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#Bitcoin     Is Not Risky

This statement to many will seem absurd. Despite Bitcoin being the best performing asset in the history of the world, despite it being the only network in the world to never be hacked, despite it never being down once in the past 10 years, despite its inability to be stopped, most regard #BTC     as very risky. Why? Because they associate volatility with risk. This is a mistake.

Volatility is not risk. "Uncertainty" is risk, and #Bitcoin     is the most certain thing to every be made available to the human race. Just look at this certainty. 👇🏽

- There will never be more than 21 million #BTC    .
- Every 10 minutes, on average, a new block is added to the blockchain (I prefer timechain);
- Every 4 years, or every 210,000 blocks, BTC's issuance rate gets cut in half;
- Every 2,016 blocks, the bitcoin network adjusts its difficulty rate;
- In the year 2140, there will be no more bitcoin to mine.

All of these things are written in code, which is today's equivalent to the proverbial "written in stone."

#Bitcoin     is as certain as maths because it is maths. Bitcoin is certain because it doesn't rely on human involvement and the trust inherent in that approach. These things can't be changed, just as 1 +1 = 2 can't be changed.

This certainty makes #BTC     riskless at best or low risk at worse. But most won't accept this because of the mass conditioning that volatility equals risk. So let's put this to rest, once and for all.

#Bitcoin     operates in 4 year cycles, whereas we as humans have become accustomed to operating on yearly cycles. For #BTC    , its birthday comes every  four years. For us, every one year. These four year periods are called epochs. There are a total of 33 BTC epochs, at which point, BTC becomes fully an adult.  As I've mentioned, this last epoch is realized in the year 2140, 117 years from now.

From BTC birthday to BTC birthday (every four years), Bitcoin has no volatility. Think about this. Think about how profound this is if you get it. From epoch to epoch, there is no volatility. From halving to halving, there is no volatility. From leap year to leap year, there is zero volatility. What does this mean? Well, if volatility is how you measure risk, #Bitcoin       has zero risk if you're willing to give it four years.

The world currently applies this same logic to U.S. Treasuries, which are regarded as the world's safest investment. 10 year and 30 year treasury bonds are the two most popular long-term, riskless investments. Why are they considered riskless? Because the yield and the return of the original capital are guaranteed by the US government at the end of the term. It's not guaranteed in between terms, mind you. A 30-year bond can often wildly fluctuate in a volatile way in between terms, but this volatility is considered moot because of the guarantee at the end of the term (see image 1).

So why is this logic not applied to #Bitcoin       which has a guaranteed term of only 4 years, not 10 or 30, and rewards that shorter holding period with record-breaking gains? I believe this will be recognized and understood more and more.

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Buying #BTC     today is riskless because four years from today, there is no downside volatility, your original capital is cryptographically secured, mathematically guaranteed, and the historical gain is the best the world has ever seen or experienced (image 2).

#Bitcoin    's riskless 4-year bond-like cycle will not remain relatively unrecognized for long. More and more of the world's money will begin to see and act on this. Perhaps they have already begun to see it. Perhaps this is why those unwilling to sell their #BTC     keeps rising to all-time new high levels (image 3).





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Last time I let a wallet choose the fee.


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Broadcasted on 06 Aug 2023 03:19:43 GMT-4
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2 Fucking weeks so far!

I remember a similar thing happening to me years ago. Ended up using that vaiBTC Transaction Accelerator thingie.
and it eventually went though within a few hours, after I had waited  a week.
Half a bitcoin sent to myself, (emptying an old obsolete wallet) so I was shitting myself because I thought I fucked up or something.
Back in the day I never bothered with the fee stuff because the wallet took care of it by default. I just hit send.

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#Bitcoin    We have indeed seen a real black swan event, the #FTX bankruptcy. The history of #BTC    is lined with such events and the market will recover from it as it did in the past.
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What ChatGPT says about 2140 is:
  • Reward for miners will be transaction fees only.
  • Miners need to upgrade there equipment constantly to remain in the business where competition will be much high.

"The article quote an AI source which says Bitcoin price will be from 1 Billion to 10 Billion USD by 2140."

