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September 27, 2014, 01:53:32 PM


shit, once these sites started to appear you know what will happen to adoption, imagine your self as a person who've heard something about Bitcoin, your are curious, you want to learn more about it, you go to your search engine and type in Bitcoin, the result will be sites like this...

It's already much much worse...
http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/everyones-a-scammer/
http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/hyperbitcoinization/

hell everything on that site is so whack that unsuspecting newbies will stay away as far as possible.
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September 27, 2014, 01:53:57 PM

You need two grocery carts to properly show the amount 1BTC can purchase at any point during 2014.
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September 27, 2014, 02:01:18 PM


Explanation
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Add 2015 to Bitcoins side image: The whole supermarket  Cool
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September 27, 2014, 02:17:10 PM


Soon they will, don't ya worry.
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September 27, 2014, 02:23:30 PM

I've been watching the BTC price for a little while now and I'm wondering what peoples views are on the reasons for the fall in BTC price.

As I have written many times before, I believe that the Nov/2013 bubble was caused by the opening of the "popular" Chinese market.  At least two articles in mainstream media claimed that in China there was a large population of amateur and semi-professional speculators, not particularly computer-savy, who used to trade all sort of commodities like fermented tea; and those people enthusiastically embraced bitcoin as a much better item of speculation.  The main Chinese exchanges Huobi and OKCoin opened in Beijing only a few months before the bubble, and grew enormously during it.

The Apr/2013 bubble, too, was probably driven by China, specifically by BTC-China in Shanghai.  Shanghai is a special economic zone, and BTC-China changed its management in early 2013 (and may have catered to computer types, rather than the amateur speculators above).

Almost all the large price changes since Nov/2013 can be traced to events that are relevant to Chinese traders, such as the Chinese government decrees that banned the use of bitcoin in commerce and finance, and various rumors and disclaimers about them.

In contrast, significant events that are relevant only to "the West" (the world outside China), such as Dell and other merchants "accepting bitcoins", have had practically no effect on the price.  To me it is pretty clear that the Western exchanges largely track the Chinese ones through arbitrage trading (which may be a significant fraction of their trading volume).

There are only a few large price swings that I cannot relate to any external event, in China or in the West.  In particular, I still have no explanation for the rally that lifted the price from ~450$ to ~650$ between May/20 and Jun/10.  But my guess is that it, too, was related to Chinese events and affected mostly the demand in China.

Anyway, I believe that the cause for the overall decline since Jan/2014 should be sought in China.  My guess is that, from February to May, those Chinese speculators grew increasingly disappointed with bitcoin -- not just because the stagnating price and the government's policies, but because they could not compete with the robots and other tricks used by the more sophisticated traders (which may have included insiders or special clients).  Since those amateur traders have no other use for bitcoin in China, they probably sold their BTC and withdrew the yuan.

The Chinese exchange owners admitted this problem in early May and promised to make the field more level by suspending leverage trading and curbing high-frequency trading (a promise that, according to Bobby Lee, they broke not long after that).

This hypothetical exodus of amateur traders could explain the general downward trend from February to May, superimposed on the sudden swings related to specific external events; and the remedial measures taken by the Chinese exchanges may explain why the price remained relatively stable during May. 

Thus, I see the drop of the last few weeks as being due to the Chinese traders returning to their state in early May.  The unknown news that caused the surge in demand after May 20 were apparently negated. 

In spite of all the losses so far, the price still seems to be quite a bit higher than what could be sustained by Western demand alone.  On Apr/11 we had a glimpse of what would happen if the Chinese were to pull out completely: in response to some bad news, that again was relevant only to the Chinese market, the price briefly dropped to ~340$. 

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Old coin being spent in shops and businesses. These companies auto sell, so effectively people spending BTC they've stored for a while pushes BTC down.

Drops perpetuated by fear as people look to get out while BTC goes down hoping to hitch a ride when/if it rises again.

Rises in other markets that are attracting investors away from BTC (exacerbated by the fall in BTC price).

Yes, all these factors may be helping the decline.
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September 27, 2014, 02:30:03 PM


lol Grin
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September 27, 2014, 02:33:39 PM


Hopefully.  Just love absurd propaganda posters.

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September 27, 2014, 03:01:17 PM


Explanation
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September 27, 2014, 03:19:07 PM


Someday 1 BTC might buy the store. $20 never will.
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September 27, 2014, 03:23:46 PM

Someday 1 BTC might buy the store. $20 never will.

Shit, so, better put my savings in lottery tickets from now on, for one day they might buy you 20 stores.

/logic
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September 27, 2014, 03:26:19 PM

Someday 1 BTC might buy the store. $20 never will.

Shit, so, better put my savings in lottery tickets from now on, for one day they might buy you 20 stores.

/logic

I can't spend lottery tickets at Newegg. Nor can I trade lottery tickets for alternative lottery tickets in attempt to gain more lottery tickets so I can buy more at Newegg!

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September 27, 2014, 03:29:00 PM

Someday 1 BTC might buy the store. $20 never will.

Shit, so, better put my savings in lottery tickets from now on, for one day they might buy you 20 stores.

/logic

A lottery ticket is a negative EV "investment" by its very definition. Bitcoin is the investment with the largest positive EV on the planet.
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September 27, 2014, 03:33:11 PM

too much talking

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not enough buying

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dip incoming
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September 27, 2014, 03:36:38 PM

...Bitcoin is the investment with the largest positive EV on the planet.

OK, I'll take the bait.  Tell me how.
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September 27, 2014, 03:39:51 PM

>400 $


Been there, done that!
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September 27, 2014, 03:40:20 PM

Please crash...oh pretty plz
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September 27, 2014, 03:40:43 PM

400 barely hodling
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September 27, 2014, 03:40:59 PM

Someday 1 BTC might buy the store. $20 never will.

Shit, so, better put my savings in lottery tickets from now on, for one day they might buy you 20 stores.

/logic

A lottery ticket is a negative EV "investment" by its very definition. Bitcoin is the investment with the largest positive EV on the planet.

And what, other than pure speculation (just like when you buy a lottery ticket), do you base that expectation on? By the few souls who said "BTC will be $100.000 one day"? At this moment there is no reason to expect a positive return on your investment. The long term upward trend that included the 3 bubbles at $32, $266 and $1200 has already been very convincingly breached downwards.
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