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August 18, 2014, 06:51:36 PM

Bubble isn't going to happen... probably never, but it's certainly going to be a long time at least. People cutting their loose now, Much better places to stick your cash for the next 6 months while we wait to see where this goes.

You registered here two days ago. Forgive me if i take every word you write with a pinch of salt. If it isn't going to rise again, why do you want to buy in lower?
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August 18, 2014, 06:55:11 PM

If these sales prices don't encourage bulls, and those sitting on the fence.. then time will will Cheesy
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August 18, 2014, 06:55:14 PM

Is it possible to arbitrage between bitstamp and btc-e nowdays? What is the fastest money transfer?

PS: offtopic: Is there a reason why ltc gets slaughtered the last weeks? It lost 2/3 against BTC.
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August 18, 2014, 06:56:33 PM

Bubble isn't going to happen... probably never, but it's certainly going to be a long time at least. People cutting their loose now, Much better places to stick your cash for the next 6 months while we wait to see where this goes.

Bubbles come when you least expect them.

Bitcoin and this forum need to be forgotten again! and maybe a new bubble will happen...


Sure, but we're still in an enormous bear trend, and we're not even at the blood in the streets phase yet. Litecoin definitely is, and bitcoin will follow it down I suspect. When you see the bulltards here give up hope and admit the folly in their thought processes, then maybe, just maybe a few months later it will happen again.

That is, if we don't break $300. If that happens, all bets are off for the future of crypto. It would be a huge strike to the confidence of the crypto economy.

The whole 'blood in the street' being necessary is what is going to bite the bears in the butt when the time comes. I don't remember much blood last year before the autumn rise.

We didn't need such a phase last time around, because there were still few who believed that it was going to happen again. In 2014, everyone and their mom was anticipating another bubble, and even got their aunts, uncles, grandparents to invest for the same purposes. Once everyone expects it, it won't happen and they need to be flushed out of the system, sadly.
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August 18, 2014, 06:57:51 PM

We have been on this price level from roughly March 31 until May 19 this year, so what's the deal
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August 18, 2014, 06:59:33 PM


Explanation
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Double bottoms are often deceptive





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August 18, 2014, 07:01:15 PM

We have been on this price level from roughly March 31 until May 19 this year, so what's the deal

Nobody knows. Plenty of stories flying around. Regardless of the causes, we are flirting with key technical resistance points. If we break $440, then things could get interesting... imo of course.
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August 18, 2014, 07:05:55 PM

Bubble isn't going to happen... probably never, but it's certainly going to be a long time at least. People cutting their loose now, Much better places to stick your cash for the next 6 months while we wait to see where this goes.

You registered here two days ago. Forgive me if i take every word you write with a pinch of salt. If it isn't going to rise again, why do you want to buy in lower?

You can trust me because I bring forth an outsider's view of bitcoin. For the past year, people here have been brainwashed by the echo chamber, they have no ability to think rationally anymore!
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August 18, 2014, 07:06:41 PM

We have been on this price level from roughly March 31 until May 19 this year, so what's the deal

Nobody knows. Plenty of stories flying around. Regardless of the causes, we are flirting with key technical resistance points. If we break $440, then things could get interesting... imo of course.

i'm gana do it, i'm gana send some fiat in case we gets that low, anyway i have tons of shopping to do.
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August 18, 2014, 07:11:03 PM

Bubble isn't going to happen... probably never, but it's certainly going to be a long time at least. People cutting their loose now, Much better places to stick your cash for the next 6 months while we wait to see where this goes.

You registered here two days ago. Forgive me if i take every word you write with a pinch of salt. If it isn't going to rise again, why do you want to buy in lower?

You can trust me because I bring forth an outsider's view of bitcoin. For the past year, people here have been brainwashed by the echo chamber, they have no ability to think rationally anymore!

Fairly sure you are a) not an outsider, and b) probably operate more than one similar account on btc. Who are you really?
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August 18, 2014, 07:13:17 PM

Bubble isn't going to happen... probably never, but it's certainly going to be a long time at least. People cutting their loose now, Much better places to stick your cash for the next 6 months while we wait to see where this goes.

You registered here two days ago. Forgive me if i take every word you write with a pinch of salt. If it isn't going to rise again, why do you want to buy in lower?

You can trust me because I bring forth an outsider's view of bitcoin. For the past year, people here have been brainwashed by the echo chamber, they have no ability to think rationally anymore!

Fairly sure you are a) not an outsider, and b) probably operate more than one similar account on btc. Who are you really?

Pretty sure this entire thread is just Adam talking to himself with alt accounts. Even I'm not sure I'm real.
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Pretty sure this entire thread is just Adam talking to himself with alt accounts. Even I'm not sure I'm real.

No, that's not what I...I mean...uh...Adam...that's not what we're doing at all!
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August 18, 2014, 07:18:23 PM

Bubble isn't going to happen... probably never, but it's certainly going to be a long time at least. People cutting their loose now, Much better places to stick your cash for the next 6 months while we wait to see where this goes.

You registered here two days ago. Forgive me if i take every word you write with a pinch of salt. If it isn't going to rise again, why do you want to buy in lower?

You can trust me because I bring forth an outsider's view of bitcoin. For the past year, people here have been brainwashed by the echo chamber, they have no ability to think rationally anymore!

Fairly sure you are a) not an outsider, and b) probably operate more than one similar account on btc. Who are you really?

