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April 12, 2018, 02:56:01 PM
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Get some what? You mean invest into Nina? No idea, I know that I only buy ICN and not the DAAs so for me it doesn't matter if it gets listed either way as long there will be fees flowing from it for buybacks Cheesy

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So do we have any conclusion about Nina being present on ICONOMI and available to buy for registered users? Would really like to know should I collect some funds to get some or just forget about it. Maybe next AMA we get straigth answer.
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April 12, 2018, 04:11:08 PM
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Get some what? You mean invest into Nina? No idea, I know that I only buy ICN and not the DAAs so for me it doesn't matter if it gets listed either way as long there will be fees flowing from it for buybacks Cheesy

New #DAA metrics have been released: volatility, max drawdown, and return (including all-time). Check out the new metrics for this quarter's best performer, FCI: https://www.iconomi.net/dashboard/#/daa/FCI
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April 12, 2018, 06:01:53 PM
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Get some what? You mean invest into Nina? No idea, I know that I only buy ICN and not the DAAs so for me it doesn't matter if it gets listed either way as long there will be fees flowing from it for buybacks Cheesy

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So do we have any conclusion about Nina being present on ICONOMI and available to buy for registered users? Would really like to know should I collect some funds to get some or just forget about it. Maybe next AMA we get straigth answer.

Yes, if Nina gets tokenized like BLX did, and it will perform well, I would like to buy some to diversify my portfolio. Do you still fill your bags with ICN? Smiley I cannot convince myself to get more, although still belive some day this token will shine.

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April 14, 2018, 09:54:43 PM
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Get some what? You mean invest into Nina? No idea, I know that I only buy ICN and not the DAAs so for me it doesn't matter if it gets listed either way as long there will be fees flowing from it for buybacks Cheesy

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So do we have any conclusion about Nina being present on ICONOMI and available to buy for registered users? Would really like to know should I collect some funds to get some or just forget about it. Maybe next AMA we get straigth answer.

Yes, if Nina gets tokenized like BLX did, and it will perform well, I would like to buy some to diversify my portfolio. Do you still fill your bags with ICN? Smiley I cannot convince myself to get more, although still belive some day this token will shine.
I think the team has gone back on their word one too many times, so no one trusts them anymore with helping the ICN token. I guess they have completely retracted the whitepaper on which they raised money from investors as well, and have been changing things without consulting with ICN holders who gave them the capital to invest.
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April 16, 2018, 08:34:26 AM
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An insightful interview MatejTomazin gave for TriStone: https://bit.ly/2qz8u5b

And Weekly Update  13 Apr - https://medium.com/iconominet/iconomi-weekly-update-d290aa65be14
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April 16, 2018, 03:56:22 PM
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An insightful interview MatejTomazin gave for TriStone: https://bit.ly/2qz8u5b

And Weekly Update  13 Apr - https://medium.com/iconominet/iconomi-weekly-update-d290aa65be14
Still nothing on the ICN utility Undecided Seems the team has given up on the people who funded them in the first place.

Does anyone have a copy of the original ICONOMI whitepaper that they used to raise money from investors? (Post here or PM me please)
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April 16, 2018, 04:53:38 PM
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An insightful interview MatejTomazin gave for TriStone: https://bit.ly/2qz8u5b

And Weekly Update  13 Apr - https://medium.com/iconominet/iconomi-weekly-update-d290aa65be14
Still nothing on the ICN utility Undecided Seems the team has given up on the people who funded them in the first place.

Does anyone have a copy of the original ICONOMI whitepaper that they used to raise money from investors? (Post here or PM me please)

It does feel like a constant kick in the nuts towards ICO investors.

I think it would be good to post the original whitepaper publically for everyone to see, if anyone still has it that is.

