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December 12, 2014, 04:55:08 PM

Ripple pump soon to be followed by the inevitable dump.
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December 12, 2014, 04:56:05 PM

Ripple pump soon to be followed by the inevitable dump.

These pumpers & dumpers.

Ripple is dead.


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December 12, 2014, 05:00:44 PM


Explanation
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December 12, 2014, 05:02:14 PM

bitcoin adoptoin is growing fast

We do not know that, really.

"Growing adoption" would be more people buying bitcoin for the purpose of paying for goods and services.  As has been pointed out many times, there is no reliable data on that parameter.

Numbers derived from blockchain traffic volume are not reliable, since most of the transactions there seems to be transfers between addresses owned by the same person, or other transfers unrelated to e-commerce. (IIRC, the 50'000 coins auctioned by USMS moved three times in a few days, another 50'000 moved twice, and the remaining 44'000 moved once.  That is almost 300'000 BTC = 105 million USD of blockchain traffic, none of it paying for goods or service.)

The few slightly reliable sources I have suggest that the dollar value of the payments processed by BitPay has been flat or declining in 2014.  I have no data on Coinbase and other processors.  The mere fact that they don't quote any numbers when talking to the media suggests that the numbers are not good.

As has been pointed out many times, almost all of the merchants that "accept bitcoin" do not accept bitcoin really, they accept dollars through BitPay or similar services.  So the number of dollar output channels (affiliated merchants) for BitPay seems to be growing, but we do not know anything about the number of bitcoin input channels (consumers) and the amount of dollars that flows through those channels.

We also have no idea of how many of those consumers bought their coins just to pay for something, and how many spent old coins that they had been holding for months or years.  And we have no idea of how much of that bought-to-pay traffic is new bitcoin adopters, and how much is the same people using bitcoin regularly.

I posted some weeks ago the number of blockchain *addresses* that hold at least 0.1 BTC.  Assuming that a bitcoin user has at least one such address, that number puts the number of users at 650'000 or less (as of the end of September).  That number has increased since January, but that may be only a reflection of the price having dropped by half since then (so that more users can afford to leave 0.1 BTC unspent in their wallets).

maybe newegg should accept gold and silver as payment ..
or maybe they should accept government bonds as payment.
or maybe they should start accepting derivatives and equities as payment.
it appears to me bitcoin is more than just a speculative commodity.

Good point, actually... Imagine if someone set up a VinylPay company: "send your old vinyl records to us and we will send their market value in dollars to a merchant of your choice, for a small fee".  Suppose that many merchants signed up for that service (since it would not cost them anything, and could bring in extra dollars).  Would we say that "vinyl record adoption is increasing"?

- 94k bitcoin will be auctioned in the next months by US Marshalls.
- 30k extra bitcoins also auctioned by Australia soon.
- 200k recovered frozen bitcoins from MtGox could be returned to their owners at any time.
- Less bidders in the recently 50k auction, was also really bearish sign.

The 220'000 MtGOX bitcoins will be locked up at least until September 2015, which is the current deadline for the trustee to validate the claims by former customers (that they are supposed to submit until May 2015, in some way that is still unspecified.)  After that, they may be reurned to clients as bitcoins, pobably through Kraken accounts; or they may have to be auctioned in Japan for yen.

The USMS may soon auction a few more coins seized from other sites and individuals that they have arrested after the SilkRoad 1.0 raid: SilkRoad 2.0, a Dutch SR merchant (Joop?), Trendon Shavers, some LocalBitcoins guys, ...  Those auctions, if they happen, would enter the USMS queue, after the remaining SR coins.

The last USMS auction not only had fewer bidders, but the winning bidders (except Draper, who got 2000 coins) were small fish who bid for 1200 BTC each, on average, and could not afford to bid for a whole 2000 BTC lot (or did not want to).  The relative lack of interest by whales, compared to small fish, seems bearish too.

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December 12, 2014, 05:17:17 PM

<faintly plausible bearish crap>

Keep trying..
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December 12, 2014, 05:23:00 PM

 The relative lack of interest by whales, compared to small fish, seems bearish too.


