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November 13, 2014, 01:34:10 PM

^Google and I understand each other Smiley

why is today a good day to die?

Because Google said so.  Try it yourself:  Type "today is a good day " and see what the top suggestion is Smiley
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November 13, 2014, 01:35:49 PM

^How about you learn something about Bitcoin instead of shitting up this thread with your inanities?

I alreAdy learned the greatest lesson bitcoin can teach.
That I can make a fuck-tonne of money sitting on my ass and drinking beer. Granted those days are gone, I can still do the latter 2/3 rds
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November 13, 2014, 01:38:27 PM

How about you look for a job instead of trolling this thread every day?

You might be able to buy some bitcoins to profit from this run  Roll Eyes
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November 13, 2014, 01:39:35 PM

^Google and I understand each other Smiley

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all i got was this

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November 13, 2014, 01:40:41 PM

one day, when you're ready, you will see the (technical) light, and identify the two main drivers of markets (outside fundamentals): momentum, and mean reversion Cheesy

Seriously, here is one of the reasons why I can't take most TA seriously:

An n-day moving average (MAn) is the average of n consecutive prices.  Charting the moving average instead of the price reduces the random day-to-day noise while preserving the longer-term variations.

An exponential moving average (EMA) is  similar, but gives more weight to the recent behavior -- and is easier to compute if you are using pencil and paper or a slide rule. 8-)

The difference between two MAs with different periods -- say, 7 and 21 days -- is basically a smoothed version of the second derivative of the price.  If MA7 is higher than MA21, the trend of the price is bearish, curving downwards: it is braking while going up, then accelerating down.  Conversely, if  MA7 is lower than MA21, it means that the trend is bullish, curving upwards: braking while going down, then accelerating up.   When the two graphs cross, then, the trend is changing from one mood to the other.

Good so far. However, the average of the last 21 prices tells what the price was 10 days ago, not today.   But analysts always plot the MA21 value at the final date of the 21-day interval, not at the central date.  So, the traditional MA21 plot is displaced 10 days to the right relative to its logically correct position (and you can see that clearly when it is plotted over the daily price chart).  Similarly, the  MA7  chart is shifted 3 days to the right.  Therefore, the two plots cross at the wrong dates; if they were drawn at the correct dates, crossings might appear or disappear.

TA folks even understand this problem, but they have been plotting their MAs and EMAs that way since the lower Paleolithic, and cannot be convinced to change their habits.  There may also be a psychological factor: plotting the MAn values at the correct dates makes it obvious that the analysis is based on information that is 10 days old; whereas plotting it the traditional way gives the impression that the analysis is hot from the ticker's mouth.

There is also the problem that the crossings depend on the arbitrary choice of the MA periods.   It is like computing the ROI of bitcoin investment: one gets completely different results depending on the time scale considered.

Finally,  this MA-crossing analysis depends on the hypothesis that there is an underlying price trend that can be revealed by smoothing the price.  That may be true in ordinary stocks, where the price is partly determined by fundamentals that change slowly with time (such as the overall economy and product sales).  It is rather questionable with bitcoin, since its "fudamentals" are isolated unpredictable events (like PBoC decrees and rumors).  We see that in the charts, where rallies and crashes often start suddenly, out of nowhere.
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November 13, 2014, 01:40:58 PM

How about you look for a job instead of trolling this thread every day?

You might be able to buy some bitcoins to profit from this run  Roll Eyes

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November 13, 2014, 01:44:16 PM

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I alreAdy learned the greatest lesson bitcoin can teach.
That I can make a fuck-tonne of money sitting on my ass and drinking beer. Granted those days are gone, I can still do the latter 2/3 rds

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November 13, 2014, 01:45:55 PM

Richard Branson tweeted about bitcoin today.
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November 13, 2014, 01:46:43 PM

How about you look for a job instead of trolling this thread every day?

You might be able to buy some bitcoins to profit from this run  Roll Eyes

>look for a job

So... what's poverty like?

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November 13, 2014, 01:57:09 PM

Do you try to tell me that only poor people buy bitcoin? Cheesy
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November 13, 2014, 02:03:56 PM

Do you try to tell me that only poor people buy bitcoin? Cheesy

No.  I did tell you that only poor people need to look for a job.
Now I'm also telling you that you yourself need to work on reasoning and reading comprehension skills.

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November 13, 2014, 02:04:53 PM

one day, when you're ready, you will see the (technical) light, and identify the two main drivers of markets (outside fundamentals): momentum, and mean reversion Cheesy

Seriously, here is one of the reasons why I can't take most TA seriously:

An n-day moving average (MAn) is the average of n consecutive prices.  Charting the moving average instead of the price reduces the random day-to-day noise while preserving the longer-term variations.

An exponential moving average (EMA) is  similar, but gives more weight to the recent behavior -- and is easier to compute if you are using pencil and paper or a slide rule. 8-)

The difference between two MAs with different periods -- say, 7 and 21 days -- is basically a smoothed version of the second derivative of the price.  If MA7 is higher than MA21, the trend of the price is bearish, curving downwards: it is braking while going up, then accelerating down.  Conversely, if  MA7 is lower than MA21, it means that the trend is bullish, curving upwards: braking while going down, then accelerating up.   When the two graphs cross, then, the trend is changing from one mood to the other.