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April 16, 2018, 05:30:40 PM
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An insightful interview MatejTomazin gave for TriStone: https://bit.ly/2qz8u5b

And Weekly Update  13 Apr - https://medium.com/iconominet/iconomi-weekly-update-d290aa65be14
Still nothing on the ICN utility Undecided Seems the team has given up on the people who funded them in the first place.

Does anyone have a copy of the original ICONOMI whitepaper that they used to raise money from investors? (Post here or PM me please)

They announced ICN utilities one month ago and posted a timeline when they will be introduced

https://medium.com/iconominet/introducing-fees-payable-in-icn-4c466e17a6cb

Dividends have been abandoned to avoid being proclaimed as securities which might be a good decision seeing upcoming regulatory framework. Lots of projects are going in the same direction. The end result should be pretty much the same
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I wasn't in crypto in 2016 yet and didn't invest in Iconomi ICO, but when I first bought ICN tokens the dividends was still on the roadmap (early 2017). I've found this pdf dated July 2016, so I guess it is the original one made for crowdsale. They even ditched the token holders voting promise...

https://coss.io/documents/white-papers/iconomi.pdf

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ICN tokens represent ownership of the ICONOMI platform, allowing their holders to receive dividends and vote on ICONOMI related issues.

On the positive side, the team delivered working product - fund management platform, and they are developing it pretty well. Not many blockchain projects did that.

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@muleroaa @ruletheworld

I wasn't in crypto in 2016 yet and didn't invest in Iconomi ICO, but when I first bought ICN tokens the dividends was still on the roadmap (early 2017). I've found this pdf dated July 2016, so I guess it is the original one made for crowdsale. They even ditched the token holders voting promise...

https://coss.io/documents/white-papers/iconomi.pdf

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ICN tokens represent ownership of the ICONOMI platform, allowing their holders to receive dividends and vote on ICONOMI related issues.

On the positive side, the team delivered working product - fund management platform, and they are developing it pretty well. Not many blockchain projects did that.

Thanks for the link. It does seem like the original Whitepaper. I remember reading it before the ICO, but never saved a copy. Good to have a local copy just in case.

For reference on how much the team has gone back on their original promises, here's a quote. Note that dividends vs. buybacks is the least of people's concerns:

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100 % of the ICONOMI tokens represent 100 % ownership of the ICONOMI platform, comprising of all assets and liabilities, as well as each and every right and obligation, including but not limited to intellectual property rights, branding and trademarks.

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ICN tokens represent ownership of the ICONOMI platform, allowing their holders to receive dividends and vote on ICONOMI related issues.

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ICN ownership entitles its possessor to participate in ICONOMI platform related voting. One of the most important voting issues will be the selection of service operators. ICN holders are free to vote on a service operator at any time after the ICONOMI platform has been launched, but not before a 24-month moratorium has passed.

I don't see the above being true one bit.

The biggest problem is, all these 'changes' were done AFTER the team raised millions of dollars from the ICO participants. This is material misrepresentation to investors.

With respect to the actual product being developed, I am quite happy with that to be honest, and you're right that they seem better than most ICOs that never deliver anything. With that being said, all the value is going to the team instead of the ICN holders as they promised during the ICO. This is a problem. It is as if they took the money from one group, and built something to benefit another group, violating all the promises made to the first group during the process of raising money. That's what is concerning - not the product itself, but the use of the funds to benefit the investors who put the money to build the product in the first place. That's why everyone is so keen on the ICN utility, so that the ICO investors can see some of the benefits from the platform as well.

The dividends aspect is just one of dozens of issues.
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April 17, 2018, 08:06:17 AM
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exactly.
They scam us.
I participate in ICO and never see any profit or dividend from this tokens.
Token without connection with platform are useless and nothing worth. Price depends from only speculation even with some burns. Burns nothing is still nothing worth.

Yes platform after many years and funds works but ICN token dont give us any profit.
Its scam.

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April 17, 2018, 09:01:50 AM
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They haven't changed anything but dividends to buybacks.