And I just want to live by 2140 to sell my Bitcoins at that price.
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NEW: Elon Musk endorsing pro-#Bitcoin    🇺🇸 US presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, while shadow banning 🇦🇷 Argentina pro-#Bitcoin    presidential candidate Javier Milei 🤔
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NEW: Elon Musk endorsing pro-#Bitcoin    🇺🇸 US presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, while shadow banning 🇦🇷 Argentina pro-#Bitcoin    presidential candidate Javier Milei 🤔
https://twitter.com/BitcoinNewsCom/status/1693079906119270633?t=WqU3ygNzYV9J6RvhbgWrUA&s=19

Take Elon Musk seriously at your own peril. Just focus on accumulating BTC in preparation for the halving that is expected to see BTC hit new ATH. If you keep following Elon Musk, you might enter depression before the bull market start. He is a businessman that is only interested in profit and never loyal to anything.
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Back from vacation to find the corn has crashed a little, but not enough to make me buy more than my DCA amount. Below 20K, I will be tempted (but then there is the issue of the fiat onramp again, annoying).

So it seems that you are mostly employing DCA techniques to accumulate BTC, and not too frequently employing buying on dip practices, and I have found the opposite kind of practice to be the case with myself.

Sure sometimes the techniques can kind of overlap.. because if any of us might have a certain amount of money coming in, then we may well be motivated to buy some BTC with the money once it stacks above a certain level that we may not feel comfortable keeping in fiat.

My first few years in bitcoin, I practiced quite a lot of DCA, but then it seems to me that since about 2017, I have mostly ONLY been buying on dips... and probably one of the few times that I feel that I got back into a bit of DCA would have been recently during our June 2022 to January 2023 period of being quite a bit below the 200-week moving average.. and I did not quite get into full fledged DCA because I was also replenishing my own reserves that were also being dedicated to buying on dips.. so sure if we would have stayed below the 200-week moving average longer during that time, then I may well have found myself more aggressively getting into DCA practices.

You might consider that now that we are below the 200-week moving average again that I might want to start to reconsider DCA again, and sure it is possible that maybe I will, depending on if we might stay down here for a while, but from my June 20, 2023 Binance-related error, I had put the excessive cash from that error into buying on dips, so my having had done that contributes a bit towards some disinclination to DCA.. since quite a few of those buying on dip orders have been getting filled.. at least from $30k-ish and down to $26k-ish so far.

Another thing that might differentiate us is that since about 2013 or so (when I got into bitcoin), I have not really been in the higher earner (or even overall building of my investment portfolio) stage of my life, since I had already built most of my investment portfolio over the 25 years or so prior to 2013.. so that could also contribute to why I remain a DCA advocate for newbies but I am not really employing too much of that for myself since about 2016-ish.. except in kind of special situations, as I already mentioned.

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Please JJG, we talked more than enough in the past regarding the bet. You can scroll up all our conversation. I wanted to bet for a ‘significative’ amount, not ‘peanuts’. You asked for time but didn’t get back then (and waiting more time help you to see where the market goes..). I don’t have the exact number, but I think you were able to bet than BTC will never go below 16Kish. But stop on it, enough talked about it, and too late now. Useless.

Get out of here.  Even though we talked about some potential terms, we did not even get close enough to solidifying any kind of an agreement on the terms in order for you to really suggest what they were going to be by the time we would have locked in a bet.  The bet gets locked in based on market conditions and beliefs at the time that the bet is made (agreed to by both), not at the time that it might have been originally proposed, when market conditions might have changed during the discussions...

Regarding my last post, I didn’t say I know more than everybody,

I was referring to my sense of your tone, you little twat.  not that my tone in this here case is much better.. hahahahhaha

I just exposed facts since 2 years and you seem globally agree.

Yes.. it seems that you attempted to present some facts, but there were several places where that rendition of facts was lacking in objectivity.. and there is no need for us to go through and parse every piece because it does not even matter that much.  You can present you spin however you like. I give little shits, and I already merited that post for its overall rendition of quite a few various "facts," even though I did not agree with several parts of it, but I still concluded that you had done a decently enough job presenting them.. and furthermore part of my reason for mentioning my disagreement of aspects of your tone had to do with my not wanting to send a signal that I agreed with all things in that post or that "you did a great job" blah blah blah..merely because i merited it.

