problem is how to know, if the bottom is really in...

Sometimes it really does not matter. In Jan 2015 the bottom was at $178 or so, but you could have bought it about 7 mo later at $210 with the bull truly starting around late September 2015. That was an almost perfect setup for DCAing for about 8 mo.
BTW, huge reversal in SP500 (from EXACTLY -20%), Dow, etc today. Maybe the bounce would start sooner than later.

Technically, you are correct in your description Biodom, and so those of us going through that 2015 to 2016 market (including 2014 too) may not have realized that we were out of the bear market until even later than September 2015.. Surely, in late October 2015/early November 2015 we had a short spike up to $500, and then largely we ended up getting stuck mostly in the lower $400s for about 7 months until the end of May 2016.. so in that sense, I have frequently asserted that we did not really get confirmation that we were out of the bear market until May/June 2016.. .. and so maybe these kinds of delayed labelings can cause quite a few problems because one thing is getting out of the bear market of 2015 and then confirming that we were in a bull market.. which was also a kind of delayed look at the matter that some people did not realize until later in 2016.. but also were scared into thinking that we might have been thrown out of the bull market in early 2017.. and then mid 2017 there was a lot of fear that the forkening wars were going to cause us to go back into a bear market but instead after August 2017 we got our blow off top, so by the time anyone might have labelled BTC as being in a bull market towards the end of 2017, the whole bull market was coming to a close and surely had a spectacular blow off top in the process.

Problem is how to know, if the bottom is really in...

meh

i have buys sprinkled every 2K or so down to (currently) 24k or so. i never try to catch the bottom exactly i just slurp sats here and there on the downslide until the price moves up decently (say 4 or 5k maybe) then i figure that was the local bottom for that period and buy with whatever dry powder i have left for this period. reset every few months or as cashflow allows.

its not based in any ta or anything its just my lazy ass way of doing it. sometimes works sometimes not lol

It seems to me that many of us who have been in bitcoin long enough strive to attempt to profit from the UPs and DOWNs to the extent feasible.. but we have ended up being sufficiently enough in profits that we try our best NOT to get bogged down into too many details.. even though we might not want to run out of money to buy on the way down, sometimes we may well end up running out of money to buy much if any on the way down, too..

So it seems that those dynamics can be a bit frustrating, but in the whole scheme of things, they end up being first world problems in the sense that we already realize that we have made more money from our ongoing years in bitcoin, including those earlier years when we were more stressed out about the exact level of profitability of our holdings - maybe even lacking in profits for a period of time.. that relatively speaking we may well end up feeling somewhat spoiled by how we got to our position - and not completely luck and not completely skill.. but a certain level of earlier preparations and stick-with-it-ness.

Of course, many of us may have tried to build our emergency funds too.. so that we would not have to draw from our BTC during dips.. but at the same time, we may well likely realize that if were to end up experiencing a big surprise expense that goes beyond expectations, we can  draw from our bitcoins, because we have gotten somewhat beyond the stages of earlier accumulation or maintenance and we have flexibility.

I do understand and appreciate that it could take guys just one cycle to get to such status, but it could take 2 or three cycles, which in part may well depend upon how assertive, aggressive, or just persistent a guy had gotten in his earlier stages of BTC accumulation.. We may realize that super aggressiveness might not have been needed in earlier days, but later down the road, it is seeming that higher levels of aggressiveness in BTC accumulation might be needed.. and for sure, guys are likely going to worry more about whether they have stacked enough sats and their need to attempt to take advantage of BTC price dips when their BTC stash seems to have not quite reached a kind of "care free" appreciation level.

Well there it is in black and white.  They called the virus by name...

They should have called it llamapox

or

donkeybreath pox


rather than monkeypox..

So lame..   and no fun...



Monkeypox..??     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Monkeypox..??     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Discovered in 1958
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Monkeypox..??     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Discovered in 1958

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/world-health-organization-confirms-80-cases-of-monkeypox-with-outbreaks-in-11-countries/ar-AAXxjyH

And so it begins...
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Monkeypox..??     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Discovered in 1958

What a coincidence!!!!    Shocked Shocked Shocked


That may well be the same as when llamapox and/or donkey breath pox was discovered also.


Unless we would want to call it Philipmapox which was discovered one year earlier and would have the unambiguous superior claim, anyhow.


Go figure.

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So, do we get another stupid market drawdown because of fear of a new "pandemic"...  ?

A Covid monkeypop crash...
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You guys... Stop worrying about monkeypox.

Thats not the next catastrophe. I know whats coming next. Here is a hint:


good luck everybody.


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You guys... Stop worrying about monkeypox.

Thats not the next catastrophe. I know whats coming next. Here is a hint:


good luck everybody.

Apparently Mr. Gates hasn't mentioned any emergency exercise against mutant atomic spiders yet. So no worry...
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