The 24 month moratorium hasn't passed yet so there was no vote yet...

They stated in a previous AMA that ICN token holders would be entitled to the money from all the Iconomi owned assets if it would come to a stop.

EDIT: Am I unhappy with their speed of development and ICN utility? For sure, but I still think that they are building up the foundations to make ICN holders very rich in the future and I am willing to wait.

@muleroaa @ruletheworld

I wasn't in crypto in 2016 yet and didn't invest in Iconomi ICO, but when I first bought ICN tokens the dividends was still on the roadmap (early 2017). I've found this pdf dated July 2016, so I guess it is the original one made for crowdsale. They even ditched the token holders voting promise...

https://coss.io/documents/white-papers/iconomi.pdf

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ICN tokens represent ownership of the ICONOMI platform, allowing their holders to receive dividends and vote on ICONOMI related issues.

On the positive side, the team delivered working product - fund management platform, and they are developing it pretty well. Not many blockchain projects did that.

Thanks for the link. It does seem like the original Whitepaper. I remember reading it before the ICO, but never saved a copy. Good to have a local copy just in case.

For reference on how much the team has gone back on their original promises, here's a quote. Note that dividends vs. buybacks is the least of people's concerns:

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100 % of the ICONOMI tokens represent 100 % ownership of the ICONOMI platform, comprising of all assets and liabilities, as well as each and every right and obligation, including but not limited to intellectual property rights, branding and trademarks.

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ICN tokens represent ownership of the ICONOMI platform, allowing their holders to receive dividends and vote on ICONOMI related issues.

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ICN ownership entitles its possessor to participate in ICONOMI platform related voting. One of the most important voting issues will be the selection of service operators. ICN holders are free to vote on a service operator at any time after the ICONOMI platform has been launched, but not before a 24-month moratorium has passed.

I don't see the above being true one bit.

The biggest problem is, all these 'changes' were done AFTER the team raised millions of dollars from the ICO participants. This is material misrepresentation to investors.

With respect to the actual product being developed, I am quite happy with that to be honest, and you're right that they seem better than most ICOs that never deliver anything. With that being said, all the value is going to the team instead of the ICN holders as they promised during the ICO. This is a problem. It is as if they took the money from one group, and built something to benefit another group, violating all the promises made to the first group during the process of raising money. That's what is concerning - not the product itself, but the use of the funds to benefit the investors who put the money to build the product in the first place. That's why everyone is so keen on the ICN utility, so that the ICO investors can see some of the benefits from the platform as well.

The dividends aspect is just one of dozens of issues.
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April 17, 2018, 10:54:08 AM
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@Vblossom please grow up nobody interested into your scam project and don't bother us by sharing this link into other topic. I reported to moderator to delete this post because you are promoting thew scam with stupid way.
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April 17, 2018, 06:31:39 PM
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They haven't changed anything but dividends to buybacks.

The 24 month moratorium hasn't passed yet so there was no vote yet...

They stated in a previous AMA that ICN token holders would be entitled to the money from all the Iconomi owned assets if it would come to a stop.

EDIT: Am I unhappy with their speed of development and ICN utility? For sure, but I still think that they are building up the foundations to make ICN holders very rich in the future and I am willing to wait.


If this is true, I'd like to propose a token holder vote to dissolve the company, and return all the assets that the company holds to the ICN tokenholders, before the team goes about enriching themselves from the company coffers. Do you think this would be possible? There's a reason ICN is trading below the liquidation value of assets held by this company.
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April 18, 2018, 08:05:18 AM
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Is it possible? No idea, but I would vote against that because they are actually progressing nicely although at a slower pace that I had hoped for.

As for the price being what it is, that is market determined. It will grow as they start marketing more heavily and give ICN more utility or if it stays low, they will just burn more ICN tokens which will ensure a bigger growth down the line.

They haven't changed anything but dividends to buybacks.

The 24 month moratorium hasn't passed yet so there was no vote yet...

