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July 12, 2022, 03:27:27 AM

it was 100% rhetorical

Great!   I am glad, somewhat, that you were able to spit it out.


under 20k again

GOX coins coming as well...

Mmh... frankly, I don't expect much from 2022.  Please surprise me, Bitcoin... (to the upside please)

Is there any further news besides your expecting the Gox coins to be negative on the BTC price (which surely is not an obvious deduction)?

The last I saw was potential for them to start to get released in late August/early September at the earliest, and even that is far from certain in terms of the coins actually coming available at those earliest of dates.

By the way, one of the ONLY reasonable logics for the GOX coins to be negative on the BTC price is because a lot of individuals sold their claims, so a decent amount of coins are sitting with third-party purchasers who got those coins for pennies on the dollar.  Even though they got a lot of coins cheap, I am not even sure if the smartest move is to dump the coins, but you never know with some of the financial shysters who seem to like to play around with manipulation rather than appreciating bitcoin's ongiong upside investment thesis.. but for sure, if there is a perception of the BTC price going down, then some of the BIGGER players who get coins won't necessarily be shy to dump a lot of coins (but not even sure if that is what they are going to - especially if the market dumps before they even get access to the coins).

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LOL: Peter Schiff will accept #Bitcoin in the sale of his bank, if regulators will let him sell it. 😂
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desperate times call for desperate measures.  No?

And you still didn't tell me what you are drinking. I'm on my third Stella Artois myself...very tasty lager...

Don't drink that.


This is financial advice.



Furthermore, Stella Artois is surely a fart provoking liquid, which is only going to cause you to become more giddy - and ain't nobody got time for dat.
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It seems like yesterday I was looking at this chart when the price was at $46k and I was waiting for Bitcoin to reach $21.6k so that I can ape in.
I posted this on 4th April however my original idea of BTC to touch 200 WMA is from January 26th.

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under 20k again

GOX coins coming as well...

Mmh... frankly, I don't expect much from 2022.  Please surprise me, Bitcoin... (to the upside please)

Is there any further news besides your expecting the Gox coins to be negative on the BTC price (which surely is not an obvious deduction)?

The last I saw was potential for them to start to get released in late August/early September at the earliest, and even that is far from certain in terms of the coins actually coming available at those earliest of dates.

By the way, one of the ONLY reasonable logics for the GOX coins to be negative on the BTC price is because a lot of individuals sold their claims, so a decent amount of coins are sitting with third-party purchasers who got those coins for pennies on the dollar.  Even though they got a lot of coins cheap, I am not even sure if the smartest move is to dump the coins, but you never know with some of the financial shysters who seem to like to play around with manipulation rather than appreciating bitcoin's ongiong upside investment thesis.. but for sure, if there is a perception of the BTC price going down, then some of the BIGGER players who get coins won't necessarily be shy to dump a lot of coins (but not even sure if that is what they are going to - especially if the market dumps before they even get access to the coins).


The gox coins are hanging like the sword of Damocles.

Some will definitely be sold.  It doesn't even matter how many will be sold, but I'm pretty sure there are bear whales waiting to use the story to perform a cascading dump.

I hope I'm totally wrong though and the market does what nobody expects and pumps like crazy.  But even then, 140k additional coins are there to be potentially sold into the next halving pump which might take a bit off the upwards steam.


(Btw.. I think you can choose how you want to receive the repayment (fiat or BTC), so the trustee might even sell some coins to repay fiat claims.)
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~snip

I believe that I have evolved in various good ways in my thinking about this topic over the years.


Thank you so much for such a worthy reply. I do agree with all your points, you have spend time in crypto and these points can only be said be person who has knowledge about crypto.

Regarding keeping bitcoin,  I just have a point that most of us believe that there is no point in HODLing bitcoin ls forever. I know a person who has bought at 8k and he didn't sold them even when bitcoin hit ath of 67k. He says he will sell only now bitcoin hits 100k. Its better to sell bitcoin when you see huge profits since bitcoin can always be bought back at discounted price.
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Ross Ulbricht, the convicted creator of the legendary Silk Road dark web market for drugs, has never gotten much mercy from the US legal system. In 2015, he was sentenced to life in prison without parole. His appeal was denied, as was the pardon he sought from President Trump. But a little over a year ago, it appears Ulbricht finally got a break of a different kind: The nine-figure debt he owed to the US government as part of his sentence will be erased—all thanks to the fortuitous hoarding of a hacker who'd stolen a massive trove of bitcoins from his market.