In other words, I find you to be a bit of an annoying little twat and also not generally presenting matters very fairly, but in that post, it seemed to be decently well, better than some of your other nonsense, and merit worthy in the sense that even people who might not know you would have not been lured too far off the beaten path based on whatever various spins that I had sensed that you were making therein.

We can be right, we can be wrong but according to these facts, any ‘early’ BTC investor/believer cannot be really surprise IMHO.

Sure.  We likely cannot be and should not be surprised for what has happened so far up until now, but you had also been placing a certain kind of attempt at a doom in terms of where you seem to be suggesting where we might be going too, but you framed your assertions in such an amorphous (and non-specific) way that it seems to me that you are largely just attempting to set up the situation in order that you can end up being a soothsayer because of the vague ways in which you were suggesting where the BTC price might be going from here.

Another thing, once the BTC price goes somewhere, the of course, it becomes easier to proclaim that anyone should have known that it was going to go there blah blah blah.. so it seems a bit overly vindictive to suggest that people are dumb for having some level of disbelief about where we are currently at versus where they thought that we would be... and in any event you seemed to have had been largely just making up this group of "so called disappointed" ones in order to make fun of some of the suffering of those who might have had been overly bullish..

..and surely you are not the only twat who engages in that kind of behavior... but hey, do what you like.. it is not that egregious of behavior, even if I find it to be somewhat annoying.. but you have a right to be yourself.. so do whatever you want...if you think that it makes you feel good to call people dummies for not sufficiently preparing for down, then whatever.. go ahead... but I can still suggest that makes you seem like you wanting to describe ur lil selfie as if you are smarter than everyone else..

Based on the BTC history + timing + oversold and FTX collapse, I would say there is High chance than the bottom is in.
But to know if we will DEFINITELY bounce from 25Kish or if we will visit again 20/22K or even 16/18K for some (quick) moments, ofc nobody can know.

I don't have any problem with this kind of an assessment/characterization regarding where we might go based on where we have been (and/or current facts on the ground).

Large target could be between 16 and 30K for some more months.

Of course, those lower amounts, even below $22k-ish in terms of a spike down, are not out of the question, but they seem difficult to consider in terms of a "base case".. another thing is that I might wel l need to consider my don't wake me up zone away from $25k-$35k, but I am still reluctant to do that without actually breaking the "don't wake me up zone" and so if we continue to gravitate at the lower end of that zone, then sure it could end up breaking down and out of the zone,

..so whether I might need to reestablish my own thinking about the zone before it breaks is another question, and really I doubt that I am really changing anything that I do, but surely it could affect ways that I talk about where we are at and where we might be going... in the shorter term.. maybe within the next couple of weeks and maybe even through the end of the year or a bit further down the road.. but personally, I frequently find it difficult to get into talking about subsequent legs prior to seeing where the current leg might go.

That’s why DCA from there can be a good balance risk/reward till the REAL up.

This is not really clear.

Perhaps you mean "DCA from here?"  which I would agree with that.  If you are saying DCA from there, then I would need to now what "there" would be.
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Back from vacation to find the corn has crashed a little, but not enough to make me buy more than my DCA amount. Below 20K, I will be tempted (but then there is the issue of the fiat onramp again, annoying).
Anything that takes Bitcoin below $20k again will make a lot of people, including me, buy aggressively. That will be a major giveaway because any positive news will lead to immediate profits even before the much anticipated bull market.

I don't see that happening though but then, we always keep open mind as either way is good for me... the beauty of DCA.
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Here's why Bitcoin will rally harder than Gold:
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2. Multiples are tighter. Gold requires roughly $1.6bn (according to BofA) to move the Gold market cap by 1%. Bitcoin needs just $93m according to the same research.
That $93 million is currently worth about 3550 Bitcoin. After the next halving, the block reward will be 3.25 Bitcoin lower than it is now. That means it takes about 1100 blocks to feel a 3550 Bitcoin reduction in supply. That's about 8 days.
By this math, after the halving I'd expect a 1% upward price pressure every 8 days compared to the current path without halving. That's well over 50% per year.
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