They stated in a previous AMA that ICN token holders would be entitled to the money from all the Iconomi owned assets if it would come to a stop.

EDIT: Am I unhappy with their speed of development and ICN utility? For sure, but I still think that they are building up the foundations to make ICN holders very rich in the future and I am willing to wait.


If this is true, I'd like to propose a token holder vote to dissolve the company, and return all the assets that the company holds to the ICN tokenholders, before the team goes about enriching themselves from the company coffers. Do you think this would be possible? There's a reason ICN is trading below the liquidation value of assets held by this company.
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April 18, 2018, 09:26:31 AM
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Is it possible? No idea, but I would vote against that because they are actually progressing nicely although at a slower pace that I had hoped for.

As for the price being what it is, that is market determined. It will grow as they start marketing more heavily and give ICN more utility or if it stays low, they will just burn more ICN tokens which will ensure a bigger growth down the line.

They haven't changed anything but dividends to buybacks.

The 24 month moratorium hasn't passed yet so there was no vote yet...

They stated in a previous AMA that ICN token holders would be entitled to the money from all the Iconomi owned assets if it would come to a stop.

EDIT: Am I unhappy with their speed of development and ICN utility? For sure, but I still think that they are building up the foundations to make ICN holders very rich in the future and I am willing to wait.


If this is true, I'd like to propose a token holder vote to dissolve the company, and return all the assets that the company holds to the ICN tokenholders, before the team goes about enriching themselves from the company coffers. Do you think this would be possible? There's a reason ICN is trading below the liquidation value of assets held by this company.

I agree - compared to the vast majority of other project out there I think Iconomi is doing an outstanding job with their investment platform (their DAAs). They are very active and proactive, and things seem to be progressing nicely. This does not reflect in the price of ICN, but that has IMHO not much to do with the company behind it.

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April 18, 2018, 05:05:47 PM
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Is it possible? No idea, but I would vote against that because they are actually progressing nicely although at a slower pace that I had hoped for.

As for the price being what it is, that is market determined. It will grow as they start marketing more heavily and give ICN more utility or if it stays low, they will just burn more ICN tokens which will ensure a bigger growth down the line.

They haven't changed anything but dividends to buybacks.

The 24 month moratorium hasn't passed yet so there was no vote yet...

They stated in a previous AMA that ICN token holders would be entitled to the money from all the Iconomi owned assets if it would come to a stop.

EDIT: Am I unhappy with their speed of development and ICN utility? For sure, but I still think that they are building up the foundations to make ICN holders very rich in the future and I am willing to wait.


If this is true, I'd like to propose a token holder vote to dissolve the company, and return all the assets that the company holds to the ICN tokenholders, before the team goes about enriching themselves from the company coffers. Do you think this would be possible? There's a reason ICN is trading below the liquidation value of assets held by this company.

Sure, the price is market determined, but it they are trading under book value, and the ICN holders own the company and its assets according to their fundraising documents, then it's an easy win for the ICN tokenholders. You're getting a dollar for 30 cents, why would you say no? If you think the team can deliver still, then they are free to do another ICO with modified terms, and perhaps keep their promises the next time to that set of investors.
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April 18, 2018, 06:49:34 PM
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Iconomi is a digital assets management platform that aims to simplify investing in cryptocurrencies, ICOs etc.ICNX- is index of cryptocurrencies and reflects the whole market, assets are added to the index according to certain eligibility criteria.
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April 19, 2018, 02:24:20 PM
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ICN is one of the most successful ico in the world but after I noticed there is no price increase this year.
Do Developers plan something that will surprise investors ICN Huh
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April 19, 2018, 05:24:24 PM
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ICN is one of the most successful ico in the world but after I noticed there is no price increase this year.
Do Developers plan something that will surprise investors ICN Huh
Read the posts above. The problem isn't with creating the platform, but with that value being seen by the ICN holders.
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