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they will play this bearish sideways game until no one expects an uptrend anymore.. then boom into disbelief phase
(could take another year)
I have seen this movie too many times...

The problem is simple we are at 28k and if we are not close to 50k by April 1 2024 miners will be hurting bigly. so the sooner we get a pressure relief rally close to 40k the move miners will not panic.  This feels so 2015 (OCT went up 33%) I think the miner relief rally happens this month just like it did in 2015.

or maybe not
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they will play this bearish sideways game until no one expects an uptrend anymore.. then boom into disbelief phase
(could take another year)
I have seen this movie too many times...

As the halving gets close the psychological pressure continues to increase.

There's still a group of "what if" people and it's the same group that usually goes FOMO. The people who are like rubber bands that keep on delaying the decision until they can't stand it anymore. The type of people who save up and never do any shopping for a year and then go YOLO and get all the things they wanted throughout the year at one go. I'm sure you know someone like that.

Just another normal reaction where they just join the hype by word when its early but can't take good decision when there's opportunity and get FOMO when everything start that's why those people lose since they miss certain good positions to ride on.

I see lot of people doing this and for sure there's still a lot of people like this will exist on this upcoming halving so for sure they regret their decision for not accumulating and only get chunks when bull run happen.
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After seeing that 1k jump in a matter of few minutes.
I did have the impression something like this and expecting something in the morning. lol
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The problem is simple we are at 28k and if we are not close to 50k by April 1 2024 miners will be hurting bigly. so the sooner we get a pressure relief rally close to 40k the move miners will not panic.
Some estimates reported in Glassnode say that average block mining costs will be about 30k-40k after bitcoin halving. Are these estimates inaccurate or does the price have to be above 50k to be profitable?
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The problem is simple we are at 28k and if we are not close to 50k by April 1 2024 miners will be hurting bigly. so the sooner we get a pressure relief rally close to 40k the move miners will not panic.
Some estimates reported in Glassnode say that average block mining costs will be about 30k-40k after bitcoin halving. Are these estimates inaccurate or does the price have to be above 50k to be profitable?

If the current difficulty stands in April miners need 40 to 50 k price .

the top of the line s21 does 200 th  and burns 3.5 kwatts

so 200 x 0.061 = 12.20 usd earned daily

3.5 kwatts is 80 kwatts a day  . 4 cent power means $3.20 cost

So the miner is fine except that he just paid about 4000 to get the machine this month.

at the ½ ing that machine earns 6.10 and burns $3.20.  so if he managed to have all top of the line gear right now he has to buy all new machines which are not in stock.

He could get all s19xp for 3200 right now.

they earn 8.40 a day and burn  3.20

at ½ ing they earn 4.2 a day and burn 3.20 very border line.

In both cases top of the line gear that is costly is needed now as I type.

standard gear is s19j pro

earns 6.40 burns 3.20 okay now
at ½ ing

earns 3.20 burns 3.2 no good for the almost any miner

Since most gear is 100th at 3.2k watts maybe 250-300eh at current price it will lose for almost every miner in the world.

the long term power cost for profit needed has been  six cent power.

i am using 4 cent numbers so I am extra conservative.

basically if we hit the ½ ing at 27-32k and stay there for two months it will be a first.

it is why I look more at 2015 to 2016 mining relief rally to be done from 2023 to 2024.

which means 40-50k in march/ april 2024



this is like t/a. but based on mining numbers.  it is a bit more accurate then t/a as it is less subject to interpretation.


but in 2019 to 2020 it did not happen so i toss it due to covid .


i still think a strong oct move up. this oct.
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The problem is simple we are at 28k and if we are not close to 50k by April 1 2024 miners will be hurting bigly. so the sooner we get a pressure relief rally close to 40k the move miners will not panic.
Some estimates reported in Glassnode say that average block mining costs will be about 30k-40k after bitcoin halving. Are these estimates inaccurate or does the price have to be above 50k to be profitable?

i still think a strong oct move up. this oct.

Or November, December-same thing, probably.
$40-45K for halving sounds like a very reasonable price.
Even though the miners would not be very profitable at those numbers post halving, they could still withhold selling mined bitcoin for a few months while causing more appreciation in the interim.
They were doing this around each halving, imho.
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The problem is simple we are at 28k and if we are not close to 50k by April 1 2024 miners will be hurting bigly. so the sooner we get a pressure relief rally close to 40k the move miners will not panic.
Some estimates reported in Glassnode say that average block mining costs will be about 30k-40k after bitcoin halving. Are these estimates inaccurate or does the price have to be above 50k to be profitable?

i still think a strong oct move up. this oct.

Or November, December-same thing, probably.
$40-45K for halving sounds like a very reasonable price.
Even though the miners would not be very profitable at those numbers post halving, they could still withhold selling mined bitcoin for a few months while causing more appreciation in the interim.
They were doing this around each halving, imho.

High provability that we can see big movements this coming November, to many people will start to save their bitcoin since they speculate to earn huge for this upcoming halving.
Also for sure miners will hold their mined bitcoins since most of them know the situation and they could earn more compare is they sell some early or some good changes happen in the market.
$40k-$50k sounds fair and reachable but for sure all want to see a new ATH recorded at that event.
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The problem is simple we are at 28k and if we are not close to 50k by April 1 2024 miners will be hurting bigly. so the sooner we get a pressure relief rally close to 40k the move miners will not panic.
Some estimates reported in Glassnode say that average block mining costs will be about 30k-40k after bitcoin halving. Are these estimates inaccurate or does the price have to be above 50k to be profitable?
i still think a strong oct move up. this oct.
Or November, December-same thing, probably.
$40-45K for halving sounds like a very reasonable price.
Even though the miners would not be very profitable at those numbers post halving, they could still withhold selling mined bitcoin for a few months while causing more appreciation in the interim.
They were doing this around each halving, imho.
High provability that we can see big movements this coming November, to many people will start to save their bitcoin since they speculate to earn huge for this upcoming halving.
Also for sure miners will hold their mined bitcoins since most of them know the situation and they could earn more compare is they sell some early or some good changes happen in the market.
$40k-$50k sounds fair and reachable but for sure all want to see a new ATH recorded at that event.
i also think so, holding the bitcoin they get is the wisest step rather than selling it immediately before and after the halving, miners have quite large operational costs, if they sell at low prices it will be difficult for them to survive in the future, many predict there will be a new ATH for bitcoin next year.
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