Why do you think whales are any different than small fishes? Psychology behind is the same - they will start buying after new uptrend starts. Whales are not any smarter or less afraid of falling prices. People are attracted to raising prices and not to falling prices regardless if you are millionaire or not. Simple fear and greed control markets and nothing else - fundamentals are bullshit, people were buying tulips, collecting baseball cards and similar shit.
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December 12, 2014, 05:24:31 PM

Small increase in price over the last 30 mins or so.
Only 5 dollars but every little helps.
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December 12, 2014, 05:24:52 PM

Good morning Bitcoinland.

No crash to double digits nor rally to 5 digits overnight?

Still going sideways?

I can live with that. Cheers.
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December 12, 2014, 05:26:39 PM

The last USMS auction not only had fewer bidders, but the winning bidders (except Draper, who got 2000 coins) were small fish who bid for 1200 BTC each, on average, and could not afford to bid for a whole 2000 BTC lot (or did not want to).  The relative lack of interest by whales, compared to small fish, seems bearish too.

You must be joking right? Now it's even bearish that small fish like yourself are buying small lots of BTC...

I bet if tomorrow, Bill Gates himself buys every single BTC available, you come here yapping and twisting every little detail until it becomes "Bearish".

The auction didn't have less bidders because of lack of interest, BUT because the bottom fishers didn't bother placing low bids.


PS: How does the suicide rate on your university compare to others? Is it higher?
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December 12, 2014, 05:31:56 PM

PS: How does the suicide rate on your university compare to others? Is it higher?

THAT was mean... Grin
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December 12, 2014, 05:33:39 PM

1 Ripple = 0.0175 USD.

Is it worth spending a couple of hundred dollars on Ripple incase it explodes?

Ripple consesus algo is faulty should be very careful

That's stellar's not ripple's.  Jed changed some code when he forked it....
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December 12, 2014, 05:35:02 PM

Ripple pump soon to be followed by the inevitable dump.

There is only the pump...
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December 12, 2014, 05:35:18 PM

PS: How does the suicide rate on your university compare to others? Is it higher?

THAT was mean... Grin

Not sure why I even bothered asking, it probably is  Cheesy
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December 12, 2014, 05:36:29 PM

1 Ripple = 0.0175 USD.

Is it worth spending a couple of hundred dollars on Ripple incase it explodes?

It already exploded, it is at around 3-4x since one month ago.

BTC already exploded 2 years ago... oh and a year ago....
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December 12, 2014, 05:39:11 PM

1 Ripple = 0.0175 USD.

Is it worth spending a couple of hundred dollars on Ripple incase it explodes?

Ripple consesus algo is faulty should be very careful

That's stellar's not ripple's.  Jed changed some code when he forked it....


The blogpost of stellar says something else though.
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December 12, 2014, 05:39:37 PM

I don't understand why Ripple continues to go up so much. I guess the XRP trolls were right?

A lot of them aren't trolls.  A lot of them are bitcoiners themselves and don't see why you don't want to profit off of XRP. Why not use the protocol instead of these scary exchanges while XRP is hot and never leave BTC but keep getting more BTC with your XRP profits.?
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December 12, 2014, 05:40:51 PM

Ripple pump soon to be followed by the inevitable dump.

There is only the pump...then the creampie
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December 12, 2014, 05:41:37 PM

1 Ripple = 0.0175 USD.

Is it worth spending a couple of hundred dollars on Ripple incase it explodes?

Ripple consesus algo is faulty should be very careful

That's stellar's not ripple's.  Jed changed some code when he forked it....


The blogpost of stellar says something else though.

I would do more research for yourself just in case you don't miss a run from $0.175 to $0.06 or something.
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December 12, 2014, 05:44:59 PM

...  ~Derp!
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You are a bit slow today aren't you or not even trying. Let me help you out here, i know that following two threads back can be challenging. I said that "BTC adoption is great news" you brought up an irrelevant point that "Most people who "invest" in BTC don't do it to shop at Dell & NewEgg." as if someone remotely argued otherwise but no judgment here, so i naively followed that with explanation how your case is irrelevant and pointed out other cases to support my initial argument that "BTC adoption is great news" you got confused and started posting pictures of ponies. Can you follow that or would you like me to explain that with pictures?


Trolls do NOT respond to substantive arguments... unless they can make some kinds of quasi-on topic quips.  If the substance becomes very substantial, trolls, such as NOT not porkchop applies ponies, et cetera Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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December 12, 2014, 05:45:52 PM

I don't understand why Ripple continues to go up so much. I guess the XRP trolls were right?


np i will go buy a bunch of ripple and end that problem. hhahhahhahha
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