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July 12, 2022, 05:46:23 AM

For the first time since I started investing in BTC I haven't looked at the price for more than 24h. And what a  surprise: the price has fallen from 22.3K to sub 20K again. Oh, well, watcha gonna do. Continue hodling and DCA-ing of course. It is both funny and sad that only 8 months ago I was planning to quit my job and get a completely new life. However, finding some kind of income and buying a real estate is harder than I thought. So, I decided to move to another better place and start a second job. In the next year I will keep the old job, but later if the travelling is too much for me, I will stick to the new job only. I don't want to give an impression that I am poor and this is kinda mcdonald's situation. The new job will compensate the lack of income from eth mining (farewell pow) and the more the bear market lasts the more BTC I will add to my stash.

It is still weird that the bear market is so prolonged and severe. I'm still wondering if 17.5K is the new 5800 in early 2018 or 3122 in late 2018. Like the tether sell off in 2018 was the main reason for the crash to 3122 and luna's crash to 17.5K, it is possible that another similar story to repeat and bring the prices below 17.5K. But apart from that, I can't see a reason to stay around 20K much longer and not 30K+. So, I will put the odd like this: 55% that 17.5K was the bottom and 45% it was not.
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July 12, 2022, 05:59:47 AM

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, you are usually a gentleman about it, and not super annoying like some others I could mention.

Lookie uie-pooie... !!!!    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes   did not even assert a proper "#nohomo" and playing favorites too, to boot.  Shocked Shocked Shocked

That's reportable.

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Soooooo Bitcoin is great huh ?
 

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Finally you are snapping back to reality... Perhaps?

Holy fucking shit..

maybe you should get some of dee cornz?  in case it catches on.


DCA tends to be a decently good way to get started or even to increase your stash if you feel that you do not have enough (ie as if you had under-allocated in previous times.. like a low coiner, rather than a sufficiently stacked coiner)

Young Adults that recover from Gender Dysphoria and do not commit suicide are much more likely to buy & HODL BTC than their counterparts who did transition and killed themselves.
- It's Science!

Fair enough.

Seems like proudhon has acquired a new disciple...

Congrats to you both.

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It seems like yesterday I was looking at this chart when the price was at $46k and I was waiting for Bitcoin to reach $21.6k so that I can ape in.
I posted this on 4th April however my original idea of BTC to touch 200 WMA is from January 26th.



Huh?

Grandma?  

Is that all that she brought today?  Not a very nice grandma, if I do say so my lil selfie..
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The biggest BTC 🐋 This person has been buying the dip on another level! Having purchased 2,554 Bitcoins since June 14th, talk about Diamond Hands 🙌💎



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talk about Diamond Hands 🙌💎

He literally dumped thousands of BTCs on local tops, that's not considered a diamond hand.

Address: https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/address/1P5ZEDWTKTFGxQjZphgWPQUpe554WKDfHQ
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I believe that I have evolved in various good ways in my thinking about this topic over the years.

Thank you so much for such a worthy reply. I do agree with all your points, you have spend time in crypto and these points can only be said be person who has knowledge about crypto.

From my perspective I have spent nearly 9 years in bitcoin, but I don't consider that to be involved in "crypto" because that is such an amorphous term that I don't even really know what is meant when referring to crypto.. except that maybe it means other crypto currencies that are not bitcoin, so in that regard I do own a few shitcoins, but largely not really touched too much in the past five or more years.. just a bit of entertainment value to look at some of the few ones that I have.

So, anyhow my ideas about portfolio and investment strategies deal with bitcoin, and I have even attempted to outline several of my overarching ideas regarding bitcoin investing in a thread that I created in December 2021..

Regarding keeping bitcoin,  I just have a point that most of us believe that there is no point in HODLing bitcoin ls forever.