Good so far. However, the average of the last 21 prices tells what the price was 10 days ago, not today.   But analysts always plot the MA21 value at the final date of the 21-day interval, not at the central date.  So, the traditional MA21 plot is displaced 10 days to the right relative to its logically correct position (and you can see that clearly when it is plotted over the daily price chart).  Similarly, the  MA7  chart is shifted 3 days to the right.  Therefore, the two plots cross at the wrong dates; if they were drawn at the correct dates, crossings might appear or disappear.

TA folks even understand this problem, but they have been plotting their MAs and EMAs that way since the lower Paleolithic, and cannot be convinced to change their habits.  There may also be a psychological factor: plotting the MAn values at the correct dates makes it obvious that the analysis is based on information that is 10 days old; whereas plotting it the traditional way gives the impression that the analysis is hot from the ticker's mouth.

There is also the problem that the crossings depend on the arbitrary choice of the MA periods.   It is like computing the ROI of bitcoin investment: one gets completely different results depending on the time scale considered.

Finally,  this MA-crossing analysis depends on the hypothesis that there is an underlying price trend that can be revealed by smoothing the price.  That may be true in ordinary stocks, where the price is partly determined by fundamentals that change slowly with time (such as the overall economy and product sales).  It is rather questionable with bitcoin, since its "fudamentals" are isolated unpredictable events (like PBoC decrees and rumors).  We see that in the charts, where rallies and crashes often start suddenly, out of nowhere.

It doesn't matter what TA events are or how the lines that indicate them are formed so much as it matter how many traders react to those events. I could have two random lines on the chart, but if 90% of traders are going to trade their intersections, then it's still a valid indicator, a self fulfilling prophesy. TA doesn't have to predict the future, if it causes the future.
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November 13, 2014, 02:06:41 PM

one day, when you're ready, you will see the (technical) light, and identify the two main drivers of markets (outside fundamentals): momentum, and mean reversion Cheesy

Seriously, here is one of the reasons why I can't take most TA seriously:

An n-day moving average (MAn) is the average of n consecutive prices.  Charting the moving average instead of the price reduces the random day-to-day noise while preserving the longer-term variations.

An exponential moving average (EMA) is  similar, but gives more weight to the recent behavior -- and is easier to compute if you are using pencil and paper or a slide rule. 8-)

The difference between two MAs with different periods -- say, 7 and 21 days -- is basically a smoothed version of the second derivative of the price.  If MA7 is higher than MA21, the trend of the price is bearish, curving downwards: it is braking while going up, then accelerating down.  Conversely, if  MA7 is lower than MA21, it means that the trend is bullish, curving upwards: braking while going down, then accelerating up.   When the two graphs cross, then, the trend is changing from one mood to the other.

Good so far. However, the average of the last 21 prices tells what the price was 10 days ago, not today.   But analysts always plot the MA21 value at the final date of the 21-day interval, not at the central date.  So, the traditional MA21 plot is displaced 10 days to the right relative to its logically correct position (and you can see that clearly when it is plotted over the daily price chart).  Similarly, the  MA7  chart is shifted 3 days to the right.  Therefore, the two plots cross at the wrong dates; if they were drawn at the correct dates, crossings might appear or disappear.

TA folks even understand this problem, but they have been plotting their MAs and EMAs that way since the lower Paleolithic, and cannot be convinced to change their habits.  There may also be a psychological factor: plotting the MAn values at the correct dates makes it obvious that the analysis is based on information that is 10 days old; whereas plotting it the traditional way gives the impression that the analysis is hot from the ticker's mouth.

There is also the problem that the crossings depend on the arbitrary choice of the MA periods.   It is like computing the ROI of bitcoin investment: one gets completely different results depending on the time scale considered.

Finally,  this MA-crossing analysis depends on the hypothesis that there is an underlying price trend that can be revealed by smoothing the price.  That may be true in ordinary stocks, where the price is partly determined by fundamentals that change slowly with time (such as the overall economy and product sales).  It is rather questionable with bitcoin, since its "fudamentals" are isolated unpredictable events (like PBoC decrees and rumors).  We see that in the charts, where rallies and crashes often start suddenly, out of nowhere.

Nice. Hold that thought, I'll answer properly when I'm back on a real computer.
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November 13, 2014, 02:12:36 PM

Do you try to tell me that only poor people buy bitcoin? Cheesy

No.  I did tell you that only poor people need to look for a job.
Now I'm also telling you that you yourself need to work on reasoning and reading comprehension skills.



Ah i see my bad.

To my defnese though, im always getting  confused when i see the pictures you are posting ^_*
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Ah i see my bad.

To my defnese though, im always getting  confused when i see the pictures you are posting ^_*
The troll who I'll avoid quoting is mistaken.

http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/the-correct-strategy-of-bitcoin-entrepreneurship/
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Do you try to tell me that only poor people buy bitcoin? Cheesy

No.  I did tell you that only poor people need to look for a job.
Now I'm also telling you that you yourself need to work on reasoning and reading comprehension skills.



Ah i see my bad.

To my defnese though, im always getting  confused when i see the pictures you are posting ^_*

No problem.
By acknowledging your shortcomings, you've already taken the first step towards correcting them Smiley
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Trading guide for noobs
I'll hang on to this for next time it's 2011
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Digital, trustless currencies and now--typing dogs!
Heady times, gentlemen.  Heady, exciting times.  
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November 13, 2014, 02:40:52 PM

This volume is utter insanity

2 days in a row it's doubled any other day in history.
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