Pretty sure this entire thread is just Adam talking to himself with alt accounts. Even I'm not sure I'm real.


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August 18, 2014, 07:19:45 PM

Bubble isn't going to happen... probably never, but it's certainly going to be a long time at least. People cutting their loose now, Much better places to stick your cash for the next 6 months while we wait to see where this goes.

You registered here two days ago. Forgive me if i take every word you write with a pinch of salt. If it isn't going to rise again, why do you want to buy in lower?

You can trust me because I bring forth an outsider's view of bitcoin. For the past year, people here have been brainwashed by the echo chamber, they have no ability to think rationally anymore!

Fairly sure you are a) not an outsider, and b) probably operate more than one similar account on btc. Who are you really?

Pretty sure this entire thread is just Adam talking to himself with alt accounts. Even I'm not sure I'm real.


Brilliant

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August 18, 2014, 07:20:31 PM


Pretty sure this entire thread is just Adam talking to himself with alt accounts. Even I'm not sure I'm real.

No, that's not what I...I mean...uh...Adam...that's not what we're doing at all!

Yes! We're all complete different persons! I can guarantee!
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August 18, 2014, 07:24:38 PM

Just posted the following on reddit in response to "wtf is causing price to fall?", thought I'd share it here, too:

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Market dynamics:

Negative feedback

Usually there is a dampening effect prevalent in the market

  • when price rises, demand decreases and supply increases
  • when price falls, demand increases and supply decreases

It's pretty easy to see: at lower prices there's more people willing to buy, at higher prices there's more people willing to sell.

This has dampening effect on price movement: each time the price wants to take a hike in any direction, it's slowed down by this.

This is called **negative feedback**, because a result of the process influences the process itself in such a way that **it reduces changes**.

However in some situations like now there are stronger effects that resemble **positive feedback**. With positive feedback, the results of the process influence the process itself in such a way that the **magnitude of the change increases**.

I can think of a couple of things that might currently be in effect and have a positive feedback on falling price:

  • Miners: miners are forced to sell part of the mined coins to cover fiat expenses. A falling price causes them to increase the percentage of coins they have to sell => positive feedback
  • Margin calls, forced liquidation:  falling price can trigger leveraged longs on exchange to be automatically liquidated, which results in more selling => positive feedback
  • Market participant psychology: falling price causes frustration, anger, and fear in at least some market participants, which in turn causes them to sell => positive feedback.

So: the system is out of balance.

Fortunately, all of the above positive feedback effects are dependant on some resource that is reduced and ultimately depleted in the process:

  • miners: they cannot sell more than 100%
  • liquidations: there's only so many longs
  • psychology: the panic-sellers have only a limited amount of coins

So don't worry: the imbalance to the downside is only temporary ;-)

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not sure how naive or accurate, but these are my thoughts on the reasons of the price fall.
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August 18, 2014, 07:29:17 PM

Fairly sure you are a) not an outsider, and b) probably operate more than one similar account on btc. Who are you really?

I was a respected member of this forum in the past, but was banned by your moderators out of fear that my observations would cause a panic. Thus, I was forced to open this new account in order to spread the word of bitcoin's upcoming demise. Cut your loose while you still can!
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I wanna see the ~300's again  Grin Grin Grin

Hello there 300's! It's been 4 months since the last time I saw you  Grin Grin Grin



I wanna see the ~300's again  Grin Grin Grin

Chances of that are very less , we haven't even seen under $400 for last few months Tongue
I wanna see the ~300's again  Grin Grin Grin

lol, you want price will reduce to 50%, do you know the effect of 50% down.
Price is fairly stable. Bears come out and try to talk people into selling by predicting a fall down to 3xx and 4xx. Hrmph.


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August 18, 2014, 07:31:44 PM

Just posted the following on reddit in response to "wtf is causing price to fall?", thought I'd share it here, too:

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Market dynamics:

Negative feedback

Usually there is a dampening effect prevalent in the market

  • when price rises, demand decreases and supply increases
  • when price falls, demand increases and supply decreases

It's pretty easy to see: at lower prices there's more people willing to buy, at higher prices there's more people willing to sell.

This has dampening effect on price movement: each time the price wants to take a hike in any direction, it's slowed down by this.

This is called **negative feedback**, because a result of the process influences the process itself in such a way that **it reduces changes**.

However in some situations like now there are stronger effects that resemble **positive feedback**. With positive feedback, the results of the process influence the process itself in such a way that the **magnitude of the change increases**.

I can think of a couple of things that might currently be in effect and have a positive feedback on falling price:

  • Miners: miners are forced to sell part of the mined coins to cover fiat expenses. A falling price causes them to increase the percentage of coins they have to sell => positive feedback
  • Margin calls, forced liquidation:  falling price can trigger leveraged longs on exchange to be automatically liquidated, which results in more selling => positive feedback
  • Market participant psychology: falling price causes frustration, anger, and fear in at least some market participants, which in turn causes them to sell => positive feedback.

So: the system is out of balance.

Fortunately, all of the above positive feedback effects are dependant on some resource that is reduced and ultimately depleted in the process:

  • miners: they cannot sell more than 100%
  • liquidations: there's only so many longs
  • psychology: the panic-sellers have only a limited amount of coins

So don't worry: the imbalance to the downside is only temporary ;-)

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not sure how naive or accurate, but these are my thoughts on the reasons of the price fall.





PS: just kidding, don't take it too personal.
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