For sure I am not proclaiming to hold bitcoin forever, but I still believe that there are a lot of dangers in having a mindset that values your wealth in dollars instead of appreciating the ongoing asymmetric bet that bitcoin remains, including its ongoing explosive upwards potential, and I think I already described some of the dangers of selling way too many bitcoin too soon and then you have few if any bitcoin to sell when it really matters including if bitcoin goes up to hight prices and never returns back down.  We should not be assuming that any coins that we sell can be purchased cheaper, even if the odds might be greater to be able to expect to buy back cheaper if there has been a price run.. but there is still danger in that too.. the price is not guaranteed to correct back down, even if so many supposedly smart people believe that BTC prices "always" return down to earlier prices, and that is not necessarily true... even if we have quite a few extreme correction examples.  There is no guarantee that another extreme correction will happen, even if the BTC price goes shooting up 10x or more from here... or from $60k.

I know a person who has bought at 8k and he didn't sold them even when bitcoin hit ath of 67k. He says he will sell only now bitcoin hits 100k.

There is nothing wrong with that kind of an approach to bitcoin, and it might not even be a good idea to sell BTC between $100k and $300k because it is possible that the BTC price will just go shooting past that price and not come back down.

Of course, each person has to find the right answer and balance for himself/herself... including that if a person might invest into bitcoin on a long time horizon (even for 10-30 years), they might not be looking at BTC price movements in the shorter timeframes, even though the young status of bitcoin likely warrants some kind of regular monitoring.
 
Its better to sell bitcoin when you see huge profits since bitcoin can always be bought back at discounted price.

Just because you may have been able to sell high and buy back does not mean that it is a good idea for you or for others.  Of course, you have the right to do whatever the fuck you want, but I doubt your proclamation that "it is better to sell on large price moves" is necessarily a good idea in all cases... We have seen a lot of examples in history in which BTC HODLers screwed up their finances and their psychology when they sold too much BTC too soon and thinking that they were the smartest in the room when it ended up being that they needed a wee bit more patience, and the buy and HODL strategy has been a pretty solid one through the years, and is likely going to continue to be a decently solid strategy.. even for folks with shorter timeframes of 4-10 years.'

Again for sure each of us has to consider where we are at.. whether accumulation, maintenance or liquidation stages in our investment into BTC, and for folks in accumulation stages frequently selling is neither a good practice nor a good mindset.. but once being in bitcoin for awhile and building up a decently nice BTC stash and perhaps graduating into maintenance or liquidation stages, or even getting at or near fuck you status (a place in which you are able to quit your job and live off of your investments) or even getting to stages of reaching target BTC accumulation levels - including but not limited to possibly being over-invested based on objective and non-emotional considerations, then those might be reasonable times to start to think about incorporating selling into your BTC strategy.. . but selling is not even a practice that needs to be incorporated in order to have a successful BTC investment strategy..

In other words, selling is not a necessary practice in BTC accumulation stages. especially early stages, and it is a bit of a more advance strategy that sometimes (maybe frequently?) ends up causing folks to end up with way fewer BTC than they would have otherwise been able to accumulate with a more straight-forward buy and hold strategy and even a buy strategy that combines DCA, buying on dip and lump sum buying and a variety of other sound practice strategies that are both good for the mind and for the finances overall... including but not limited to considering cashflow, other investments, view of bitcoin as compared with other investments, timeline, risk tolerance, time, skills and abilities to strategize, plan, research and learn along the way including tweaking strategies from time to time to consider trading, reallocating, use of leverage and/or financial instruments.

The first ones on the list are more basic, and the later ones on the list are more advance, so of course, I strive to get the basics before getting into the more advanced techniques. And more advanced does not mean that they need to be done or that they should be done just because you know how to do them..  From my perspective,  it is not a matter of smart but a matter of proportion in terms of if any of the more advanced techniques (which includes selling) are actually employed before getting the basics in order first. Including reverting to basics when market conditions are in a difficult to determine place and if you may well have uncertainties about some of your own circumstances based on such volatile market conditions..

And for sure, it is good to have financial practices that do not unnecessarily provoke emotionalism in terms of your ways of investing or thinking about your investment.. especially such a volatile asset like BTC that is likely going to continue to be quite volatile in the coming 20+ years.
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Finally you are snapping back to reality... Perhaps?

Holy fucking shit..

maybe you should get some of dee cornz?  in case it catches on.


DCA tends to be a decently good way to get started or even to increase your stash if you feel that you do not have enough (ie as if you had under-allocated in previous times.. like a low coiner, rather than a sufficiently stacked coiner)



lols

Did you hit your head or something you goofball ?

Stop projecting ya dweeb.

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